OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/18919/Six_Months_with_Sony_Vegas Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:54:25 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Multi language support lacking. http://osnews.com/thread?284396 http://osnews.com/thread?284396 I don't know about the competition, but one of the things missing in Vegas is a multilanguage support. Only English, German, French and Spanish are available. Smaller language communities (e.g. Dutch) are left out in the cold. Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ivan) Comments RE: Multi language support lacking. http://osnews.com/thread?284398 http://osnews.com/thread?284398
Smaller language communities (e.g. Dutch) are left out in the cold.


Larger language communities (e.g Russian) are left out in the cold too.
Often the translation (if there is one) is horrible/unreadable. Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (IceCubed) Comments Any suggestions for NVE on Linux? http://osnews.com/thread?284399 http://osnews.com/thread?284399 I have been running Kino for some time now first on OpenSUSE, now on Kubuntu and it works. No fancy effects, just the basics - trimming and some basic effects. But it actually works. I would like to find some better app for video editing but do not want to switch platforms just for this (I do edit videos just one in i while..). Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (joeprusa) Comments cinelerra http://osnews.com/thread?284400 http://osnews.com/thread?284400 There is cinelerra http://cvs.cinelerra.org/ for linux, but i havent used it in a long time. Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nulleight) Comments RE: Multi language support lacking. http://osnews.com/thread?284402 http://osnews.com/thread?284402 Well ... it prolly does not justify the cost. I dont think native dutch or russian version would add a lot to sonys pockets. Face the fact that those little or poor countries without a good language standard ;) are left out for a reason. Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kragil) Comments RE[2]: Multi language support lacking. http://osnews.com/thread?284405 http://osnews.com/thread?284405 Premiere Elements comes in Dutch. It is also strongly marketed here. Not so for Vegas. Vegas is also kept a secret on sites such as Zdnet. Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ivan) Comments Sorry... http://osnews.com/thread?284414 http://osnews.com/thread?284414 but this application processes and creates propritary Sony video formats. No professional wants that. Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ralf.) Comments RE: Sorry... http://osnews.com/thread?284420 http://osnews.com/thread?284420
but this application processes and creates propritary Sony video formats. No professional wants that.


Please allow me to correct your information:

Vegas works with 'what-ever-codec' is installed in the system, ranging from Video for Windows codecs (like old DivX 3) and latest MPEG4 codecs, even Quicktime.

It properly support exporting to MPEG2, AVI DV, DV (raw, which maps to .dv files under linux) and other formats, even OGG.

BTW, was the first NLE to ship with Audio exporting to OGG.

I use Vegas Video 7.0 every day. One thing to note was left of out of the review is that Vegas allow you multiple instances of the application, which let you work on other projects while exporting or doing some rendering. YMMV due hardware requirements, but on Core2Duo I can have 2 or 3 instances working without too much problems.

Also, the velocity envelopes concept implemented in Vegas is more close to the audio editing concept than video, which make timeline handling a really big thing compared to strcit NLE like Premiere or Canopus EDIUS.

Plugins support also came from proDAD (a german firm) who makes Adorage, Vitascene and Heroglyph using the DirectX plugin architecture that Vegas provides.

OK, just my comments ;-) Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (LuisLavena) Comments RE: Sorry... http://osnews.com/thread?284421 http://osnews.com/thread?284421 It imports and exports far more than just Sony video formats. Get your facts straight.

Supported Formats
Import: AIFF, ATRAC, AVI, BMP, GIF, JPG, MMV, MP3, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, Sony M2TS, OGG, PCA, PNG, PSD, QuickTime®, SFA, SWF, TGA, TIF, W64, WAV, WMA, WMV

Export: AC-3, ATRAC, AVI, MP3, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, OGG, PCA, QuickTime, RealAudio®, RealVideo®, W64, WAV, WMA, WMV

I use Vegas Home Studio Platinum, and it's a very powerful tool for $70.

