OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/18514/10_Year_Anniversary_Blast_from_the_Past Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:06:44 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com CNet and Predictions http://osnews.com/thread?265976 http://osnews.com/thread?265976 "C/net is exposing the future Betamaxes and 8 track tapes of the technology world in a column entitled "10 Technologies that Don't Stand a Chance." Judge for yourself. BTW, one of those doomed technologies is Java."

Some things never change, like CNet's predictions. ;) Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (linumax) Comments Wow, that's fast! http://osnews.com/thread?265979 http://osnews.com/thread?265979 "Macosrumors is also reporting that according to Motorola, the Power PC architecture has a lot of potential. How much? How about one gigahertz (1,000 MHz). (!)"

Blazing! Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fignew) Comments Sigh http://osnews.com/thread?265980 http://osnews.com/thread?265980 From September 29th:

And you thought Mac users were die hards . . . Amiga users are hopeful since Gateway purchased the pioneering Amiga OS.


Here we are ten years later... still waiting. In retrospect, Gateway was apparently the only serious candidate, and even they weren't serious about it. When they found out what Jim Collas had in mind, that was the end of that. Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jack_perry) Comments Congratulations are in order ... http://osnews.com/thread?265981 http://osnews.com/thread?265981 Three websites had their acts in order, and managed to maintain URLs for nearly 10 years:

C|Net (2 of 3)
AppleInsider (1 of 1)
StepWise (1 of 1)

Other than that, the web is like a virtual Library of Alexandria. It has all these tantilizing hints as to the volumes of information that it once contained, but which were destroyed by the savage hoards (website admins). Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MacTO) Comments stagnation http://osnews.com/thread?265982 http://osnews.com/thread?265982 while there's been a lot of exciting developments in the last ten years, I'm still surprised to see how stagnant the industry has been. The same key players are there, the Amiga and OS/2 stories are similar to what we see here these days.

Has the industry matured, or is it being held back? Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (richmassena) Comments RE: CNet and Predictions http://osnews.com/thread?265983 http://osnews.com/thread?265983 Beta tapes are still around for pro use: Betacam, Betacam SP, Digital Betacam. So what if Betamax is dead? Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Johann Chua) Comments RE: Congratulations are in order ... http://osnews.com/thread?265984 http://osnews.com/thread?265984 The Way Back Machine is your friend... Just prefix http://web.archive.org/web/*/ to any of the dead links there, and (hopefully) you'll get to see the content. Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pablo_marx) Comments dead links http://osnews.com/thread?265988 http://osnews.com/thread?265988 seeing all these dead links, makes me feel bad - we ARE loosing our history on the web, aren't we? Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (superstoned) Comments RE: stagnation http://osnews.com/thread?265990 http://osnews.com/thread?265990 It has been held back for sure. And every economist can tell you why. Monopolies tend to do that... Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (superstoned) Comments Great minds think alike http://osnews.com/thread?265991 http://osnews.com/thread?265991 In 1997 -
The Computer My Mom Needs
By Joanne Rodgers
http://www.osnews.com/1997osnews/oped/11.97/mom.html

In 2007 -
The Return Of The 8 Bits?
By Michael Reed
http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17723/The-Return-Of-The-8-Bits

Great minds think alike. Mine just works much, much more slowly than hers ;-) Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rhyder) Comments RE[2]: CNet and Predictions http://osnews.com/thread?265993 http://osnews.com/thread?265993 I loved the quality of Betamax tapes in comparison to VHS and S-VHS.

Nowadays however, they will not make me fall into the trap of buying 2 standards... HD-DVD or BluRay ? pffff

keep them, my dvd/divx player is good enough for me. Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (raver31) Comments RE[2]: Congratulations are in order ... http://osnews.com/thread?265994 http://osnews.com/thread?265994 From the link above for the Internet Archive Wayback Machine..

Data Retrieval Failure.

We're sorry. We were unable to retrieve the requested data. We may be experiencing technical difficulties and suggest that you try again later.
See the FAQs for more info and help, or contact us.

