OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/18729/Leopard_Estimated_to_Ship_Last_Weekend_of_October Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:32:48 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Checkpoint Vpn client http://osnews.com/thread?276352 http://osnews.com/thread?276352 Can anyone who has access to the beta confirm Checkpoints VPN client works or not please ;) Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Snake007uk) Comments 2 early 2 release ... http://osnews.com/thread?276362 http://osnews.com/thread?276362 Personally, I use the latest Beta - and if it goes to the Release the way it is now - this is gonna be a disaster.
Accidental crashes, a lot of software doesn't work.
Would be really disappointed with Apple... ;) Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tacit_one) Comments RE: 2 early 2 release ... http://osnews.com/thread?276364 http://osnews.com/thread?276364 How about some specifics about what software doesn't work? I have not heard of anyone else having these issues. Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TownDrunk) Comments RE[2]: 2 early 2 release ... http://osnews.com/thread?276368 http://osnews.com/thread?276368 A lot of problems with Carbon framework. Most of the problems i have are with applications that are based on Trolltech Qt (framework that utilises Carbon) - but Trolltech QA claims that these are the problems with Carbon itself.
You can browse for Trolltech Qt library Bugtracker to see how many issues they have with incompatibility of Carbon between Tiger/Leopard.
Since a lot of applications are written with Carbon - this is probably a problem...Edited 2007-10-05 17:43 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tacit_one) Comments RE[3]: 2 early 2 release ... http://osnews.com/thread?276371 http://osnews.com/thread?276371 Funny -- one of the few press releases from Apple that would make me want to get a new Mac NOW rather than wait, just to avoid being an early adopter.

I run 10.3 on my wifes G3 iBook, and 10.4 on my MacPro, and I have no real intent on upgrading any time soon. I'm happy with what I have. And I was lightly thinking about getting another notebook... Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (whartung) Comments RE: 2 early 2 release ... http://osnews.com/thread?276377 http://osnews.com/thread?276377 Accidental crashes

I love that ;)

Have you found any 'planned' crashes yet ;) )) Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Harald) Comments RE[2]: 2 early 2 release ... http://osnews.com/thread?276381 http://osnews.com/thread?276381 Just back when MS was intentionally breaking 3rd party software. Of course they don't do that any more... right? Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (haldir) Comments Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276382 http://osnews.com/thread?276382 Is it just me, or does this upgrade feel like its not ambitious enough?

Comparatively, progression in FOSS and vista seem take more of a daring leap than the advancements from tiger to leopard. Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tarpit) Comments RE[2]: 2 early 2 release ... http://osnews.com/thread?276383 http://osnews.com/thread?276383 Not that funny, actually.
When application crashes in random places at the random moments, during the heavy load system calls...
If you have some experience with Mac development, do the following: create a simple BSD-like application with heavy PIPE I/O - you will be really surprised with the whole system behavior of Leopard and will dream about 'planned' crashes ;) Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tacit_one) Comments RE: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276384 http://osnews.com/thread?276384 I actually think they're adding a very standard amount of features to this generation. A revisioned filesystem and resolution independence are all it took to convince me to upgrade, evn though they're making the UI hideous just for the "it looks different" factor. Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (i3X171UM) Comments RE[3]: 2 early 2 release ... http://osnews.com/thread?276388 http://osnews.com/thread?276388 Unless Adobe or Microsoft's Carbon apps are accidentally crashing, Trolltech better check itself and work with Apple on the issue(s). Otherwise, the release will occur with Trolltech's frameworks crashing. Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276391 http://osnews.com/thread?276391 I don't want my OS on which I and my buisiness depend to be 'daring'!!!

I want a stable system that will let me get work done quickly and efficently Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adurbe) Comments RE[2]: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276392 http://osnews.com/thread?276392 Sorry to burst your bubble, but the latest betas of Leopard do not feature resolution independence.

from: http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0706leopard9a4559gallery.html

"Support for resolution independence, which has rudimentary support in Tiger and had been rumored to be arriving with full support in Leopard, remains no where to be found."

from: http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/09/22/rumor-mac-os-x...

"not to mention the absence of "secret features" like resolution independence." Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adam S) Comments RE[2]: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276395 http://osnews.com/thread?276395 Then don't upgrade. If it's critical and it isn't broken... then don't fix it. Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (PlatformAgnostic) Comments RE: Checkpoint Vpn client http://osnews.com/thread?276402 http://osnews.com/thread?276402 No because they are under NDA. Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aliquis) Comments RE: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276403 http://osnews.com/thread?276403 But then Vista was 6 years after the last consumer OS upgrade wasn't it? Leopard is 1.5 after tiger and they where more often earlier?

