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OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/18442/Vista_SP1_XP_SP3_Leaked Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:47:08 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Expectations http://osnews.com/thread?262701 http://osnews.com/thread?262701 It might be interesting on a technical level, but I'm worried that people will look at these and get excited over a feature that's better off delayed, or dismiss it because of a feature that's not yet included...

Nice that they're bringing recovery discs back. And curious that they're making bugfixes just to run with faulty hardware (KB938979 and the Canon EOS 1D series) -- I thought that they had decided to stop doing that to force hardware developers to get their testing done right the first time?

And changes to the Telnet client? Man, that hasn't been updated since Windows 3.1. I still remember years playing around in MUDs and MUCKs with that tiny but sufficient piece of software... Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Almafeta) Comments That means XP SP3 is a reality http://osnews.com/thread?262712 http://osnews.com/thread?262712 Most likely anyway.
That would be great, considering it is still the best supported Microsoft platform.

So, some more life to it.... Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (_mikk) Comments RE: Expectations http://osnews.com/thread?262719 http://osnews.com/thread?262719

It might be interesting on a technical level, but I'm worried that people will look at these and get excited over a feature that's better off delayed, or dismiss it because of a feature that's not yet included...

Maybe. I think the people whom would download these, even known about them, are techs like us. We're all smart enough to know this isn't final, it isn't even alpha or beta and a lot can change. Just look at Vista's big changes between releases (near the end anyway) and this is demonstrated well.

To be honest, I'm pretty happy this has happened, and hope that it was a deliberate move by Microsoft. My hope is that, and please excuse me if I seem naive on this point, that this may be the start of a trend by them to release work-in-progress builds like this to get a broader base of results and experiences. No matter how much internal testing they do, it doesn't compete with real world use.

Yes, I agree that a recovery disc tool is warmly welcomed. Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (flanque) Comments What is Vista? http://osnews.com/thread?262722 http://osnews.com/thread?262722 What on earth is Vista? Some OS platform? Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gemidjy) Comments RE: What is Vista? http://osnews.com/thread?262725 http://osnews.com/thread?262725 Considering your website has a link to a site which demotes Vista, I think you know. Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (flanque) Comments One thing is certain http://osnews.com/thread?262731 http://osnews.com/thread?262731 This beta release can't be worse than RTM. I hope it will be very soon released as official beta. Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Yogurth) Comments nfs client http://osnews.com/thread?262739 http://osnews.com/thread?262739 vista comes with a nfs client? thats news to me. Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (broken_symlink) Comments ..... http://osnews.com/thread?262744 http://osnews.com/thread?262744 Thank goodness,

plus this will be the end of that stupid joke Vista = XPSP3.Edited 2007-08-12 01:44 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (islander) Comments RE: nfs client http://osnews.com/thread?262747 http://osnews.com/thread?262747 Vista Ultimate includes a client (and possibly Business too, can't remember.) Windows Server 2008 will include the server component. Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (malxau) Comments RE[2]: nfs client http://osnews.com/thread?262751 http://osnews.com/thread?262751 Vista Ultimate and Vista Enterprise come with an optional install of what used to be known as "Services for Unix" which has a ton of things, NFS included. Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lazarus) Comments RE: ..... http://osnews.com/thread?262752 http://osnews.com/thread?262752 plus this will be the end of that stupid joke Vista = XPSP3.

Nah. It just means XPSP3 is really equal to XPSP2.5 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (abraxas) Comments This is normal... http://osnews.com/thread?262768 http://osnews.com/thread?262768 Microsoft products don't typically reach maturity until SP2, and by the time Vista gets to SP2 stage, the next Windows will be in beta, and no doubt the same hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth will occur as has happened with people contemplating the move from XP to Vista: "Oh no, Windows 7 is a load of crap, no way am I moving to that, I'm sticking to Vista" will echo the usual sentiments people come up with "Vista is crap, I'm sticking with XP" -> "XP is crap, I'm sticking with Windows '98" etc... People just don't like change, and seem to expect that new Operating systems won't have problems, or will run on outdated hardware. People also don't seem to realise that because Windows gets installed on such a stupendously large variety of machines with a vast number of possible hardware configurations, there is no way they can possibly test it completely. Early adopters are the "delta" testers as it were. If MS were like Apple, and had control over the hardware as well, then the number of problems and required service packs would be smaller.

I have no qualms about Vista per se - it will be a fine OS after a service pack or two. As for SP3 for XP, well better late than never I guess, but XP is already pretty mature, and doesn't really need that much attention. I really think it would be a waste of effort for MS to continue to support XP other than minor bug fixes and security patches. Focus on getting Vista up to speed instead.Edited 2007-08-12 06:35 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 06:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Obscurus) Comments I don't think so.... http://osnews.com/thread?262774 http://osnews.com/thread?262774 I cannot see them being "leaked". I actually think they are duff packs put together by spammers.

