OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19050/Syllable_Server_0_2_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 22 May 2013 06:32:01 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Good to see this! http://www.osnews.com/thread?290906 http://www.osnews.com/thread?290906 Really good to see Syllable progressing nicely!

I was particularly interested to see them include Orca as the main scripting language. Good on them for daring to be a bit different!

Orca (for those who haven't heard of it) is an open-source "work-alike" of the Rebol programming language. Orca and Rebol look (to me) like an interesting blend of Forth and Python. Take the concise nature of Forth and add the user-friendliness of Python and you might end up with something like Orca / Rebol.

Orca is still in its early days, but shows good potential. Rebol itself packs a *massive* amount of power into a very small size, and hopefully Orca can do the same.Edited 2007-12-14 23:18 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (obsidian) Comments Syllable Server http://www.osnews.com/thread?290914 http://www.osnews.com/thread?290914 Is that the Syllable GUI running on top of X.ORG or is it a separate graphical operating environment running on top of Linux just like Mac OS X on top of BSD (totally separate of X.ORG) Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (OSGuy) Comments RE: Syllable Server http://www.osnews.com/thread?290918 http://www.osnews.com/thread?290918 The screenshot shows Syllable Server running in Bochs on a Syllable Desktop system. In the installation and usage instructions it says "- Most notably, Syllable Server doesn't have the graphical environment from Syllable Desktop yet." IIRC, they intend to implement their GUI system without using X.org, but I don't think it's ready yet. Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (charles) Comments RE[2]: Syllable Server http://www.osnews.com/thread?290931 http://www.osnews.com/thread?290931
The screenshot shows Syllable Server running in Bochs on a Syllable Desktop system. In the installation and usage instructions it says "- Most notably, Syllable Server doesn't have the graphical environment from Syllable Desktop yet." IIRC, they intend to implement their GUI system without using X.org, but I don't think it's ready yet.


So, anyone has any idea of what parts of Syllable are in fact running over the Linux kernel? The post at syllable.org only talks about Linux packages.

And yes, IIRC, the GUI won't use X but the frame buffer. Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (merkoth) Comments RE[3]: Syllable Server http://www.osnews.com/thread?290933 http://www.osnews.com/thread?290933 From what I can tell it's still pretty close to a basic Linux system. The tree under usr/ has been changed significantly (each package gets its own directory, with its own subdirectories for bin/ lib/ documentation/ and so on).

I haven't spent much time with the 0.2 release yet, but I will tomorrow. If I find anything that's definitely from Syllable Desktop, I'll report back. Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (charles) Comments RE[4]: Syllable Server http://www.osnews.com/thread?290934 http://www.osnews.com/thread?290934 Sorry I keep asking questions, I don't really have time to give it myself a try:

From what I can tell it's still pretty close to a basic Linux system. The tree under usr/ has been changed significantly (each package gets its own directory, with its own subdirectories for bin/ lib/ documentation/ and so on).


Maybe I got it wrong, but that means that, for example, two binaries that need the same libX.so will have each one a copy of the lib? If that's the case well... ugh ;) Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (merkoth) Comments RE[5]: Syllable Server http://www.osnews.com/thread?290935 http://www.osnews.com/thread?290935 A quick check reveals that there is a /usr/index/lib directory which has symlinks to the actual libraries. The binaries appear to be tied to the symlinks, allowing just one copy of the library to be installed. Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (charles) Comments RE[5]: Syllable Server http://www.osnews.com/thread?290968 http://www.osnews.com/thread?290968

Maybe I got it wrong, but that means that, for example, two binaries that need the same libX.so will have each one a copy of the lib? If that's the case well... ugh ;)



As long as the basic system libraries cover all typically required functionality, only a few apps should need custom libraries. It seems to work well enough on OSX.
I'm all for it if it prevents problems like the libexpat fiasco a few months ago on Gentoo. Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hornett) Comments RE[6]: Syllable Server http://www.osnews.com/thread?291027 http://www.osnews.com/thread?291027
A quick check reveals that there is a /usr/index/lib directory which has symlinks to the actual libraries. The binaries appear to be tied to the symlinks, allowing just one copy of the library to be installed.


Thanks for the info ;) Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (merkoth) Comments They really ought to work more on http://www.osnews.com/thread?291094 http://www.osnews.com/thread?291094 their amazing Desktop OS, rather than pour so much effort into a Linux distro. Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (madcrow) Comments RE: They really ought to work more on http://www.osnews.com/thread?291098 http://www.osnews.com/thread?291098 We can do both. The next release of Desktop should be ready soon (I'm testing and fixing the last development build right now, in fact).

Server will start to become really interesting once we get the appserver running on it and start to integrate Server & Desktop together. Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Vanders) Comments