OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/18558/Fedora_Includes_Sun_OpenJDK_GNU_Classpath_Fusion_IcedTea Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:45:34 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com hmmm http://osnews.com/thread?268272 http://osnews.com/thread?268272 maybe this is just me being ignorant of the situation but, didnt sun open source there java run time environment? and if so why not simply include that instead of a hybid merger with classpath? why settle for an imposter when you can have the real thing? (nohting against classpath) Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (poundsmack) Comments RE: hmmm http://osnews.com/thread?268274 http://osnews.com/thread?268274 Too ignorant to actually read the article, at least... even the summary of the article states the reason this is necessary... "provides replacements for the non-free binary plugs"... Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lunitik) Comments RE: hmmm http://osnews.com/thread?268275 http://osnews.com/thread?268275
maybe this is just me being ignorant of the situation but, didnt sun open source there java run time environment? and if so why not simply include that instead of a hybid merger with classpath? why settle for an imposter when you can have the real thing? (nohting against classpath)


Because as the news snippet states, there are some portions that are binary only. Sun was only able to open the source for the portions that they had the rights to do so. Some parts (such as Java2D, and font rasterisation) were under 3rd party licenses. Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (binarycrusader) Comments RE[2]: hmmm http://osnews.com/thread?268292 http://osnews.com/thread?268292 my appologies, i admitidly glanced over it without reading that point. disregaurd my first post. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (poundsmack) Comments RE[2]: hmmm http://osnews.com/thread?268309 http://osnews.com/thread?268309
Because as the news snippet states, there are some portions that are binary only. Sun was only able to open the source for the portions that they had the rights to do so. Some parts (such as Java2D, and font rasterisation) were under 3rd party licenses.


I'd assume such things could be accomplished using things like Cairo/Freetype to plugin some of the gaps? Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE[3]: hmmm http://osnews.com/thread?268316 http://osnews.com/thread?268316 Yes, and that is exactly what some people are doing right now. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (binarycrusader) Comments other distros http://osnews.com/thread?268317 http://osnews.com/thread?268317 been in Mandriva Cooker since June 30th. Ubuntu announced it last week, dunno how long it's been in there. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (AdamW) Comments Status update http://osnews.com/thread?268343 http://osnews.com/thread?268343 It would be nice if there was some sort of roadmap or status reports, so that we could see exactly what is going on with IcedTea and what still needs to be done. I probably just don't know where to look. Right now all I know about it is the one sentence explanation of what it is, but nothing specific.

Hmm, this page seems to say that Fedora 8 will include it as the default java program and that it is superior to the current gcj already.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IcedTea Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (smitty) Comments RE: Status update http://osnews.com/thread?268350 http://osnews.com/thread?268350 http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/Main_Page Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (evangs) Comments RE[2]: Status update http://osnews.com/thread?268352 http://osnews.com/thread?268352 Yes, I saw that but it doesn't seem to do much except tell you how to get the sources and build it. I don't really want to read through the mailing list.

Just noticed the FAQ, it says javascript and snmp are stubbed and not going to be fixed anytime soon, sound was supposed to be done by the end of August, and pretty much everything else is complete? But maybe buggy... Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (smitty) Comments RE: other distros http://osnews.com/thread?268356 http://osnews.com/thread?268356 Iced Tea was created by Red Hat which was developed in Fedora 7 and Fedora 7 packages were available within a few days though other distributions might have packaged it in their development repository earlier. That would be less work than bootstrapping the code.

Since Iced Tea was not available for PPC architecture and Fedora is about to expand it's architecture support in the next release, there were some concerns about how that would pan out and the current decision is to continue using gcj in those architectures.

Perhaps the more important news here is about TCK compatibility. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Rahul) Comments RE[4]: hmmm http://osnews.com/thread?268442 http://osnews.com/thread?268442 Java2D folks had already integrated Freetype (via
a pluggable interface, so Sun's JRE can continue
using the proprietary T2K rasterizer, and openjdk-based
can plug-in freetype):

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.openjdk.build.devel/92

The graphics rasterizer will take longer to replace,
unfortunately.
(Cairo is not exactly a drop-in replacement, although
freetype wasn't either) In fact, we're looking at
other rasterizers.

Dmitri Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (trembovetski) Comments For Gentoo users... http://osnews.com/thread?268448 http://osnews.com/thread?268448 Here is a guide to get IcedTea up and running on Gentoo.

http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-java/msg_02270.xml Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (abraxas) Comments RE: hmmm http://osnews.com/thread?268453 http://osnews.com/thread?268453 Yes, Sun opensource Java just when opensource alternatives where starting to become usable.

You can't blame the guys that started all those alternatives for not wanting to kill their projects. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (diegocg) Comments RE[2]: other distros http://osnews.com/thread?268462 http://osnews.com/thread?268462 yep, wasn't intending it as competition, just extra information. Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (AdamW) Comments