OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19037/Review_the_Nokia_E51 Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:14:25 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com scRAMbled http://osnews.com/thread?290203 http://osnews.com/thread?290203 RAM11 ? I didn't know that cpu type ;) Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mmu_man) Comments On the box? http://osnews.com/thread?290211 http://osnews.com/thread?290211 Nokia ship phones on boxes now? Cool for people of smaller stature I guess?

I try not to pick at the grammar of non-native English speakers, but this is the second article I've read in the last few days (tho one might have been a blog entry) where Eugenia has used "on" instead of "in". Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (memson) Comments I love my E61 http://osnews.com/thread?290212 http://osnews.com/thread?290212 ...but the recent Ogg nonsense is a real thumbs-down for you, Nokia.
Refresh your coolness! Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (smitty_one_each) Comments Just wondering http://osnews.com/thread?290236 http://osnews.com/thread?290236 It seems to me that the camera/video recorder in most phones is pretty lame. Maybe this is one feature that should just be left out. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments Coming to the US? http://osnews.com/thread?290240 http://osnews.com/thread?290240 So when are we getting these in the states? Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (technician) Comments great nokia phone! and already available in the us http://osnews.com/thread?290247 http://osnews.com/thread?290247 this a great nokia smartphone.. ive been waiting for it.... the only drawback is the video thing for me (i hope they fix it with a firmware update)

is already available on many online stores for around 295 ~ 310 U$S but you have to hurry... when a new batch arrives it goes out of stock pretty fast!

http://www.google.com/products?q=nokia+e51&btnG=Search+Products... Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tetsu) Comments RE: Coming to the US? http://osnews.com/thread?290249 http://osnews.com/thread?290249 I don't know if it will ever "Come to US" but it is widely available from online retailers. I have been seriously considering picking up one of these phones as a replacement for my Pearl, as I am a big fan of nokia devices. It's the same size as the pearl but toss in wlan and other goodies.

What gets lost using it in the states is the 3.5G speed. You would be bound to EDGE speed at best unless Nokia spins a ATT 3G version like they did with the N75. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (HeLfReZ) Comments My Quandry http://osnews.com/thread?290250 http://osnews.com/thread?290250 My quandry is that I am torn between the E51 and the E61i. Eugenia, and noticeable performance or big gains with the S60 feature pack 1 on the E51 over the E61i? Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (HeLfReZ) Comments Can the phone act as a WLAN->3G hot spot? http://osnews.com/thread?290260 http://osnews.com/thread?290260 It is indeed a very nice phone, though I have to confess I never got the Gizmo's SIP stuff up and running correctly (probably having to do with anal firewalls and routers). Instead I installed fring on it and while I would have preferred the free SIP protocol, at least I have Skype for VoIP. Google Maps also installs and runs fine. Connecting to encrypted WPA/WEP WLAN connections works fine and the 3G connection here in Sweden is ok for data transfer. This brings me to my question.

Does anyone know if there is a Symbian tool or perhaps some SDK code around that can set the WLAN card into ad-hoc/promiscuous mode and lets your phone itself act as a WLAN hotspot? It would be very nice to use the phone as a WLAN bridge to the net via 3G. Bluetooth is the traditional wireless protocol for this, but we all know it is painful to configure, slow compared to WLAN and not possible to share among several clients at the same time. Any ideas? Eugenia? Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (korpenkraxar) Comments RE: My Quandry http://osnews.com/thread?290264 http://osnews.com/thread?290264 I think the biggest difference between the two phones is the keyboard (i.e. blackberry fully keyboard) on the E61i vs the standard phone design / keyboard of the E51 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (REM2000) Comments What? http://osnews.com/thread?290266 http://osnews.com/thread?290266 Again 9 out of 10? You guys are quickly losing credibility as reviewers.

Ipod touch: 9/10
Adobe Photoshop 8/10
Nokia E51 9/10
JVC GR-D347US: 8/10
Nokia 6120 Classic: 9/10
Sony Ericsson W580i: 8/10
iLO LCT32HA36 HDTV: 9/10
HTC TyTN-II ("Kaiser"): 9/10

I mean, purely from a statistical point of view, they can't all be that good, can they?Edited 2007-12-12 16:53 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (maxx_730) Comments RE[2]: Coming to the US? http://osnews.com/thread?290270 http://osnews.com/thread?290270 Do you know Nokia's part number for the US version of this phone? There are many places selling it, like buy.com, but they don't list if it's the US version or not. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bink) Comments RE: What? http://osnews.com/thread?290272 http://osnews.com/thread?290272 I guess they are reviewing only the top of the crop devices.

