OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19195/GoBE_Productive_To_Buy_BeOS_ Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:37:13 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com What for? http://osnews.com/thread?297153 http://osnews.com/thread?297153 It's great to se GoBE up on its feet again but, what could they use BeOS for? Maybe a one-stop enterprise desktop solution? A lightweight OS plus a full-featured, lightweight office suite would be interesting for bussiness with tight budgets perhaps. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (merkoth) Comments Tight budgets.. http://osnews.com/thread?297156 http://osnews.com/thread?297156 Companies with tight budgets use 'copies' ..they don't exclude themselves from the rest of the world by using software noone else are compatible with. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Brunis) Comments Why buy BeOS... http://osnews.com/thread?297157 http://osnews.com/thread?297157 ...when you could hire a few Haiku hackers? Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (FreeGamer) Comments Comment by Fransexy http://osnews.com/thread?297162 http://osnews.com/thread?297162 I hope they buy it and develop it.It would be pity that this awesome OS die on a drawer in a wharehouse Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Fransexy) Comments New song, same dance? http://osnews.com/thread?297164 http://osnews.com/thread?297164 Not sure what to think about this. Certainly unexpected but I'm not about to hold my breath. A small time company's already smashed dreams of BeOS returning. Meanwhile Haiku creeps closer and closer to filling that void in a way that's considerably harder to take away. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (neowolf) Comments Weird but exciting news http://osnews.com/thread?297165 http://osnews.com/thread?297165 Don't know what to think of this announcement. Possibly it's just a misunderstanding on somebody's part... An office suite company doesn't need a whole OS, they have enough things to worry about regarding the product they have and bringing a heavy giant that an operating system is into the mix isn't going to help anyone. At least I guess they should first concentrate on what they have rather than jumping into OS business... Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Buck) Comments Java version? http://osnews.com/thread?297167 http://osnews.com/thread?297167 A Java version of GoBE Productive? Ugh, that violates practically every BeOS principle about being lightweight and responsive. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sb56637) Comments Why bother with BeOS? http://osnews.com/thread?297168 http://osnews.com/thread?297168 Pay five full-time Haiku developers.

It'll be cheaper, it's got a stronger brand at this point (the project hasn't had two failed commercial ventures around it), it's far more posix-compliant, we have ports underway that BeOS will -choke-and-die- on, we've actually been doing development for the last seven years, and I think the code base is probably on par quality wise.

Bringing back GoBe: Cool!

Trying to resurrect BeOS: Stupid. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bryanv) Comments RE: Java version? http://osnews.com/thread?297169 http://osnews.com/thread?297169 Not if they did it right.

But they won't (hardly anyone does), so you're probably right. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bryanv) Comments well... http://osnews.com/thread?297170 http://osnews.com/thread?297170 with all respect... we have seen articles about this product to be OpenSourced... in 2002...

"The news from the Gobe Software front seem to be slightly sad, but only at first glance. Sad because, Gobe as we know it is no more, as it sold the gobeProductive source code and rights to FreeRadicalSoftware, Inc. However, FreeRadicalSoftware's business plan requires them to GPL the popular office suite, allowing everyone to access gobeProductive's source for Windows, Linux and even BeOS. The official announcement is expected next week. FreeRadicalSoftware was created recently by the ex-boss of Gobe Software, Bruce Hammond, and some other ex-Gobe and non-Gobe people."

seeing is believing... ;) lets wait for the product! Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pistooli) Comments RE: Weird but exciting news http://osnews.com/thread?297171 http://osnews.com/thread?297171 It wouldn't surprise me if what they really are trying to do is license (or buy) the rights to the API.

As I recall, GoBe wrote a massive API wrapper that basically implemented the BeAPI on win32. Without Be, inc. around, and without a license to distribute BeOS, it would make sense to me that they'd need some form of arrangement to keep from violating IP laws in some country with really stupid IP laws and an overly litigious society. Not that I could imagine a place like that existing...

It's probably more that they need to buy the IP rights to the OS's API than it is the OS itself. At this point, I really -hope- that BeOS stays in the dark closet it's been in for seven years. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bryanv) Comments Might be true. http://osnews.com/thread?297172 http://osnews.com/thread?297172 Ive read that the indian government has loong been looking for an indian proprietary OS that follows all INDIAN standards and aquireing one that has the basic requirements for a cheap buck instead of writing everything from scratch seems like a good idea. (like apple did) Lets hope that if this deal goes through and BeOS becomes an indian os, that the famous goverment owned opensource labs and universities would develop for it. Also if gobe decides to develop the OS itself there are some really top notch developers and engineers in india that work for much lower salaries and also the total cost of operations is lower in india than in the US and germany *ahem*
Its not likely that the BeOS is sold though, this feels a bit like a castle in the sky.

But kudos to gobe if they succeed would be awsome with more Be type activites no matter on what they are doing.

Btw, wonder where this money came from.. "We have access to a lot of money and there is a tremendous amount of resources behind us in this project,"
Maybe its the government... Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (judgen) Comments Indian calendar? http://osnews.com/thread?297175 http://osnews.com/thread?297175 Has the indian calendar reached april 1st already? Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (marcof) Comments RE[2]: Weird but exciting news http://osnews.com/thread?297178 http://osnews.com/thread?297178 So you say they still use the same wrapper to this day and when the Java version is produced, they're just gonna add one more (third) layer?
Sounds a bit insane. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Buck) Comments Mmh http://osnews.com/thread?297179 http://osnews.com/thread?297179 To me this "resurrection" is unneeded, I'm trying to figure out what will happen to Haiku, all the posssible implications...