I don't see the huge FOSS progression either, not much have happened in KDE lately, 4.0 will proably bring something new. 3D effects in X looks cool but it's like what will make or break Linux on the desktop .. Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aliquis) Comments RE[2]: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276404 http://osnews.com/thread?276404 I can deal with the new dock and to less extent the new menu bar even thought it doesn't make that much sense from a usability view. But what is up with Preview 4.0 toolbar buttons? They removed rotate buttons on images which is sort of annoying, but also the new kind of buttons are way harder to tell what they actually do, and less contrast then the old aqua ones. Sure they LOOK better, but they are harder to see, tell what they do and you miss the rotate functionality (I hate rotate in menues since I sometimes rotate the wrong way, with an icon it's rather obvious what way it will rotate in.)
(Which tells me now that CCW probably means counter clock wise and so on.. but anyway ;D. Menues takes longer time if nothing else.)Edited 2007-10-05 21:59 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aliquis) Comments RE[3]: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276406 http://osnews.com/thread?276406 Just edit the toolbar and add it back.

Editing toolbars in OS X is one of the most overlooked features that too many people don't even know about.

The new features in Preview 4.0 are great IMHO. Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Headrush) Comments Selling one's soul - not this time http://osnews.com/thread?276410 http://osnews.com/thread?276410 Hmm, it's very late so forgive a tetchy, throwaway remark (with apologies to one B. Dylan) - 'I ain't gonna work on Stevie's farm no more...' Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (orfanum) Comments RE[2]: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276412 http://osnews.com/thread?276412 I said it before, and got laughed at. There really isn't much to improve in the desktop world. Ok, you can add search to everything, but after that, people are really straining to find something innovative to do, and companies are too timid to go looking for truly revolutionary changes in the desktop model. Maybe we'll have to wait for multitouch interfaces to become ubiquitous before anything new will hit the desktop. Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (stestagg) Comments Apple under pressure http://osnews.com/thread?276419 http://osnews.com/thread?276419 I feel Apple is under pressure to release a less mature 10.5 OS to the public. I can Understand this situation which reminds me of Microsoft being forced to release Vista even if it doesn't contain features promised or taught.
Apple Now is 135 Billion worth on Market Capital which means that It has beaten HP/Compaq monster and they are on their way up to beat IBM, which looks scary to users of OSX, if they uderstand that their OS decisions are now in the hands of their shareholders who can push the product to the market in a specific time to compete with others even if it is not 100% mature.

I wish I am wrong, but I have read a lot of articles stating that Apple Quality is declining recently especially with the news about ATI chipset freezing the new imacs under gaming and heavy GPU usage. Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hraq) Comments RE[3]: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276425 http://osnews.com/thread?276425 But... But... The Office Ribbon! Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (PlatformAgnostic) Comments RE[4]: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276441 http://osnews.com/thread?276441 On the screenshots I saw those two item (rotate in each way) wasn't there longer, you could add more sorts of zoom and so on but not rotate. Sat, 06 Oct 2007 06:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aliquis) Comments RE[3]: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276443 http://osnews.com/thread?276443 Well, Apple HAVE done innovative stuff with the desktop earlier, others not so much ..

Also I would have appreciated if people came up with new ideas and ways to do stuff than just copy the same old.
Gnome and KDE are sooo like Windows, I understand how that would be important from a usability-to-noobs-used-to-Windows and omg-what-about-the-marketplace-of-companies-and-schools ways, but it's not anything cool or new.

It would be more fun if people came up with new ideas, whatever those might be, I'm not Jobs so don't ask me ;) Edited 2007-10-06 06:11 Sat, 06 Oct 2007 06:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aliquis) Comments RE: Apple under pressure http://osnews.com/thread?276445 http://osnews.com/thread?276445 Seriously, freezing of ATI GPUs have been a feature of theirs for long, on Windows aswell.

They where only good during 9xxx-series and that was because the 3DFX people had designs Nvidias GPUs during that time, but my friend had one of them and the drivers told him that the GPU had been restarted or whatever to prevent a crash more or less the whole time.

Nothing new ..