I'm sure there are plenty of bad devices out there. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Buffalo Soldier) Comments GPS http://osnews.com/thread?290276 http://osnews.com/thread?290276 The phone appears to do everything—nice. Too bad it's missing GPS. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bink) Comments RE[3]: Coming to the US? http://osnews.com/thread?290285 http://osnews.com/thread?290285 There is no US part number. The phone is a GSM device, therefore it will work in the states provided you have a GSM provider (TMobile, ATT, Suncom, etc). The caveat being, the phone does not have the 3G frequencies used by the US GSM provider, so you will get EDGE speed at best for data.

The gsm providers in the US use different frequencies than the rest of the world, of course. I think there is a snaffu with the frequencies because the military heisted them for their own bidding. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (HeLfReZ) Comments Seriously? http://osnews.com/thread?290286 http://osnews.com/thread?290286 I can't say you came anywhere close to convincing me why this beats out the N95, N82, E90 or any of the others that could be considered Nokia's "crown jewel". Seriously a piss-poor review. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TrueDis) Comments RE[2]: My Quandry http://osnews.com/thread?290287 http://osnews.com/thread?290287 Not entirely true. The e51 includes Feature Pack1 which has gotton some great reviews on performance and stability. Some functions like Bluetooth and SIP (VoIP) got completely reworked in Feature Pack 1. The e61i does not support feature pack 1.


Feature Packs are not the same as firmware upgrades. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (HeLfReZ) Comments RE: Seriously? http://osnews.com/thread?290289 http://osnews.com/thread?290289 One place in particular IMHO where it beats those devices is size. This guy is almost the exact same size of a blackberry pearl or like a motorola SLVR...none of the other phones have the same pocketability. Outside of the resolution and keyboard, it is basically the exactly a shrunken E90 feature wise...I think features+size is the key difference. Only thing it's really missing is GPS, but cramming wifi into a device this size if feat enough in itself lol.

Don't mean to sound like a salesman, I am just looking for the same constructive criticisms, because I have been seriously considering picking up one of these puppies. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (HeLfReZ) Comments RE: What? http://osnews.com/thread?290291 http://osnews.com/thread?290291 Maybe, they should review my Nokia 6085 to put things in perspective but yes, it's difficult to believe that everything deserves such high ratings.

I would imagine that Hi-Mobile.net won't send them anything that will get a bad review, at least, as far as phones go. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bousozoku) Comments RE: Seriously? http://osnews.com/thread?290298 http://osnews.com/thread?290298 This device is expected to come down to $300 in less than a month. Compared to $600-700 N-series devices, this *business* device does the job VERY well. VoIP is its STRONGEST feature. If you want a VoIP phone, that's the one to get. It performs on that much better than ANY N-series device. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE: On the box? http://osnews.com/thread?290300 http://osnews.com/thread?290300 And you will read many more. I am not likely to change the way I write. Neither anyone is going to proof read around here. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments Pricing. http://osnews.com/thread?290301 http://osnews.com/thread?290301 It is already available from many online retailers in the $299-350 range depending on where you order from. $400 it where most retailers I checked were topping out at. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (HeLfReZ) Comments RE[2]: On the box? http://osnews.com/thread?290302 http://osnews.com/thread?290302 I am not likely to change the way I write.

There's no need to. Most of us get the message in your reviews without any problem at all.

However, when some pick at the way you write just take it to mean that your review was well received and they couldn't pick at the subject.

Good job. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Pelly) Comments the stuffed animals and the leaves http://osnews.com/thread?290303 http://osnews.com/thread?290303 Eugenia, you should really loose those stuffed animals and rake the leaves up in your yard. I'm mean come on! Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jptros) Comments RE: the stuffed animals and the leaves http://osnews.com/thread?290304 http://osnews.com/thread?290304 That's not my yard. It is taken care by the owner every Wednesday.

As for the stuffed animals, there is no reason to "loose" them. The last thing you want is to have sheep "loose" in the house. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[2]: the stuffed animals and the leaves http://osnews.com/thread?290306 http://osnews.com/thread?290306 I was only kidding and I'm in my place. ;) Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jptros) Comments RE[4]: Coming to the US? http://osnews.com/thread?290312 http://osnews.com/thread?290312 Are you sure about this? phoneArena says the phone should work on AT&T's 3G network—http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Nokia-E51-for-business-article-a_20.... Edited 2007-12-12 21:05 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bink) Comments RE[5]: Coming to the US? http://osnews.com/thread?290314 http://osnews.com/thread?290314 I used it with AT&T too, but it seems that I was not on a 3G area at the time. I didn't see the 3G logo you see. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments screen size http://osnews.com/thread?290316 http://osnews.com/thread?290316 the screen (like in 6120 classic) is only 2.0" and that makes the font quite small and unreadable for some people. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (momchil_karabulev) Comments 3G Support http://osnews.com/thread?290343 http://osnews.com/thread?290343 I could be wrong, but my understanding of 3g from att was that the phones used separate upload and download frequencies, hence the need for 850+1900 to make a hybrid 3g line. I could be wrong and you only need one of the frequencies. That being the case, I believe 1900 is the more prevalent frequency so it sux either way.

Would be nice to know, that would be icing on the cake. ATTs 3g frequencies are weird is all I know lol..Can anyone clarify and give it a yeah or neh Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (HeLfReZ) Comments RE[2]: On the box? http://osnews.com/thread?290370 http://osnews.com/thread?290370 Don't care about whiney people, I think it's just simply amazing that you find it in yourself to even write articles for free for others to read ;) And I atleast haven't seen you spreading any FUD or such here so I have nothing to complain. Sure, I can sometimes disagree with you about something but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate you contributing your time to writing stuff for me to read ;)

Oh, and on another note..I find it rather stupid that a camera phone with high mega-pixel camera doesn't have a flash :O I personally wouldn't touch such a phone even with a stick. And I was just wondering that it'd be cool if someone made a camera phone which would take a picture the instant you press the button instead of waiting like 5 seconds before launching. You always miss the best shots when you gotta wait... :/ Some might argue that that's what real digital cameras are for but well...not everyone always has a digital camera in their pocket whereas almost everyone has their phone with them all day long. Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WereCatf) Comments RE[2]: On the box? http://osnews.com/thread?290390 http://osnews.com/thread?290390 All you need to remember is:

in - inside
on - on top

vs

on - onside Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (memson) Comments RE[3]: On the box? http://osnews.com/thread?290392 http://osnews.com/thread?290392 This is something *basic*. Which means that if I still confuse it after 10+ years of living in English-speaking countries, it means that this is how my brain is wired (in conjunction to how my native language works), and so that won't change easily. So don't waste your time. I don't. Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[4]: On the box? http://osnews.com/thread?290394 http://osnews.com/thread?290394 Sure. You know I'm not *meaning* to offend you. If I was going to *try* to offend you I would make it far, far more obvious ;-) Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (memson) Comments Same question... http://osnews.com/thread?290437 http://osnews.com/thread?290437 I have the same basic question/critique as I had with the iPod Touch: for a device thats primary function is a cellular phone, can we get a more descriptive idea of the PHONE abilities than the one sentence of "good reception, top notch voice quality" ? Does anyone know how it stacks up against in areas that normally get bad reception? Voice quality versus a few other types of phones? It is just that after reading, I feel enlightened about everything the phone can do, except be a phone. Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (saynte) Comments cynical plug http://osnews.com/thread?290530 http://osnews.com/thread?290530 This is just a cheap knock-up of a review to serve only to direct traffic to the aformentioned dealership. For a more comrehensive review try this http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_e51-review-193.php or this http://dailymobile.se/2007/12/09/pictures-nokia-e51/#more-2093 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shahid) Comments RE: Coming to the US? http://osnews.com/thread?290555 http://osnews.com/thread?290555 A few places have it now, with a US warranty. You can check the howardforums thread for those names. Otherwise, go to hi-mobile.net. Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (EricSeale) Comments RE[2]: Seriously? http://osnews.com/thread?291188 http://osnews.com/thread?291188 Fair enough, Eugenia, but that still doesn't explain why it's their "crown jewel." It's marketed far less than any of those that I mentioned. Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TrueDis) Comments RE: Can the phone act as a WLAN->3G hot spot? http://osnews.com/thread?291564 http://osnews.com/thread?291564
Instead I installed fring on it and while I would have preferred the free SIP protocol, at least I have Skype for VoIP.


Fring also supports SIP (starting with version 3.01 IIRC). Tried it successfully with my rather old Nokia 6680 (S60v2). It even worked quite well over GPRS (~56k). Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sphere) Comments