OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/18568/Review_Nokia_6120_Classic Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:32:29 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Nice http://osnews.com/thread?268603 http://osnews.com/thread?268603 Nice pics!!! O_o Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dopp0) Comments Question about another phone.. http://osnews.com/thread?268646 http://osnews.com/thread?268646 Nice review!
This is OT, but I have to ask, since Eugenia seems an expert on phones ;) :

What do you think of the SE K610i?
Last week, I saw it for sale with a SIM card that had 3,129 minutes for free, for a bit less than $200.
I did some research on it, and it has most features I use, a good web browser (Netfront 3.3, is it actually any good?) and higher Java performance than the 6120, according to JBenchmark (except for the 3D, 6120 is a bit higher here), which is good since I like playing some games on my phone every now and then ;)
I'm asking this, because the last phone I bought had lots of problems even though I researched it.

And how do you think the K610i compares to the 6120?
Does the difference in functionality between them justify the price?

Thanks.Edited 2007-09-05 00:10 UTC Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Extreme Coder) Comments Outlook '07 sync? http://osnews.com/thread?268651 http://osnews.com/thread?268651 I'm not terribly familiar with Symbian phones: does the phone's Calendar application sync events/tasks/etc with Outlook '07, and if so, what sort of desktop sync software is used? Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Super King) Comments This Is A Nice Gadget! http://osnews.com/thread?268657 http://osnews.com/thread?268657 The specs & features are impressive and the price is very attractive.

I have an HTC Wizard (Cingular/AT&T 8125) and even though it has a larger screen & does WIFI, it doesn't have 3G. This Nokia 6120 smartphone may have a smaller screen and no WIFI, but DOES have 3G capability.

The price, 3G capability & other features would seem to put it as a good contender, IMO.

I have to say that the pics in the review looked pretty darn clear & nice.

Though the review may be considered Off-Topic, it's nice to see some variety regarding other aspects of technology, including little gadgets. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Pelly) Comments RE: Question about another phone.. http://osnews.com/thread?268666 http://osnews.com/thread?268666 I don't see anywhere the K610. I see the W610 and Z610, but I can't find anything about the K one.

Edit: I found it. So, it's not as powerful as the Nokia one. It has a lower-res screen, and it's not a smartphone.Edited 2007-09-05 01:14 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE: Outlook '07 sync? http://osnews.com/thread?268667 http://osnews.com/thread?268667 Yes. You install the Nokia Suite and then it goes through it. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE: This Is A Nice Gadget! http://osnews.com/thread?268668 http://osnews.com/thread?268668 > The price, 3G capability & other features would seem to put it as a good contender, IMO.

I think it's one of the best current Nokia sellers.

>Though the review may be considered Off-Topic

It ain't. ;)
OSNews is a generic tech site, not just OS news. It's written in the mission statement. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments Quality http://osnews.com/thread?268755 http://osnews.com/thread?268755 I waited for this phone to appear for months, I really wanted to buy it for myself as a birthday present.

But in the last few weeks quite a few people are complaining about it, the keys on the keyboard get loose somehow, the battery cover get loose, the phone heats up when you talk for a while, quite a few of the phones have died in the first few weeks for no reason, and it has a high SAR value for a modern phone.

So now I don't really know it it is such a good phone, I think I'll just wait a while longer to see what happens.

Cheers Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (toxonics) Comments RE: Quality http://osnews.com/thread?268757 http://osnews.com/thread?268757 Mine still works... Also, the build quality is better than N95's in my opinion. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments HSDPA http://osnews.com/thread?268762 http://osnews.com/thread?268762 I can not comment about the US versions, but the european version does HSDPA, so it is a very nice phone to use for data as well... Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pistooli) Comments RE[2]: Quality http://osnews.com/thread?268763 http://osnews.com/thread?268763 Ok would you mind if were to annoy you with an email in a couple of weeks to ask if you still like it then ;) Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (toxonics) Comments RE[3]: Quality http://osnews.com/thread?268768 http://osnews.com/thread?268768 I will likely not be using it in two weeks time. After I finish my reviews I don't usually re-use these phones, I just package them back and put them in my lab's closet. So, your best bet would be to ask the users at my-symbian.com Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[2]: This Is A Nice Gadget! http://osnews.com/thread?268801 http://osnews.com/thread?268801 Phones run on/rely on OSes too! Wed, 05 Sep 2007 10:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ThawkTH) Comments RE[2]: Outlook '07 sync? http://osnews.com/thread?268826 http://osnews.com/thread?268826 I've only had basic Nokia bricks. Is there any Linux support for syncing Symbian phones? Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Johann Chua) Comments Re: Symbian/S60 http://osnews.com/thread?268844 http://osnews.com/thread?268844 About Symbian, how "hacker-friendly" is Symbian? I've been looking for a phone that I can write my own software for easily, and being held back by the software as little as possible (ie: not iPhone). Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Constantine XVI) Comments This phone is impressive http://osnews.com/thread?268846 http://osnews.com/thread?268846 I have been using this phone for more than a month. Very impressive. The camera is a bit below average, but everything else is nearly perfect. Slim, fast, HSDPA is real fast, voice quality is top-notch, screen is beautiful, and it is stable, no hangs/reboots/whatever.

The only problem is that when I play H264/AAC movies on it at higher frame rates (25fps), it skips. At 20 or 15 fps, it is OK. Somebody on the net says this is because the phone, unlike N73, does not do hardware AAC decoding. I don't know if this is real. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SmallPotato) Comments UMTS clarrification http://osnews.com/thread?268872 http://osnews.com/thread?268872 T-Mobile does not have (and probably won't have) UMTS on 1900. Their UMTS is going to be on 1700

at&t UMTS operates on 1900 and 850 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mini-me) Comments Seems like a good phone http://osnews.com/thread?268875 http://osnews.com/thread?268875 I like the fact that it's fast and small and has some handy features, but come on! When is Nokia going to hire a decent designer. Almost all their phones look like crap. Samsung, LG and Motorola wipe the floor with them when it comes to design. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pandronic) Comments RE[3]: Outlook '07 sync? http://osnews.com/thread?268886 http://osnews.com/thread?268886 I have recently got Nokia E50 (with Symbian S60v3) and after some fiddling I've got it to sync with Evolution via Bluetooth thanks to this howto (for Ubuntu) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=260676 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (miscz) Comments RE: Re: Symbian/S60 http://osnews.com/thread?268890 http://osnews.com/thread?268890 To run your own homebrew software you have to get certified or your phone will refuse to run them. There's also Python for S60, see http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/index.html Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (miscz) Comments RE[2]: Re: Symbian/S60 http://osnews.com/thread?268893 http://osnews.com/thread?268893
To run your own homebrew software you have to get certified or your phone will refuse to run them.


You don't need certification unless your program wants to mess with system files. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (_LH_) Comments RE: Re: Symbian/S60 http://osnews.com/thread?268898 http://osnews.com/thread?268898
About Symbian, how "hacker-friendly" is Symbian? I've been looking for a phone that I can write my own software for easily, and being held back by the software as little as possible (ie: not iPhone).


Get. An. iPhone.

The hacking-unfriendliness of the iPhone is completely overrated. If you actually intend to do *any* kind of hacking, you'll have to get your hands dirty anyway.

The Symbian development tools suck. No half-words. Carbide is just ridiculous. CodeWarrior will set you back a considerable amount of cash. Visual Studio plus Symbian SDK is OK, almost decent, but still not decent. But that's on a IDE level. API-level, you've got to be kidding me by not going iPhone. Look at what the guys already accomplished by using AJAX. Look at what the guys already accomplished by not using AJAX and going straight to the jailbreak/UIKit process.

Not to mention how Nokia always ships a couple of revisions behind SymbianOS, and only recently SymbianOS began supporting memory paging (which, I suspect, is the reason why Eugenia didn't run out of RAM when browsing sites that usually put the S60 browser to shame). And Nokia *never*, ever, released a new OS to use on an "older" phone. I, a Nokia E70 owner, am stuck with a broken 3.0 firmware, and that's because I forced my phone to report being of a different region that it actually is. And yes, I'm putting up with the crazied keyboard layout, because the 2.0 firmware is unbearable.

Consider that Apple isn't focusing on an entire line of phones; only the iPhone (and I hope that this won't change in today's announcement; but we'll know what happens in the next 3h). Whatever Apple does, I won't change my stance: programming using the Cocoa APIs is incomparable to S60/UIQ/Symbian in general. The Symbian Signed stuff sucks to untold extremes. Homebrew has been extremely limited by it, and lo and behold, it hasn't prevented any kind of cracking at all -- not even limited it! --, because almost every vendor is locked to the same lowest common denominator of plain "self-signed dev certificates". Which defeats the whole purpose.

Symbian's trusted levels are all about media DRM, which completely failed to materialise. There's the occasional rambling on Nokia music stores, but has anyone ever cared about it at all?

And we already have Apple committed to releasing real software improvements in a timely fashion. They even changed their usual accounting process to deal with this. Apple-blessed native software development is only a matter of time now, as the demand is clearly there and Apple hasn't risen from the ashes by not listening to their customers and developers. They even softened their position regarding un-supporting Carbon64 after a number of developers expressed their concerns.


IMH, but first-hand opinion, your safest bet is anything but Symbian-related stuff. Go Windows Mobile if you will, but not Symbian. And I strongly suggest you to go iPhone, money permitting. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (meianoite) Comments RE[3]: Re: Symbian/S60 http://osnews.com/thread?268902 http://osnews.com/thread?268902
You don't need certification unless your program wants to mess with system files.


Not true, or at best a half-truth.

There are four scenarios concerning access to capabilities: no grant required, the user grants them, the DevCert grants access to sensitive capabilities or phone manufacturer approval is required. Sony Ericsson is only involved in the last two scenarios which both follow similar processes:

* Sensitive capabilities
To develop applications that require an ACS Publisher ID for a DevCert to be issued, covering both the 'basic' and 'extended' capability domains as defined by Symbian. Refer to the UIQ 3 SDK documentation for a complete breakdown or visit the Symbian Signed website for more information>>
* Phone manufacturer approved capabilities
To be able to access any of the restricted Sony Ericsson controlled APIs, for stated business reasons, you need to go through a review process due to the sensitive nature of these capabilities.


To see the rest, go to
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/gotomarket/certificat...
or the corresponding Nokia / SymbianSigned sites. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (meianoite) Comments RE[4]: Outlook '07 sync? http://osnews.com/thread?269070 http://osnews.com/thread?269070 Thanks. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Johann Chua) Comments RE[2]: Outlook '07 sync? http://osnews.com/thread?269332 http://osnews.com/thread?269332 Why not use Mail4Exchange ? It's available in the Software Catalog on the phone for free. Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (agentj) Comments Freeware for 6120 http://osnews.com/thread?269768 http://osnews.com/thread?269768 Some freeware for this phone http://symbiancorner.blogspot.com Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (william_j) Comments Wondershare Zune Video Suite http://osnews.com/thread?270935 http://osnews.com/thread?270935 Fully support dual core CPU, Wondershare Zune Video Suite provides fast conversion speed, far beyond your imagination. Powerful video edit functions let you enjoy movies on Zune freely.

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