EDIT - Luis beat me to it ;) Edited 2007-11-14 14:34 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (polaris20) Comments But it... http://osnews.com/thread?284425 http://osnews.com/thread?284425 doesnt run on linux :-) Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hibridmatthias) Comments RE: But it... http://osnews.com/thread?284426 http://osnews.com/thread?284426 doesnt run on linux :-)

Neither does Photoshop, Premiere, Cubase, Sonar, Avid, Pro Tools, Reason, Halion, Logic, and a ton of other creative applications that have no real equivalent on Linux.

Unfortunately these software vendors choose not to code for Linux, which is unfortunate. Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (polaris20) Comments funny http://osnews.com/thread?284433 http://osnews.com/thread?284433 hoho, the first time that I read the Subject of this post, I thought that Sony Vegas was a personal name... ( Sony Vegas.. Who is this guy? ) hohoho Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bsdero) Comments RE[2]: Sorry... http://osnews.com/thread?284434 http://osnews.com/thread?284434 AVCHD, HDV and XDCAM are interpretet by the software according to Sonys implementation. If your source material comes from an JVC camera, for example, you may run into problems.

Thats what I meant with "propritary". Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ralf.) Comments RE: funny http://osnews.com/thread?284435 http://osnews.com/thread?284435 Never heard of vegas myself. Only saw it on some cracking and p2p sites. When i deal with graphic artists and other professionals i get the impression they are more Apple centred.Edited 2007-11-14 16:23 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (netpython) Comments RE: http://osnews.com/thread?284443 http://osnews.com/thread?284443 I used Vegas before.....like 3 years ago, it was good then, looks like the same now. Think premier is much better (thats just my experience) Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (serlex) Comments RE[2]: But it... http://osnews.com/thread?284444 http://osnews.com/thread?284444 Any chance that Vegas might run under Linux using WINE?Edited 2007-11-14 17:47 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ferrels) Comments linux video editing http://osnews.com/thread?284446 http://osnews.com/thread?284446 If you want a more advanced editor then Kino for Linux then get Mainactor:

http://www.mainconcept.com/site/?id=954


I tried Cinelera awhile back and it was way to unstable to get any work done. Havent tried it lately though. Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SimpleMachine) Comments RE: funny http://osnews.com/thread?284448 http://osnews.com/thread?284448 Hehehe... Probably a mispelling when referring to the third least-known Vega brother: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vega_Brothers (By the way, I really wish that Tarantino could get such movie going... It would be awesome!)

Kinda like Chad Vader being Darth Vader's younger brother trying to get outta his older brother's shadow, you know? OK, I'll shut up now... XD Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DeadFishMan) Comments RE: linux video editing http://osnews.com/thread?284449 http://osnews.com/thread?284449 Mainactor is no longer being sold:

http://www.mainconcept.com/site/consumer-products-4/mainactor-v5-15...


There is a possibility that it will be open sourced:

http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/blog/?p=226 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (musichead) Comments RE[2]: http://osnews.com/thread?284452 http://osnews.com/thread?284452 Before buying, I ran both programs on my low spec portable. Vegas was smooth, Premiere slow and sluggish. For me, Vegas was the obvious choice. Vegas is stubborn and has character, and its users are very loyal. Updates and upgrades are stable, and this is where the competition fails (pinnacle anybody?). Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ivan) Comments RE[3]: But it... http://osnews.com/thread?284454 http://osnews.com/thread?284454 I find it highly unlikely, unless someone on the WINE team specifically put effort into getting it to work.

I know a lot (okay, most) of you folks hate Windows, but there's a time and place for it, especially until software houses choose to open up their eyes and realize there's a third (major) player out there to code for. Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (polaris20) Comments i'll stick with... http://osnews.com/thread?284456 http://osnews.com/thread?284456 FC Studio!

at least till sony pulls there head out of balmar's ass! Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tryphcycle) Comments RE[3]: Sorry... http://osnews.com/thread?284457 http://osnews.com/thread?284457
AVCHD, HDV and XDCAM are interpretet by the software according to Sonys implementation. If your source material comes from an JVC camera, for example, you may run into problems.

