OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19089/Samples_by_the_New_Wave_of_Videographers Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:41:17 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Flash demos? http://osnews.com/thread?293325 http://osnews.com/thread?293325 Unfortunately, for us using amd64 architecture kernel the latest Flash has yet to be released for 64 bit Linux and using Chroot just to view an article seems rather daft.

Since it's an article about video, how about linking stills against a variety of options to view them? Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE: Flash demos? http://osnews.com/thread?293326 http://osnews.com/thread?293326 To create stills I need to grab frames and store them on this server. While these creators surely won't have a problem, it's not very legal to do so without authorization, as in USA, work is copyrighted by default.

Anyways, maybe you could also install a 32bit kernel and boot via it to have temporarily Flash support? Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[2]: Flash demos? http://osnews.com/thread?293327 http://osnews.com/thread?293327 Understood on the legality concerns. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE[2]: Flash demos? http://osnews.com/thread?293328 http://osnews.com/thread?293328 I can reconfigure chroot on Debian to get it to work. It's more a matter of defiance than compliance. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE[3]: Flash demos? http://osnews.com/thread?293337 http://osnews.com/thread?293337 Surely you've heard of nspluginwrapper. I've had Flash 9 on a 64-bit kernel for nearly a year. No need for chroot. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (brewin) Comments Beautiful http://osnews.com/thread?293343 http://osnews.com/thread?293343 That's some beautiful footage Eugenia. I wish there was something like this for coral reefs. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (flanque) Comments RE: Beautiful http://osnews.com/thread?293344 http://osnews.com/thread?293344 Not exactly coral reefs, but similar theme, on the first video shown here: http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18870

Here's a coral reef video, but unfortunately it's not in HD, although the original higher quality VGA version is offered for a download: http://vimeo.com/44844 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[2]: Beautiful http://osnews.com/thread?293345 http://osnews.com/thread?293345 It's pretty close, but I guess I'm more talking about the stuff you see on IMAX about coral reefs, etc. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (flanque) Comments intersting but... http://osnews.com/thread?293346 http://osnews.com/thread?293346 these shoots are beautiful, but (apart the first one) they lack the most important and most difficult thing for a video: they don't tell a story. They look like a videocam demo test not like short films.

The real hard challenge in video and photo is not to manage the technical skills necessary to shoot perfectly but to use those skills to produce something creative and interesting.

I know this problem well, being myself an hobbyst photographer fighting hard with my (lack of) creativity. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mc100) Comments RE: intersting but... http://osnews.com/thread?293348 http://osnews.com/thread?293348 Not necessarily. You don't have to always tell a story. Video is not just about stories, but also about "moving pictures", about imagery, about visual stimulation. Having a plot is only one of the usages of video.

A few days ago we were at Reno, NV, inside the Peppermill casino. Peppermill has employed some professional people to shoot video for the casino's multiple 42" HDTVs. One particular scene stroke me. It was a slow-moving river with lots of fallen leaves on it. If this was a picture, it would have been a dull picture (and my prosumer photographer husband agreed to this observation too). But the element of movement, just made it apparent that this scene was meant to be shot as video, not as a picture.

Beautiful, simple imagery is the first thing a videographer will try to go for. Having a plot requires one or more subjects, and most videographers don't have that luxury. It's not necessary anyway. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[4]: Flash demos? http://osnews.com/thread?293351 http://osnews.com/thread?293351 The last upgrade broke the one in Debian Sid. After purging my system and reinstalling it it broke between 9.0.48 and 9.0.115. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE[2]: intersting but... http://osnews.com/thread?293352 http://osnews.com/thread?293352 >Beautiful, simple imagery is the first thing a videographer will try to go for. Having a plot requires one or more subjects, and most videographers don't have that luxury. It's not necessary anyway.

well, permit me to disagree :-)
as you wrote: beautiful images are the FIRST thing you will try.

It's like photography: first you learn the tech things (light, aperture, speed, DOF etc.).
In about two months you can manage the tecnique and produce formally perfect images.
Then comes the hard part: use that tech notions to shoot something that communicates, to tell a story.
In definitive: trying to produce a small form of art.

This last part is creativity, and you cannot learn it in two months. I've been shooting for years and I don't have a bit of the vision of the masters like Bresson or Salgado or Berengo Gardin or Adams etc.

Filming is really hard: to produce something that matters you need a lot of talent. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mc100) Comments RE[3]: interesting but... http://osnews.com/thread?293355 http://osnews.com/thread?293355

use that tech notions to shoot something that communicates, to tell a story.
In definitive: trying to produce a small form of art.

tell a story, or... "just" comunicate emotions...
to be a small (or not) form of art the story isn't really necessary.... of course in can be one of the intentions of the artist, but not necessary... Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jthomas) Comments RE[4]: interesting but... http://osnews.com/thread?293359 http://osnews.com/thread?293359 Let me add an example.
Look at these shoots of a simple and common subject: a dog.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3323495
this is a technically perfect photo. Great light, great detail, perfect DOF etc.
Yet, it's a "normal" photo. Anybody can do this. It doesen't give you a bit of emotion.

now look at this one:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4098221
still a dog, but what a difference!
Is the dog sleeping? Is he tired? Who is the man down there? Why are the man and the dog far away?
So: this image makes you think. This is the difference. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mc100) Comments RE[3]: intersting but... http://osnews.com/thread?293360 http://osnews.com/thread?293360 > to produce something that matters you need a lot of talent.

