OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19021/Adobe_Premiere_Elements_4_and_Photoshop_Elements_6_Bundle Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:01:48 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com thanks http://osnews.com/thread?289174 http://osnews.com/thread?289174 Thanks. I haven't read the article but at least we no longer have to stand Ballmer's stupid face when we open OSNews! And that is cool!!!Edited 2007-12-07 07:14 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fredb) Comments QT http://osnews.com/thread?289201 http://osnews.com/thread?289201 Photoshop Elements is written using QT. Maybe it's a sign of a future Photoshop (the full version) version for linux ? Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (IceCubed) Comments RE: QT http://osnews.com/thread?289206 http://osnews.com/thread?289206 No, only Photoshop Album is written in Qt, not the editing app. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments Comparison to FCE? http://osnews.com/thread?289208 http://osnews.com/thread?289208 How does it compare to Final Cut Express? Vegas and the Adobe bundle don't appear to run on Macs. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (evangs) Comments RE: Comparison to FCE? http://osnews.com/thread?289216 http://osnews.com/thread?289216 FCE is more of a traditional video editor. It requires more knowledge to catch on, and it can do more in terms of editing, but less in terms of creating DVDs and such. However, what bugs me with FCE4 is the fact that it does not support full HD (won't deal with 1920x1080, but only up to 1440x1080 w/ PAR 1.333), and it doesn't support 24p timelines at all. For me, these two problems are a deal breaker as my HV20 supports true 24p (after I remove pulldown) and I want to be able to export in full HD progressive and de-interlaced for my friends with 1080p HDTVs and PS3s (yes, I have such friends ;) ).Edited 2007-12-07 09:49 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE: thanks http://osnews.com/thread?289221 http://osnews.com/thread?289221 +1
That was extremely bad taste and unprofessional on osnews part. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (taos) Comments RE[2]: thanks http://osnews.com/thread?289223 http://osnews.com/thread?289223 Maybe, but I didn't do that. We are not all one and the same on osnews. So I shouldn't be the one paying for it with off topic comments on this article. I spent time to test these apps and write the article, so I appreciate only on topic comments and valid questions on the discussion.Edited 2007-12-07 10:17 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[3]: thanks http://osnews.com/thread?289230 http://osnews.com/thread?289230 Thanks. It made me test them.

Photoshop Elements is almost good enough for webdesign - it lacks some stuff like masks but there are some 3rd party filters to enable them.

http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/pselements/p/layermasks.htm

It's for version 5. Just save thumbs.psd to Layer Mask.png and copy both files to "C:Documents and SettingsAll UsersApplication DataAdobePhotoshop Elements6.0Photo Creationsfilters". It isn't perfect, but gets the job done.

As for Premiere Elements I find the requirements a little steep. I tried it on a P4 2.4ghz, 512MB and it was almost unusable.

Off-topic: the 3 pictures really look bad, both in v3 and v4 of the site. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pandronic) Comments RE[4]: thanks http://osnews.com/thread?289233 http://osnews.com/thread?289233 >P4 2.4ghz, 512MB and it was almost unusable.

Yes, Premiere Elements is much heavier than Vegas or Ulead or Magix (dunno about Pinnacle). It requires 1 GB of RAM to start with, while 2.4 Ghz will only get you as far as plain DV. For HDV you will need 2 GBs of RAM and 3 Ghz to edit comfortably and not swap (although Vegas' own requirements are similar about HDV too).Edited 2007-12-07 11:08 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[2]: Comparison to FCE? http://osnews.com/thread?289241 http://osnews.com/thread?289241 Thanks for the reply. Are the gripes you have with Final Cut Express fixed in Final Cut Pro? I'm interested in dabbling with video and iMovie can only take you so far. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (evangs) Comments RE[5]: thanks http://osnews.com/thread?289244 http://osnews.com/thread?289244 Maybe I remember it all wrong, but back in the days I was doing a lot of video editing with Premiere 6 on a PIII with Win98 without much performance trouble. I'll have to find that CD and give it a try one of these days.Edited 2007-12-07 11:23 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pandronic) Comments RE[6]: thanks http://osnews.com/thread?289246 http://osnews.com/thread?289246 Once upon a time Win98 itself would run on a P-133 Mhz too. ;) Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[3]: Comparison to FCE? http://osnews.com/thread?289247 http://osnews.com/thread?289247 Yes, Final Cut Studio and After Effects don't not have these limitations. But you need over $1200 to buy these, when Vegas Platinum costs $120 on a PC. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[2]: QT http://osnews.com/thread?289251 http://osnews.com/thread?289251 According to http://trolltech.com/customers/allcustomers/adobe/

Photoshop Elements is written in QT too. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (IceCubed) Comments RE[3]: QT http://osnews.com/thread?289255 http://osnews.com/thread?289255 http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/00000120