Thats what I meant with "propritary".


Welcome to the "not-so-standard" world!

Some owners of Sony DVD Handycams (DVD-VR is the format) reported that footage captured in 16:9 by the camera (in MPEG2 Program Stream format) wasn't flagged as "16:9" stream and required you use the Sony download utility to properly correct that.

That happens with Panasonic, JVC, and whatever you name as creator of consumer, professional and broadcast equipment.

XDCAM is a transport system and not a format [1], the thing recorded in the optical disc are DV or IMX files.

HDV is set as "standard" between Sony, JVC, Canon and Sharp that later get support by major software developers like GrassValley, Adobe, Sony and others. [2]

There are a few "breeds" of HDV that aren't compatible between each other, take as example JVC's variant of HDV: ProHD [3]

AVCHD [4] was set as "standard" (consortium) for HD in H.264 (MPEG4) format by Sony and Panasonic for flash-based camcorders.

Every software implementer took the best codec implementation for the task and used in their solution. Another "standard" solution.

So, at the end, everything is propietary :-)

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XDCAM
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProHD
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (LuisLavena) Comments One odd thing you mentioned, Eugenia.. http://osnews.com/thread?284468 http://osnews.com/thread?284468 You mentioned something about "It can crash all it wants" but you didn't mention whether or not Vegas crashes in any way you can cause or just have randomly happen to you. There are a lot of people that will run away from a product that crashes, especially where their time and sanity are worth money.

Also, the playback rates: sounds like you'd assess that you'd be better off editing it under Windows under Vegas, but watching it on Mac for good playback performance: seems like a dual-booting Mac would fill the bill nicely ;) Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JonathanBThompson) Comments RE: One odd thing you mentioned, Eugenia.. http://osnews.com/thread?284489 http://osnews.com/thread?284489 Vegas is pretty stable for me. Crashes do occur, but not as often as on other video editors. Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[3]: Sorry... http://osnews.com/thread?284514 http://osnews.com/thread?284514 Propitary... is that anything like proprietary? Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (StephenBeDoper) Comments About that first picture http://osnews.com/thread?284549 http://osnews.com/thread?284549 Who's the guy with the Peavey 5150? ;)

Can't see much of the guitar -- definitely not any model currently in production in America, it looks like an early '90s pre-Gibson-lawsuit EX series. Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Misogynist) Comments RE: About that first picture http://osnews.com/thread?284558 http://osnews.com/thread?284558 That's Brian da Motta, guitarist of the rock band Drist. Check the "rehearsal with the Drist" video to see that video shown in the screenshot:
http://www.youtube.com/user/DristTV
I shot a few interviews for them.Edited 2007-11-15 02:11 Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments Comparing Apples and PC's with no information http://osnews.com/thread?284614 http://osnews.com/thread?284614 After I read the review the first time, something was sticking in my brain, that for the life of me, I just could not explain, it didn't feel exactly right, no not right at all, when I realized you weren't on the ball. You say the PPC kept nicely at the desired speed and you gave the CPU's rate, you stated the PC dropped frames and gave its speed, but that still is not all that great, as there's much you left out that's required to truly know, if the software was limited by hardware, or if the software was just so-so: what speed were the hard drives and what were the machine's RAM, because if the PC was notably lacking, of course it will go BLAM! So, tell me, Eugenia, also which OS's versions were used as well as video cards besides, before I continue this rhyming, and everyone groans and hides? Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JonathanBThompson) Comments RE: Comparing Apples and PC's with no information http://osnews.com/thread?284655 http://osnews.com/thread?284655 Jonathan, you don't understand. The reason iMovie and FCE didn't cut it for me because they don't support 24p, not because of any OS versions or graphics cards. The reason for me going with Vegas was its sheer features, not how much faster or slower my PC was. iMovie is great as a learning project, but after a month, it just doesn't cut it anymore in terms of NLE features. Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments