OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/18778/Project_Indiana_Release_Brings_New_Package_Manager Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:23:26 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Can't wait http://osnews.com/thread?278648 http://osnews.com/thread?278648 I am actually really excited about project indiana. I've been a Linux user for about 8 years now, if SUN delivers, this could very well get me to switch. Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (google_ninja) Comments New Debian? http://osnews.com/thread?278651 http://osnews.com/thread?278651 Is Ian trying to do another distribution? Well - I think Debian is very well Linux distro, but is Solaris going to find its niche? Time will tell... Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ikeX) Comments RE: New Debian? http://osnews.com/thread?278655 http://osnews.com/thread?278655 It has a niche already, but it's world domination that I am hoping for ;) Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jwwf) Comments RE[2]: New Debian? http://osnews.com/thread?278664 http://osnews.com/thread?278664
...it's world domination that I am hoping for ;)

LOL! I hear you and definitely hope the same!

I disagree wish the niche statement though, at least in the server room. In my contracting days I never worked in a medium sized to large sized business that did not have at least one Solaris server running.

Man, there where times where the admins had no idea how to administer the Sun box! Often, the Sun systems was a component of a solution that was bought, installed and then left to run until it either broke down, where the company would call in tech support, or was replaced by a new solution.

Talk about getting more bang for your buck! ;-) Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SReilly) Comments DOA http://osnews.com/thread?278670 http://osnews.com/thread?278670 Years late. This will end up nowhere similar to JDS. Ubuntu is the future. Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ChrisA) Comments RE: DOA http://osnews.com/thread?278678 http://osnews.com/thread?278678 EH? JDS is alive and well ... Install Nevada sometime you will see it in all its glory .... Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Cass) Comments RE: New Debian? http://osnews.com/thread?278680 http://osnews.com/thread?278680 To be realistic Im not expecting something that big already in the beginning. But with the time yes... for sure.

I hope that they will make it easy to install like Ubuntu it's and also the package management so good like in Debian. Installation in Solaris was kinda complicated.

And I have no doubt that with the time it will mature to be a good product. Ian did it with open source, in way that he didnt have so many resources, and now with a wealthy company backing his ideas along with the open source fellows I believe/hope/wish that will be a good system. Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (HangLoose) Comments RE: Can't wait http://osnews.com/thread?278693 http://osnews.com/thread?278693
I am actually really excited about project indiana. I've been a Linux user for about 8 years now, if SUN delivers, this could very well get me to switch.


Why?

You'll switch from Linux to Solaris just to learn a set of different commands with equivelent functionality and run the same GUI applications and desktop environments on top.Edited 2007-10-16 23:18 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Xaero_Vincent) Comments RE: DOA http://osnews.com/thread?278696 http://osnews.com/thread?278696 JDS is Gnome plus Sun's patches. And it's soon going to be renamed back to simply Gnome.

Also, you're being the same dick like on Channel9. Might consider going back there. Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Weeman) Comments RE[2]: Can't wait http://osnews.com/thread?278698 http://osnews.com/thread?278698 Why?

Why not?

Solaris gets you different interesting features. ZFS, zones, DTrace, SMF, fault management, etc.

Or maybe someone just doesn't like the recent ideology around the kernel project and wants to switch because of that (i.e. my reason for avoiding Linux). Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Weeman) Comments RE[2]: Can't wait http://osnews.com/thread?278702 http://osnews.com/thread?278702 --edit: Double post.Edited 2007-10-16 23:30 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Weeman) Comments Gee a new package manager http://osnews.com/thread?278711 http://osnews.com/thread?278711 It's the 90's all over, the Unix Wars, or the not invented here syndrome.

Why do we need another package manager? We have Apt, Emerge, Rpm, Mandrake's system, and more.

Yes we are all supposed to scratch an itch in Open Software but this is like the early 90's and Unix had the opportunity to rule. But we lost out because every dist had it's own 'features'.

Stop the madness and start standardising! Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Wondercool) Comments RE[2]: DOA http://osnews.com/thread?278720 http://osnews.com/thread?278720 Maybe he means JDS as in Sun's Linux distro. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (AdamR01) Comments RE: Gee a new package manager http://osnews.com/thread?278723 http://osnews.com/thread?278723 while i agree there are many, and personaly i think to many, none of them are without their flaws. if SUN can do it better I welcome it. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (poundsmack) Comments RE[2]: Can't wait http://osnews.com/thread?278744 http://osnews.com/thread?278744 Zones, ZFS, and DTrace, not to mention better throughput and stability. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (google_ninja) Comments RE[2]: Gee a new package manager http://osnews.com/thread?278758 http://osnews.com/thread?278758 Yes, most do have flaws (even my beloved dpkg+apt), but there is more to the debate. I think that it would be a great boon for Solaris to combine packaging forces with Debian and Ubuntu. I've tried Nexenta and despite its alpha status, it is budding candidate to be the best that modern unix and OSS has to offer.