That's true, but what "matters" is a subjective issue. Visual stimulation and artsy editing can matter to a lot of people. Not everyone wants to have their brains working in full power to figure out what happens on a short movie that has a plot or a "deeper" meaning that makes you think. Many just want to see relaxing imagery, or disturbing imagery.

Just like dance doesn't always tell a story, compared to theater. It could tell a story (e.g. the swan lake ballet or Chinese theater), but it's not necessary. Greek traditional line-dancing don't tell a story usually for example. And it doesn't lose value because of that. People still enjoy it.

Besides, there's not much of a story you can put together on macro video shots with slugs as your stars, or flowers, or snow. And yet, it looks beautiful.Edited 2007-12-27 10:31 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[4]: intersting but... http://osnews.com/thread?293363 http://osnews.com/thread?293363 I understand your point of view, Eugenia.
Still, I think that today it's TOO EASY to just produce perfect images or perfect short films, anybody can do that.

Obviuosly there's nothing bad in doing that, but I think is a poor use of the great tech devices we have today.

BTW:
>Greek traditional line-dancing don't tell a story usually for example

I'm not an expert in dancing, expecially in Greek dances, but I know that italian popular dances HAVE a meaning, even if the majority of the people who dance don't care.
Dances come from the traditions, are related to the seasons, to the work or to the erotism of the men and women, for example. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mc100) Comments RE[5]: intersting but... http://osnews.com/thread?293365 http://osnews.com/thread?293365 >anybody can do that.

It is much more than grabbing good looking moving images. On video, editing is very important, much-much more than on a still picture. And I can assure you, editing like a pro, is not an easy task. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[2]: intersting but... http://osnews.com/thread?293368 http://osnews.com/thread?293368 I agree with this. A single well shot photo can tell so many different stories depending on who is looking at it. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (flanque) Comments RE[5]: Flash demos? http://osnews.com/thread?293369 http://osnews.com/thread?293369 --quote--

The last upgrade broke the one in Debian Sid. After purging my system and reinstalling it it broke between 9.0.48 and 9.0.115.

--end quote--

hehehe... Buy a Mac! Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Deckard) Comments RE[5]: interesting but... http://osnews.com/thread?293370 http://osnews.com/thread?293370

still a dog, but what a difference!


the main difference is that the two photos have completely different "intentions"...

I agree 100% with you that the 2nd one at first sight communicates more "interest" because it exploits the "context"; the first one concentrates on the subject, trying to catch and explore expression, depth, intensity... So the 2nd one lets you imagine a "story", while the other focuses on th subject.

In any case expressiveness of an artwork relies always on two roles, the artist being able to communicate a message and the observer, being able to get messages (can be different ones with different observers, even getting emotions beyond artist's intentions)Edited 2007-12-27 11:08 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jthomas) Comments RE[5]: intersting but... http://osnews.com/thread?293372 http://osnews.com/thread?293372

Still, I think that today it's TOO EASY to just produce perfect images or perfect short films, anybody can do that.

Obviuosly there's nothing bad in doing that, but I think is a poor use of the great tech devices we have today.


In this I agree 120% with you...
It's easy to have the tech quality, but it's the idea that makes the difference... Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jthomas) Comments RE[2]: Flash demos? http://osnews.com/thread?293378 http://osnews.com/thread?293378 Fedora 8 and Sabayon support Flash on AMD64. The 32 bit version uses NDISwrapper and works normally. Gnash works on some Flash videos too. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (unclefester) Comments Vimeo URL http://osnews.com/thread?293382 http://osnews.com/thread?293382 http://vimeo.com/eugenia/videos

Eugenia... Putting a link to Vimeo and writing it "as if" it was a general link and not the one to your own profile!? Hmmm

Edit: Baaah, nevermind. Let your efforts be rewarded with this link ;) Edited 2007-12-27 12:04 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ben Jao Ming) Comments RE[6]: interesting but... http://osnews.com/thread?293384 http://osnews.com/thread?293384 >In any case expressiveness of an artwork relies always on two roles, the artist being able to communicate a message and the observer, being able to get messages


totally agree with you.

Anyway, I was just trying to say that today being so easy and cheap to produce formally perfect films or photo, I appreciate those who try to put some artistic quality to their hobbist work even if they fail.

I understand this is totally off topic, so excuse me.