There is no official from Microsoft about XP SP3 and Vista SP1, to beta-testers, so a release is still months away, so I conclude this is akin to the original XP SP3 release that was doing the rounds about 18 months ago. Install that on your machines and you had an instant zombie on a bot-net.

I think these scumbags are doing the same thing, this time to circumvent the improved security of Vista, by getting uneducated users to download and install it.

What better way, than to have a "leaked" version that people do not have to buy......Edited 2007-08-12 08:00 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 07:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (raver31) Comments boring http://osnews.com/thread?262788 http://osnews.com/thread?262788 probably the most boring thing you could do on a weekend. Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bahadir) Comments RE[2]: Expectations http://osnews.com/thread?262792 http://osnews.com/thread?262792 > I think the people whom would download these, even
> known about them, are techs like us

It should be "who" not "whom". It is the subject of "would download", so it should be in the subject case. In fact, the only direct object in the sentence is "these". Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (siride) Comments RE: I don't think so.... http://osnews.com/thread?262807 http://osnews.com/thread?262807 While possible, I don't believe this is the case. While MS has preferred to remain quiet about SPs for now, there have been reports that the SPs were released to a select group of testers. These are likely members of the Technology Adoption Program (TAP), which mainly consists of larger OEMs/ODMs and other partner corporations, any of which could be responsible for leaks.

MS has also stated a few months ago in their joint status report to the DOJ that Vista and XP Service Packs would likely be released towards the end of the year (IIRC November), and detailed some of the forthcoming changes.

Since then, several references to Vista SP1 (and I believe XP SP3) have appeared in various MS materials, such as the Windows and DirectX SDKs. With Server 2008 basically done, it's not unusual that work on the SPs is underway, especially since the fixes and additions that will appear in the SPs and other updates are first made in the latest product in development (Server 2008), then backported to released platforms (Vista/XP). Vista's SP will probably be released first since there are more commonalities in its codebase and Server 2008s. Though they may hold it for a simultaneous release. I think in the status report, they stated XP SP3 would be released later (early next year), but don't take that as definite. Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (n4cer) Comments Nlite, For those who can't wait... http://osnews.com/thread?262824 http://osnews.com/thread?262824 I've used it to make Windows 2000 slipstreams, but it make XP slipstreams as well.
http://www.nliteos.com/

Whether or not MS leaked their own stuff is a mute point; they have this thing for testing things--it's called a beta version : )

...Or alpha, if you prefer.Edited 2007-08-12 18:37 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BrendaEM) Comments which would be more popular XPsp3 or VISTAsp1? http://osnews.com/thread?262845 http://osnews.com/thread?262845 Maybe this is a popularity test. I vote for XP over Vista, BTW. (Although I'd dump either of them if something better became readily available and well supported. I do have a Linux dual-boot on my desktop system, after all.) Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SamuraiCrow) Comments RE: I don't think so.... http://osnews.com/thread?262921 http://osnews.com/thread?262921 "What better way, than to have a "leaked" version that people do not have to buy...... "

People wouldn't have to buy them anyway, they are service packs, and will be available for free when officially made availabale Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BluenoseJake) Comments RE: which would be more popular XPsp3 or VISTAsp1? http://osnews.com/thread?262923 http://osnews.com/thread?262923 Me, I prefer Vista Ultimate 64 over XP, as there are a range of nice improvements, and the bugs will be ironed out before long. I would likewise dump either of them if something better pops up - I have no brand loyalty, and I will use whatever OS runs my apps in the least painful way, and doesn't get in the way of me doing what I want.

I really like Ubuntu, but I can't stand centralised package management when it comes to third party apps (by that I mean packages that aren't central to the OS itself), nor do I particularly like having to edit text files to be able to use my display at native resolution.

I really like the way OS X handles application installation, but I hate the GUI and I prefer to build my own machines from the ground up (more because I just like assembling things than for any sound technical reason).

SkyOS looks great, but it is pie in the sky until it is officially released.

I don't mind Windows - XP has served me well for several years, and I really like the Vista GUI, and the new audio API will be a wonderful thing for musicians like me when it takes off. I just wish that MS would take backwards compatibility a little less seriously, and tame the wilderness that is the Windows userland. Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Obscurus) Comments Vista SP1, XP SP3 Leaked... http://osnews.com/thread?262955 http://osnews.com/thread?262955 ... all over the floor. Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hhcv) Comments RE[3]: nfs client http://osnews.com/thread?263048 http://osnews.com/thread?263048 Unfortunately when I went to test it on my (legitimate) Ultimate install, the only indication I could find that it was even installed was in the event log where I found errors along the lines of "NFS client is not licensed for this version of Windows". Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mallard) Comments