Priceless Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (raver31) Comments hahaha http://osnews.com/thread?265998 http://osnews.com/thread?265998 java a doomed technology, now look at it, good work osnews people. Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (liamdawe) Comments RE[3]: Congratulations are in order ... http://osnews.com/thread?265999 http://osnews.com/thread?265999 Also, do bear in mind that there is no backup of the Internet Archive. This is a basement run project using entirely legacy hardware. If a hard disk dies, that's a whole chunk of Internet history lost right there. Scary when you think about it. Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments RE[3]: CNet and Predictions http://osnews.com/thread?266003 http://osnews.com/thread?266003 I want to get The Wings of Honneamise on DVD.

Unfortunately, the upcoming re-release from Bandai Visual USA only bundles the DVD with the Blu-ray and HD-DVD editions, not as a stand-alone. That and using Japanese price levels ($80) for the U.S. market makes me a bit leary, not to mention the cost of an HD player. Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Johann Chua) Comments RE[4]: Congratulations are in order ... http://osnews.com/thread?266007 http://osnews.com/thread?266007 My god. This makes me think.

However, Wikipedia reports that "It is a member of the American Library Association and is officially recognized by the State of California as a library." -doesn't it mean it has some funding?Edited 2007-08-27 10:03 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (devurandom) Comments RE[4]: Congratulations are in order ... http://osnews.com/thread?266009 http://osnews.com/thread?266009 Also, do bear in mind that there is no backup of the Internet Archive. This is a basement run project using entirely legacy hardware. If a hard disk dies, that's a whole chunk of Internet history lost right there. Scary when you think about it.

That is the reason mirror sites exists Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Fransexy) Comments RE: stagnation http://osnews.com/thread?266011 http://osnews.com/thread?266011 while there's been a lot of exciting developments in the last ten years, I'm still surprised to see how stagnant the industry has been. The same key players are there, the Amiga stories are similar to what we see here these days.

The Amiga seems it has been trapped in a time loop.It´s all the time the same history again and again with different players.The Amiga universe collapsed in a black hole? Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Fransexy) Comments ...... http://osnews.com/thread?266015 http://osnews.com/thread?266015 If thats the original intro page @ link then me likes. Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (islander) Comments RE[4]: Congratulations are in order ... http://osnews.com/thread?266021 http://osnews.com/thread?266021 This is a basement run project using entirely legacy hardware. If a hard disk dies, that's a whole chunk of Internet history lost right there. Scary when you think about it.

I don't see how scary it is to lose crappy HTML pages from 1997. If the hard disk died most people would never know. It would be as eventful as a blade of grass dieing on a prairie. ;-) Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (buff) Comments xmms... http://osnews.com/thread?266022 http://osnews.com/thread?266022 pity xmms couldn't stick around lol Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pllb) Comments RE[5]: Congratulations are in order ... http://osnews.com/thread?266023 http://osnews.com/thread?266023 Web development has evolved over the years, as has technology, but it would be a mistake to let 'old things' that are 'crap' be destroyed because we have newer things now. Should we demolish the great wall of china, the pyramids of Egypt and the Parthenon of Greece? I think not. Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mini-me) Comments RE[5]: Are there mirrors? http://osnews.com/thread?266029 http://osnews.com/thread?266029 There are mirrors for the wayback machine?? COuld you front us some links to those or were you just being sarcastic?

--bornagainpenguin Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bornagainenguin) Comments Google ads http://osnews.com/thread?266031 http://osnews.com/thread?266031 Wow, they had Google ad sense back in 1997! Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (adinas) Comments RE: Google ads http://osnews.com/thread?266034 http://osnews.com/thread?266034 Welcome to the new web, same as the old web. Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments RE: xmms... http://osnews.com/thread?266035 http://osnews.com/thread?266035 You want to take a peek at Audacious.
http://audacious-media-player.org/
Audacious is a fork of Beep Media Player, which itself was a fork of XMMS. Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Constantine XVI) Comments RE: Wow, that's fast! (not too much progress) http://osnews.com/thread?266036 http://osnews.com/thread?266036 What was the upper level speed of the Motorola chip on the consumer market before Apple went to Intel? Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (libray) Comments 1997-2007 http://osnews.com/thread?266041 http://osnews.com/thread?266041 Amiga lives.
OS/2 lives.
BeOS rules.
Linux is ready for the desktop.
Windows sucks.