"Adobe Elements 3.0 is a new product that combines the functionality of Adobe Photoshop Album with some of the Adobe Photoshop functionality. The Organizer functionality in this product is a continuation of the Photoshop Album product, is built on the same codebase and does use Qt." Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (schultz) Comments RE[2]: thanks http://osnews.com/thread?289264 http://osnews.com/thread?289264 -1, no sense of humor. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adam S) Comments Elements for Mac http://osnews.com/thread?289335 http://osnews.com/thread?289335 Now Adobe needs to get around to releasing a new version of PS Elements for OS X. Elements has always been at the sweet spot for what I needed, but it's been a while since we've seen a Mac release. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bsharitt) Comments RE[4]: QT http://osnews.com/thread?289356 http://osnews.com/thread?289356 Wonder why they don't release on the Mac or Linux then? Surely there is a market for such tools on the Mac and I'm fairly sure no Linux user would complain about having Adobe tools on their platform too. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (evangs) Comments RE[6]: thanks http://osnews.com/thread?289357 http://osnews.com/thread?289357 I don't think you were doing it at the resolution these guys are using. Moving from PAL/NTSC to HD increases the size of each frame exponentially. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (evangs) Comments RE[2]: thanks http://osnews.com/thread?289363 http://osnews.com/thread?289363 You could try hitting the "close" button. What's unprofessional about drawing attention to stories that are on your site? If you don't like it, you can close it. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BluenoseJake) Comments petition adobe http://osnews.com/thread?289412 http://osnews.com/thread?289412 there are some online petition sites specifically petition online. I did an ATI one once. Although I wonder how effective a large online petition is? Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (matthekc) Comments OSX version...? http://osnews.com/thread?289424 http://osnews.com/thread?289424 The version for the Mac seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. I have sent emails to adobe asking about it but nothing ever came back from them. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sigzero) Comments RE: Elements for Mac http://osnews.com/thread?289430 http://osnews.com/thread?289430 >> Now Adobe needs to get around to releasing a new version of PS Elements for OS X. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sasparilla) Comments Screwed http://osnews.com/thread?289467 http://osnews.com/thread?289467 $150 in the US store and $230 in the regional store -.- Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Matzon) Comments 3 Gigs of RAM? http://osnews.com/thread?289501 http://osnews.com/thread?289501 Are you using 64 bit Windows? I know some people have trouble with over 2 gigs of RAM in the 32 bit versions of Windows. Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vondur) Comments RE: 3 Gigs of RAM? http://osnews.com/thread?289505 http://osnews.com/thread?289505 On 32bit Windows 1 GB can be used by the kernel and the drivers and leave the rest 2 GBs for apps. Apps can't access more than 2 GBs, but the kernel can, even if it's 32bit. I don't have any stability problems.Edited 2007-12-08 04:33 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[2]: 3 Gigs of RAM? http://osnews.com/thread?289507 http://osnews.com/thread?289507 I had tried 4 gigs on my Windows Machine. Did not work very well, although it could be a chipset limitation. I'll give three gigs a shot. (XP 64bit works fine, some apps are not happy with it though) Sat, 08 Dec 2007 05:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vondur) Comments RE[2]: 3 Gigs of RAM? http://osnews.com/thread?289528 http://osnews.com/thread?289528 You can actually use 3 GB for a single app on 32bit Windows, but not by default:

http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=107255 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 07:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (weirdnut) Comments RE[4]: QT http://osnews.com/thread?289593 http://osnews.com/thread?289593
"Adobe Elements 3.0 is a new product that combines the functionality of Adobe Photoshop Album with some of the Adobe Photoshop functionality. The Organizer functionality in this product is a continuation of the Photoshop Album product, is built on the same codebase and does use Qt."


Read that carefully. It's not the photo editor. It's the organiser (like Bridge) that is able to do a few functions of files en masse.

Still, if there is a Qt runtime on Mac OS X as TrollTech say, why didn't they easily move Album? Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bousozoku) Comments User interface http://osnews.com/thread?289622 http://osnews.com/thread?289622 I wonder when they stop screwing around with it and just use native look & feel.

It's frankly annoying and looks totally out of place. Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (_mikk) Comments RE: User interface http://osnews.com/thread?289623 http://osnews.com/thread?289623 When people work with Photoshop, they are typically only using that program, not multiple programs simultaneously. So I think Adobe is at some liberty to change the UI. I think the UI is supposed to mimic a darkroom. Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (samad) Comments RE[2]: User interface http://osnews.com/thread?289645 http://osnews.com/thread?289645 Well, the last time I used the darkroom, it was really dark and didn't resemble the computer environment at all.

I suppose my point is that controls and UI should help rather than being annoying.
I think that could be handled by providing themes or skins with the ability to use native OS look & feel. Sun, 09 Dec 2007 03:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (_mikk) Comments RE[3]: User interface http://osnews.com/thread?289660 http://osnews.com/thread?289660
Well, the last time I used the darkroom, it was really dark and didn't resemble the computer environment at all.


Apple's Aperture is closer to the photographer's environment but you pay a lot in the need for 3D power to use it. Photoshop's tools could be described more as an artist's grab bag since just about everything is there. I never found an airbrush or paint bucket near the fixer.

I'm curious as to why Adobe changed Photoshop Elements 6 to this darker interface since it's not present in Photoshop CS3, though Bridge CS3 uses the dark background for the folder items. I suppose they're just trying to join the Windows consumer application space with some different theme since there are so many already. Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bousozoku) Comments