Anyway, thanks Eugenia for your great info and tutorial on video editing: if I ever want to switch from photo to video, I will remember to re-read all your material. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mc100) Comments audience http://osnews.com/thread?293413 http://osnews.com/thread?293413 Usually, I am all for video news and selections... but keeping in mind that this site is more focused in OS-related (and close to) stuff... a more detailed explanation about the technical achievements of each of these videos, how some of them was made and other details to make it more interesting to the OSNews' audience. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JrezIN) Comments I see http://osnews.com/thread?293428 http://osnews.com/thread?293428 Pretty crazy that there is a video of tigers at the san fran zoo and someone 2 months ago said in the comments that one tiger had a bad attitude ?! http://vimeo.com/365747

Timely I guess! Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Luminair) Comments Again? http://osnews.com/thread?293440 http://osnews.com/thread?293440 Maybe someone will tell me, what does it have in common with Operating Systems, which I think, still are the main topic of this vortal. Or, maybe I'm wrong, and someone (probably Mrs ELQ) will tell me, that's not the place it used to be? Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (baderman) Comments RE: Again? http://osnews.com/thread?293445 http://osnews.com/thread?293445
that's not the place it used to be?


I'm not sure what site you've been visiting, but this subject was covered MULTIPLE times... OSNews is NOT an os-related ONLY website. Everything that is remotely related can, and is, covered here.Edited 2007-12-27 20:42 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JrezIN) Comments RE[2]: Again? http://osnews.com/thread?293446 http://osnews.com/thread?293446 Remotely? You can prove that everything is directly or indirectly related to OSes topic, but is it really? Don't let propaganda fool You. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (baderman) Comments RE[3]: Again? http://osnews.com/thread?293449 http://osnews.com/thread?293449 > how some of them was made

Usually with a tripod and an HV20. ;)

Baderman, please read the forum rules before you reply again. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[3]: Flash demos? http://osnews.com/thread?293452 http://osnews.com/thread?293452 I am using kubuntu gutsy 64 and I use flash all you need is nspluginwrapper
http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/
in ubuntu it is all done automatically whne I install the flash non free it install the nspluginwrapper and flash Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tikal26) Comments RE: Flash demos? http://osnews.com/thread?293459 http://osnews.com/thread?293459 Actually, copyright has a fair use clause.

Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. ยง 107.

How do you think reviews are published ? How do you think news is made? Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mikesum32) Comments Technological Excellence http://osnews.com/thread?293460 http://osnews.com/thread?293460 I've seen a couple of these news stories so far, and to me they seem more of an exercize in technology. You see a common pattern as you watch through the sample videos. Nearly every one has a nature theme, and the majority of shots are zoomed in very close to the object. While each scene is beautiful, it lacks the emotional and intellectual component that makes great video. When you have everyone doing nearly the exact same thing, it tends to become absent of these things.

The videos do show how far technology has come, as new hardware and software allows anyone to become an amateur photographer or videographer. That technological aspect alone is interesting enough for me. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (akeru) Comments RE: Technological Excellence http://osnews.com/thread?293462 http://osnews.com/thread?293462 >Nearly every one has a nature theme,

Well yes. We are talking about people who don't have studios or actors. The only thing you can shoot "for free", is nature, so that's normal.

Remember, we are not talking about indie filmmakers here, who in reality they are semi-pro, we are talking about amateurs, and so what they shoot is limited by light and live subjects. Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE: Again? http://osnews.com/thread?293493 http://osnews.com/thread?293493 Beware baderman, there's a TOTALITARIAN clause(VIII) in the TERMS http://www.osnews.com/rules.php for posting comments :

It is not your job to tell us what should and should not be posted on OSNews. Hence, any comment along the lines of "Why is this OSNews?" will immediately be moderated down and locked from any further moderation. No questions asked.


Foresee your comment to be moderated down soon... Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (utopia) Comments RE[2]: Technological Excellence http://osnews.com/thread?293510 http://osnews.com/thread?293510 The only thing you can shoot "for free", is nature, so that's normal

So you can't film people you don't know for free? Of course, you can. Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (chris_dk) Comments RE[3]: Technological Excellence http://osnews.com/thread?293575 http://osnews.com/thread?293575 Not without image release, no. You can not do that in USA and many other countries. If the people in the video are identifiable and they didn't sign an image release, you are in deep legal trouble. Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments Second video was so cool http://osnews.com/thread?293605 http://osnews.com/thread?293605 ... haven't looked at all others.

Anyway, what OS does slugs use? Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aliquis) Comments What is wrong with watching videos on your compute http://osnews.com/thread?293632 http://osnews.com/thread?293632 "or even download them in order to watch them in full HD quality through your AppleTV, XboX360 or PS3."

I don't get this part, why not view the video on your computer?

Also isn't AppleTV rather underpowered anyway? Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aliquis) Comments RE: What is wrong with watching videos on your compute http://osnews.com/thread?293638 http://osnews.com/thread?293638 The AppleTV can playback 720/24p, which is what most files encoded on vimeo are at, or can be easily re-encoded as such without much quality loss. Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments