OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/18939/AMD_Preparing_for_Another_GPU_Documentation_Release Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:09:02 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Wonderful http://osnews.com/thread?284888 http://osnews.com/thread?284888 I bet this will put some pressure over nVidia and will help hardware manufacturers to focus on free software. I'd like to have good graphics card support ... I still miss the days when my ATI Rage was the best card at framebuffer text mode :-) so it is time to catch the pass of time. Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Nephelim) Comments Kudos to AMD-ATI http://osnews.com/thread?284889 http://osnews.com/thread?284889 I always knew AMD was a good company (from the Am386 days) and that it would manage ATI in a sane way related to the free software. This can only mean for them one thing: selling more cards. Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shaniadollinger) Comments Vote with your wallet http://osnews.com/thread?284892 http://osnews.com/thread?284892 My next card will probably be an ATI card. Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (FooBarWidget) Comments RE: Vote with your wallet http://osnews.com/thread?284896 http://osnews.com/thread?284896 Same here :-)

Thanks AMD Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (asdx24) Comments RE: Vote with your wallet http://osnews.com/thread?284903 http://osnews.com/thread?284903 Same here especially with their 55nm 38XX Gfx.Edited 2007-11-16 21:10 Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aaronb) Comments cool http://osnews.com/thread?284905 http://osnews.com/thread?284905 i really like the AMD/ATI is doing here. now, no matter what operating system i go to, i have the chance for really good drivers all around. Now NetHack will look amazing everywhere!!!! but in all seriousness, nice work guys Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (poundsmack) Comments RE: cool http://osnews.com/thread?284923 http://osnews.com/thread?284923 Have you tried Urban Terror 4? (http://www.urbanterror.net) it is an online FPS based on the Quake 3 source. Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Priest) Comments RE[2]: cool http://osnews.com/thread?284940 http://osnews.com/thread?284940 Well, Urban Terror is cool, but it is not exactly something to show of 3d on Linux, except if you want to show that Linux can compete graphic wise with Amiga. Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Alleister) Comments RE[3]: cool http://osnews.com/thread?284947 http://osnews.com/thread?284947 imo, gameplay trumps graphics any day ;) Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hobgoblin) Comments RE: Wonderful http://osnews.com/thread?284950 http://osnews.com/thread?284950
I bet this will put some pressure over nVidia and will help hardware manufacturers to focus on free software. I'd like to have good graphics card support ... I still miss the days when my ATI Rage was the best card at framebuffer text mode :-) so it is time to catch the pass of time.


I'd love to see nVidia open too; and go a step further, dedicate a large number of programmers to writing a clean opensource driver which works with the opensource community.

The great thing; this will also improve things in the operating system world - imagine being able to go and upgrade your Mac's graphics card without needing to wait for a "Mac version" - if the specifications are open, someone also has the ability to hopefully write an EFI firmware so that its just a flash away.

All operating systems will benefit, both open and closed source; Microsoft will have all the specifications in their hands, all operating systems will be able to operate on a level playing field when it comes to hardware compatibility.

What I would love to see is this go beyond graphics cards, I want to see all hardware open; Realtek provides specifications for their hardware to those who ask - maybe its time for OEM's to step up and demand that hardware companies open up their specifications fully or lose their OEM contract. This will not only help operating system vendors but also help OEM vendors by virtue of the operating system vendors being able to properly support hardware and thus reduce the technical support calls. Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE: Wonderful http://osnews.com/thread?284961 http://osnews.com/thread?284961 >I bet this will put some pressure over nVidia

Only when they will have lost sales to AMD which means that first we need a superior free software driver for AMD boards and this will take some time.. Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (renox) Comments RE[2]: cool http://osnews.com/thread?284966 http://osnews.com/thread?284966 q3 was 8 years ago. games look like this now http://www.crysis-online.com/Media/Screenshots/Screenshots/Outdoor-... Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (google_ninja) Comments RE[3]: cool http://osnews.com/thread?284975 http://osnews.com/thread?284975 have you seen where people have taken the q1 engine since the days when it was made open source?

while its not crysis level (and imo that game is there to show of the hardware of the person playing it, more then being a good game. basically its the computer version of the nissan skyline and similar), its impressive how far they have taken it, and still being (mostly, i have seen some issues ever so often) compatible with the mods made when q1 was new.

hmm, q1 team fortress on a updated engine vs the resently released team fortress 2 from valve? Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hobgoblin) Comments RE[4]: cool http://osnews.com/thread?284978 http://osnews.com/thread?284978 There is a Linux port for the Team Fortress mod? I am off to searching. Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Priest) Comments RE[5]: cool http://osnews.com/thread?284981 http://osnews.com/thread?284981 if your referring to the original q1 mod, i would suspect so as at that time the stuff was created using a special language and compiler rather then c++ and similar.

so in theory any mod for q1 should work for any q1 engine variant as long as they stayed compatible to the mod format. Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hobgoblin) Comments RE[6]: cool http://osnews.com/thread?284986 http://osnews.com/thread?284986 if your referring to the original q1 mod, i would suspect so as at that time the stuff was created using a special language and compiler rather then c++ and similar.

Yes it exists I used to play it under Linux back when Quake ruled the day. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (RIchard James13) Comments RE[7]: cool http://osnews.com/thread?284991 http://osnews.com/thread?284991 could this be it?
http://www.fileplanet.com/27369/20000/fileinfo/tf28.zip Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hobgoblin) Comments RE[2]: cool http://osnews.com/thread?284992 http://osnews.com/thread?284992 IMHO, the most beautiful free FPS is True Combat which is built on Enemy Territory.

http://www.truecombatelite.net Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vegai) Comments RE[2]: cool http://osnews.com/thread?285039 http://osnews.com/thread?285039 ?Urbanterror does it install ok in Linux???? Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Arkansas_Rebel) Comments RE[2]: Wonderful http://osnews.com/thread?285050 http://osnews.com/thread?285050
Only when they will have lost sales to AMD which means that first we need a superior free software driver for AMD boards and this will take some time.


Not that long. There is already the start of a 2D driver:
http://ppa.launchpad.net/tormodvolden/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xserver-xo...
(this basically works, but it is still pre-beta).
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjE4Ng

There is already a software implementation of 3D:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_3D
http://www.mesa3d.org/

There is a new Mesa device driver architecture called Gallium3D being worked on:
http://www.tungstengraphics.com/wiki/index.php/Gallium3D

There is some help coming in terms of support by the Linux kernel:
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=18928
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1385306974;fp;2;fpid;2

There is existing 3D open source drivers for earlier ATI chipsets:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=700&num=...
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver

... and now (with this announcement) ATI are working towards the rlease of 3D specifications for their newer chipsets.

Perhaps by mid-year next year it will all start to come together.Edited 2007-11-19 00:54 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments No 3D spec? http://osnews.com/thread?285408 http://osnews.com/thread?285408 Ive heard that ATI has only released the 2D specs. The 3D specs are secret, still. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kebabbert) Comments RE[3]: cool http://osnews.com/thread?285546 http://osnews.com/thread?285546 "?Urbanterror does it install ok in Linux????"

Yes, the home page for it is here: http://www.urbanterror.net/

There is an installer script for Linux found here: http://forums.urbanterror.net/index.php/topic,8165.0.html

I used it on Ubuntu 7.10 and it worked fine. Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Priest) Comments RE: No 3D spec? http://osnews.com/thread?285792 http://osnews.com/thread?285792 At the moment, that is correct. But that's what they're working on changing.

Adam Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (adamk) Comments