OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/18631/Trolltech_Announces_GPL_Version_of_Qtopia_Phone_Edition Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:39:40 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Limitations? http://www.osnews.com/thread?272203 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272203 The stock OpenMoko software which ships with the Neo1973 is very incomplete and pretty much useless, so you cannot use the Neo1973 as a day-to-day phone with that software according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview.

Now that we have Qtopia on the Neo1973, does that mean the Neo1973 is a useful phone and I can use it in the real world? Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pgquiles) Comments RE: Limitations? http://www.osnews.com/thread?272211 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272211 I was about to ask the same question ;) Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (capricorn_tm) Comments RE: Limitations? http://www.osnews.com/thread?272218 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272218 Just tried calling and being called as well as sending/receiving SMS - it works!!! MMS currently only via HTTP (which is not that widely supported), unless you compile Qtopia with a 3rd party WAP stack. Didn't try browsing/VoIP yet, but they should work.

Playing asteroids with touch only is tough, though ;) Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (harryF) Comments I'd rather http://www.osnews.com/thread?272222 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272222 see Haiku ported to those, but I'm biased.
It's still great to see Free Software for those devices, as they usually don't ship with WinCE CDs, so it's harder get it refund as it's less evident it's a linked-sale... Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mmu_man) Comments Wow. Big news. http://www.osnews.com/thread?272223 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272223 If that's gonna be picked up by the community it's going to be big news for all of people considering neo purchase.
With all the respect to mobile gnome, qtopia is way more mature.
For trolltech it's also a very smart move (unless they planned to seriousely profit their reference which would be really silly). Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dsmogor) Comments RE: Wow. Big news. http://www.osnews.com/thread?272228 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272228 Trolltech was selling the Greenphone at cost, they were not making a cent on it. Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pgquiles) Comments Establishing Qt / Qtopia http://www.osnews.com/thread?272236 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272236 Smart move by TT. They are trying to establish Qtopia as a standard on mobile phones and this is a move in that direction. They have the technology; now they need people to start using it. Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Gorgak) Comments I'm excited http://www.osnews.com/thread?272245 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272245 This is good news. Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JPisini) Comments Is Qtopia a full distro? http://www.osnews.com/thread?272248 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272248 Does running Qtopia on Neo1973 mean replacing OpenMoko, or can they live side by side?

Since both are open source, I realize that anybody could take the two and make them one. The question is rather if they, out of the box, run on a common embedded Linux distribution. Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bogomipz) Comments We have choice now! http://www.osnews.com/thread?272249 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272249 One of the exciting things of open source is that we always have choices! With open sourced qtopia PE, I can choose what to run in my neo. Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rockmen1) Comments Great, but... http://www.osnews.com/thread?272257 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272257 I like the fact that things are moving for linux in the mobile arena, but they keep saying they are for developers only...


I wonder how far away the day is when the geeks like me who aren't developers per se (though I do know some rudimentary Ruby through self teaching...)will be able to play with it as well and get to have some fun...

Until then, I guess I will just enjoy the pictures of the cool looking little phones... Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hibridmatthias) Comments RE: Great, but... http://www.osnews.com/thread?272264 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272264
I wonder how far away the day is when the geeks like me who aren't developers per se


So far it looks like this day will be Chrismas: (see "Phase 2")
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (anda_skoa) Comments Nice Phone http://www.osnews.com/thread?272270 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272270 This phone is actually shaping up nicely, with the Trolltech PE it could actually turn into a very usable device, fairly quickly. Only thing its missing in GPS. $450 is a bit steep for this type of device though, I hope they don't price themselves out of the market like the Palm Folio did. You need market penetration before you can charge a premium, and at $450 this is premium pricing.Edited 2007-09-18 15:02 Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (HeLfReZ) Comments RE: Nice Phone http://www.osnews.com/thread?272272 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272272 Every phone you buy from a cell carrier is subsidized by the carrier and/or the device maker. (the phones are just razor handles to them ;) ) So you won't get that discount if you buy a third party device. Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Luminair) Comments Screenshots http://www.osnews.com/thread?272274 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272274 I think on this side are some screenshots:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973

Do anybody know of other screenshots?

What I don't like on OpenMoko is, that all feels big and fat. (The icons and so on there)

It seems that the clock of Qtopia have slim hands. But the rest feels fat. Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (theuserbl) Comments Nice PREMIUM Phone http://www.osnews.com/thread?272275 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272275 I can't think of anything more premium at the moment than a completely open cellphone platform. Its a nice looking touchscreen phone too. I am willing to pay extra for a phone that is just UNLOCKED, so its not a leash for the often unscrupulous phone companies to control me. A phone that I could choose my own applications and content is a dream come true. The last link to mobile freedom would be the open spectrum Google was pushing for earlier this year. The freedom to REALLY choose a provider, or even BECOME a small time service provider. That would change the Rules of the game. Mobile companies would then begin to have to compete for customers, instead of simply luring them into contracts that are not in the customers interests.Edited 2007-09-18 15:46 Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (daddio) Comments Additional Screenshots of Qtopia on other phones http://www.osnews.com/thread?272276 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272276 Here are other screenshots of Qtopia on other phones.
There it looks not so fat:

http://www.botch.com/~mpilone/projects/tipper/images/snapshot1.png
http://www.lucid-cake.net/osx_qpe/index_en.html
http://www.futurebytes.ch/world-of-mobilephone/qtopia-greenphone-li...
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8030785497.html
http://www.wide-eye.de/pda_sl5500.htm Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (theuserbl) Comments ... and two videos of Qtopia on OpenMoko http://www.osnews.com/thread?272278 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272278 Here the youtube videos, where Qtopia on OpenMoko is shown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5q8SpY7t4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOG_mtSEMgs Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (theuserbl) Comments Other phones http://www.osnews.com/thread?272281 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272281 Is it possible to use Linux+Qtopia on regular phones like Nokia (given that it has ARM9 processor and enough RAM)? Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (miscz) Comments Hiev http://www.osnews.com/thread?272283 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272283 Damn good news. Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Hiev) Comments RE: Nice Phone http://www.osnews.com/thread?272292 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272292
Only thing its missing in GPS


It does have GPS. From http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS
"he AGPS chip in the Neo1973 is called Hammerhead, and it is the same chip used in TomTom one devices..." Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (anda_skoa) Comments RE: Other phones http://www.osnews.com/thread?272486 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272486 It sure is - once you re-engineer the flashing process and the proprietary protocols :/ Qtopia has a plugin architecture. When porting to a new board, usually no changes to Qtopia are required, just a new device profile. Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (harryF) Comments RE: Additional Screenshots of Qtopia on other phones http://www.osnews.com/thread?272777 http://www.osnews.com/thread?272777 > Here are other screenshots of Qtopia on other phones.

Those are mostly not phones, those are Qtopia running on the SL5500 PDA. The version of Qtopia on PDA is not the same as the version that morphed in to Greenphone. Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (memson) Comments