They should stay with Nvidia thought.
And only use non-TN-panels.
And get that noise out of my headphones on the latest macbook pro ;)
And not cripple the lowend modell just because you have no other choice and HAVE o buy their own more expensive modell if you want something else. (Unless you run a hack of course.) Sat, 06 Oct 2007 06:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aliquis) Comments RE: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276450 http://osnews.com/thread?276450 Actually, the improvements in Leopard seem ok to me, since they are upgrading from 10.4.x to 10.5, not 10.4 to 11.0. So I'd guess that the changelog looks radical enough. Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (alexandru_lz) Comments Gui http://osnews.com/thread?276451 http://osnews.com/thread?276451 A lot of baseless fud around, anyway Leopard comes with Gui independent resolution:

http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/

And it is a major upgrade. Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Matt24) Comments RE[2]: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276456 http://osnews.com/thread?276456
I actually think they're adding a very standard amount of features to this generation. A revisioned filesystem and resolution independence are all it took to convince me to upgrade, evn though they're making the UI hideous just for the "it looks different" factor.


Ahh, here comes the Job's Imperial Guard of Mac apologists. Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shapeshifter) Comments RE: Gui http://osnews.com/thread?276504 http://osnews.com/thread?276504
A lot of baseless fud around, anyway Leopard comes with Gui independent resolution:

http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/

And it is a major upgrade.


Just so you know, the docs have said that for a year or so and it is reported that the recent releases do NOT have resolution independence featured. So it may "support" it like Tiger does (via a "defaults write" issued command at the terminal) but not actually have it turned on. Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adam S) Comments RE[2]: Gui http://osnews.com/thread?276507 http://osnews.com/thread?276507 also, that page you linked to was last updated 29/11/2006 .. almost a whole YEAR ago. Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (helf) Comments RE[2]: Gui http://osnews.com/thread?276524 http://osnews.com/thread?276524 You don't need the command line to set the DPI scaling, Quartz Debug bundled with the Leopard developer tools has a nice slider that does just that.

And considering all the icons are now 512x512 pixels, Leopard does indeed support a resolution independent GUI, it's just not visible at first to the end user.

When Apple ships displays with higher DPI, expect this to either be a visible option in System Preferences, or automatically decided by OS X depending on the current monitor DPI.
I'll put my money on the last one.Edited 2007-10-06 19:57 Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cm49) Comments RE[2]: Checkpoint Vpn client http://osnews.com/thread?276533 http://osnews.com/thread?276533 I don't think that most de facto Leopard users ever signed a NDA ;) Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (KugelKurt) Comments RE[4]: 2 early 2 release ... http://osnews.com/thread?276534 http://osnews.com/thread?276534 Qt 4.4 will use Cocoa to fully support 64bit apps. See http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/10/qt-roadmap.html Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (KugelKurt) Comments RE[5]: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276536 http://osnews.com/thread?276536 Too bad the in-depth look at Preview 4.0 isn't up any longer. It was available under http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=3253

It pretty much said that Preview became a little image editing programm with lots of tools -- even featuring iWork's instant alpha. Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (KugelKurt) Comments RE[3]: Gui http://osnews.com/thread?276538 http://osnews.com/thread?276538 An Apple guy said in a WWDC session (can't remember if it was 2006 or 2007) that Apple expects all apps to be resolution independend in mid-2008. I think that an update will ship (maybe 10.5.3?) that will just turn that feature on and not-updated apps will suddenly become ugly. Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (KugelKurt) Comments RE[3]: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276540 http://osnews.com/thread?276540 Sorry to burst yours:
http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/ Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (beelzebush) Comments RE[5]: 2 early 2 release ... http://osnews.com/thread?276564 http://osnews.com/thread?276564 That's fantastic news!

Do I smell a KDE-Cocoa? Or say working with the GNUStep folks on ObjC/Openstep/Cocoa? [One can wish.] Sun, 07 Oct 2007 03:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE[5]: 2 early 2 release ... http://osnews.com/thread?276567 http://osnews.com/thread?276567 Full Resolution Independence in the UI for Qt 4.4/4.5?

I'll place my bet on Qt 4.5, at the earliest for this to happen.

OS X 10.5 will have RI out by then, but to see Linux and OS X ahead of Vista, once more will fantastic. Sun, 07 Oct 2007 03:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE[3]: 2 early 2 release ... http://osnews.com/thread?276634 http://osnews.com/thread?276634 Right... do you have something from after the DOS days, or are you just repeating the conventional wisdom? Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (PlatformAgnostic) Comments RE: Value of Upgrade http://osnews.com/thread?276752 http://osnews.com/thread?276752 Yea, since Apple releases OS Updates every six years and all. Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (marcushe) Comments