"not invented here" walks hand in hand with "not cooperating here".

I realize there are technical considerations too, but you can't argue about the lost opportunities. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (captrb) Comments Better driver support http://osnews.com/thread?278761 http://osnews.com/thread?278761 I'm interested but I think that driver support is still lacking.
I installed SolarisExpressDeveloperEdition 9/07 on my DellInspiron6400 and the driver for my network card was not detected.
I'd have to install a third-part driver located somewhere at some website, which is a no-sense because the network card doesn't work so I could not download it...

So yes Gnome 2.20, compiz, eye-candy, etc, but I'd prefer also better driver support. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (siska) Comments Embrace PackageKit... http://osnews.com/thread?278770 http://osnews.com/thread?278770 while it's not too late! That way we could have a cross-*nix front-end API for installing packages that works regardless of the underlying backend (such as conary, apt, yum or this new Image Packaging System).

http://www.packagekit.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Edited 2007-10-17 07:01 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Temcat) Comments RE: Gee a new package manager http://osnews.com/thread?278776 http://osnews.com/thread?278776 Because all of the current packaging methods have flaws. Oh, and remember "choice"? Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zugu) Comments RE: Better driver support http://osnews.com/thread?278780 http://osnews.com/thread?278780 What type of card is it - and have you emailed the author of the driver to see if they're willing to submit the driver to the OpenSolaris consolidation?

Sitting on this forum complaining about the lack of driver support isn't going to do anything - its a community effort. Yes, Sun contributes but they have limited resources and must focus in those areas which yield their customers benefit and pay for themselves.

Yes, there are developers in Sun, whom in their own time, contribute to Solaris, but at the end of the day, it is still an opensource project in its infancy. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE[2]: Better driver support http://osnews.com/thread?278783 http://osnews.com/thread?278783 The drivers are here:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/
(bfe is needed)
as suggested by sun:
http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/systems/details/2046.html

I will e-mail the author then. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (siska) Comments Chargable extra? http://osnews.com/thread?278796 http://osnews.com/thread?278796 A package manager is great, but is Sun going to charge you for access to the repositories behind it? (as they do for non-security updates in Solaris 10) Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (flibble) Comments RE: Chargable extra? http://osnews.com/thread?278802 http://osnews.com/thread?278802 They're going to adapt the Ubuntu model of official and unofficial repositories. If Sun would make their repository for-pay (which they don't intend to, alone because it would be counterproductive to adoption rates), someone could just mirror their repository and host it out of their jurisdiction. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Weeman) Comments RE: Chargable extra? http://osnews.com/thread?278844 http://osnews.com/thread?278844 To be honest, I believe Sun, Canonical, Redhat, Mandriva, Suse, et al. SHOULD charge for their update service. If ever there was a way to recoup the cost of creating this excellent software, the service of providing high-speed, reliable, up-to-date, verified packages for updating your system is a service the should be charged for. I am so SICK of the get everything free (cost) mentality that pervades much of the Free (freedom) software world. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments RE[3]: Can't wait http://osnews.com/thread?278854 http://osnews.com/thread?278854 ...not to mention better throughput and stability.

And that's undoubtedly a fact, right? Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (theine) Comments RE[2]: Can't wait http://osnews.com/thread?278889 http://osnews.com/thread?278889 A different operating system isn't equal to some GUI mumbo jumbo. There is one different league, apart from Linux, BSD and Solaris both of them with stable ABI and real quality. This I call quality! Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Oliver) Comments RE[2]: Chargable extra? http://osnews.com/thread?278892 http://osnews.com/thread?278892 > I am so SICK of the get everything free (cost) mentality that pervades much of the Free (freedom) software world.

Another one who doesn't understand freedom or just open source at all. In dubio pro libertate. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Oliver) Comments YaPM (Yet another Package Manager): http://osnews.com/thread?278926 http://osnews.com/thread?278926 So now they have the best package manager in the world and the most advanced filesystem. I wonder what comes next? I know, they'll rewrite the GUI from scratch ;) Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (deb2006) Comments RE: YaPM (Yet another Package Manager): http://osnews.com/thread?278930 http://osnews.com/thread?278930 Whether it will be the best or not, remains to be seen. Why they're not just using apt is because the package manager has to be fully SVR4 packaging compliant. At least that was the reason IIRC. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Weeman) Comments