It's incredible how that 1997 looks like this 2007. Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (biffuz) Comments RE: CNet and Predictions http://osnews.com/thread?266063 http://osnews.com/thread?266063 A quick look at the internet archive shows that they predicted the following technologies would fail:

1) Push content
2) ISDN
3) 56k modems
4) Internet phones
5) NetPC
6) Spam-blocking software
7) PDAs
8) PC TV
9) Java

Interestingly enough, most of these really didn't fail, but morphed into a slightly different, but ultimately successful technology.

- Push content: Morphed into RSS feeds and RSS aggregators.
- 56k modems: Substantial broadband penetration took a long time; 56k modems certainly had they heyday.
- Internet phones: VOIP anyone? Vonage, etc?
- Spam-blocking software: It's integrated into everything now.
- PDAs: The "PDA" market proper is waning, but I don't think smartphones and the iPhone are fundamentally different devices
- PC TV: Interestingly enough, all three major US networks have many of their TV shows available via streaming on their websites; of course, torrenting TV shows is huge too
- Java: Never succeeded properly in client space, but absolutely took over server space, which no one saw coming Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rayiner) Comments Op-ed Roffle http://osnews.com/thread?266135 http://osnews.com/thread?266135 "Ending Mac OS licensing has many Apple fanatics up in arms, but the Mac's days are numbered. Like it or not, the most compelling technologies in Apple's future are a modern operating system mated to cheap, easy to configure Network Computers."

Yay! Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gypsumfantastic) Comments RE: Google ads http://osnews.com/thread?266208 http://osnews.com/thread?266208 Actually, the pages were querying a now-defunct ad network called "spinbox." One search and replace later, Google ads! Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (David) Comments RE[5]: Congratulations are in order ... http://osnews.com/thread?266211 http://osnews.com/thread?266211 That's probably what the layperson said when the Library of Alexandria burned down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_alexandria

Now, mind you, there is doubtlessly plenty of crap in those internet archives, but I think it rather rash of you to declare that it's all junk just because most people won't take the time to sift through it. Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Moochman) Comments some wayback links to the stories http://osnews.com/thread?266784 http://osnews.com/thread?266784 10 Technologies that Don't Stand a Chance.
http://web.archive.org/web/19990224185426/www.cnet.com/Content/Feat...

Ralph Nader & The Microsft Menace
http://www.slate.com/Features/NaderMS/NaderMS.asp" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/19971210223956/http://www.slate.com/Feat...

MacWeek on Rhapsody
http://web.archive.org/web/19990219165533/macweek.zdnet.com/mw_1142... Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (KLU9) Comments some more wayback links http://osnews.com/thread?266790 http://osnews.com/thread?266790 What's an OS? IE-Windows integration - Wired
http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/7933.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/19990220011903/http://www.wired.com/news...

Omega's COS: a rival Mac OS - MacWeek
http://web.archive.org/web/19990428114115/macweek.zdnet.com/mw_1141...

Amiga Lives! Purchased by Gateway - ZDnet
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/zdnn/0926/zdnn0014.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/19990116232124/http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn... Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (KLU9) Comments yet more http://osnews.com/thread?266793 http://osnews.com/thread?266793 Ellison's Network Computer Crashes & Burns
http://www.currents.net/newstoday/97/09/25/news1.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/19971211215337/http://www.currents.net/n...

The BeOS Newsletter of 19th Sept. 1997
http://www.be.com/aboutbe/benewsletter/Issue91.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/19971022021704/http://www.be.com/aboutbe... Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (KLU9) Comments