I'm skeptical. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tanner) Comments RE: Java version? http://osnews.com/thread?297183 http://osnews.com/thread?297183 Of course java is not a reasonable solution to make a desktop application. Even OpenOffice does not use java to make the GUI and the core, but C++.

I think that it is stupid compete with Microsoft Office in the windows market. Even if your product is better or is much cheaper, people will not buy it because in the windows world Microsoft Office is THE standard, even if the mots of copies are illegal. Even the free (as free beer) OpenOffice is not advancing much in the windows market.

Linux market is much smaller than windows but there is no commercial alternatives to OpenOffice. Many non-USA governments are changing to linux and ODF and therefor there are chances to someone who makes a good product with ODF support, decent localisation, good documentation, good import filters for Microsoft formats and modest price. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shiva) Comments Exciting.. and unexpected. http://osnews.com/thread?297187 http://osnews.com/thread?297187 I for one dont mind seeing it come back,,, a modernized BeOS... ahh.. I still remember waiting a week for my Beos 4, and the 4.5 update to come in the mail, the speed was amazing on my old Cyrix (remember those?) processor, when nothing else ran worth a damn on it. It was cool being able to play more than 1 high resolution (for the time) video at once with no lag on the system.. I may never use this as a primary os since I dont see it getting floods of software that I use coming, but as alot of us here, its always cool to try an OS that isnt the usual, quite refreshing ;)

Good luck to Gobe, will be watching. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hollovoid) Comments Bernd? http://osnews.com/thread?297190 http://osnews.com/thread?297190 So, who will be given the job of ressurecting BeOS? will they hire Bernd Korz? ;-)Edited 2008-01-22 13:41 UTC Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (yahya) Comments RE: What for? http://osnews.com/thread?297195 http://osnews.com/thread?297195 Couldn't they do that already with the Linux version? That sounds to me like it would be cheaper and faster than purchasing and developing BeOS. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (stew) Comments RE: Bernd? http://osnews.com/thread?297196 http://osnews.com/thread?297196 God I hope not. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bryanv) Comments RE: Weird but exciting news http://osnews.com/thread?297197 http://osnews.com/thread?297197 Hi,

At least I guess they should first concentrate on what they have rather than jumping into OS business...


Perhaps they did - I can't think of any "largish" commercial application company, web browser company, anti-virus company, compiler company and/or emulator/virtualisation company that's made a living from writing Windows software that hasn't also faced direct competition with Microsoft's own application, web browser, anti-virus, compiler and/or emulator/virtualisation products.

With "everything must be Microsoft" on one side and "everything must be open source" on the other side, I'd really hate to be an "applications only" company... Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Brendan) Comments RE[2]: Java version? http://osnews.com/thread?297200 http://osnews.com/thread?297200 I've only ever run into *2* Java programs that were lightweight and responsive. 'South Debugger' that I used to use when I *cough* 'worked' on PalmOS programs and the new Java Wrokflows client from Sirsi Dynix...

Most of the Java programs I see are horribly slow and bloated and don't 'look right' compared to the rest of the programs running. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (helf) Comments RE[2]: Java version? http://osnews.com/thread?297203 http://osnews.com/thread?297203 Java is a perfectly valid platform for making desktop applications. Things have changed a lot with regards to Swing, but people's perceptions are hard to change. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gmlongo) Comments RE: What for? http://osnews.com/thread?297206 http://osnews.com/thread?297206 They probably want a native OS for the sake of national pride, as it has been mentioned. India is one of the bigger tech hubs in the world, yet they still use Operating Systems designed elsewhere. I don't think the low systems specs hurt either.

It could also be a bunch of Be enthusiasts who want to give the code a good home. ;) Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Flatland_Spider) Comments Just installed GobeProductive : ) http://osnews.com/thread?297209 http://osnews.com/thread?297209 Gobe's website gives you the link to download a trial version that runs for 2 month.

Here in the US the Introductory Price is $49.95.

Have fun.

Jello Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jello) Comments RE: Just installed GobeProductive : ) http://osnews.com/thread?297211 http://osnews.com/thread?297211
Gobe's website gives you the link to download a trial version that runs for 2 month.


That's the old, 2001-2003 version. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments RE[2]: What for? http://osnews.com/thread?297212 http://osnews.com/thread?297212
India is one of the bigger tech hubs in the world, yet they still use Operating Systems designed elsewhere.


Well, better choices would have been to support Haiku or create their own Linux distro. They could have donated funds and/or programming help to Haiku which would have helped get the OS done quicker. Or made a Linux distro which would have given them access to many available programs.

Why bring back BeOS now that Haiku is getting closer and closer to being ready for public release? It makes me wonder if BeOS 6 or later & Haiku will still remain compatible after this. I still find BeOS useful today but when Haiku gets close to final release then it is better to drop BeOS & switch over.

As for everyone using Microsoft Office on Windows. That may be true in North America and maybe Europe but in places like India & China people can't afford ( or won't pay for ) Windows & Office. Low cost office solutions will sell better in those parts of the world.Edited 2008-01-22 15:38 UTC Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tonestone57) Comments RE: Why bother with BeOS? http://osnews.com/thread?297213 http://osnews.com/thread?297213 I don't think it's stupid, but they'd need to do some things right. First, they'd have to tie it to hardware (Operating Systems are sold with hardware - almost exclusively - why don't business people get that?)

Second, they'd need to have good marketing to sell that hardware - and a good suite of programs (this is essentially what Apple has been doing).

If it were me, I'd try to figure out how to target gamers, but BeOS isn't really ready for that. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Touvan) Comments RE[2]: Why bother with BeOS? http://osnews.com/thread?297214 http://osnews.com/thread?297214
Operating Systems are sold with hardware - almost exclusively - why don't business people get that?


Because the company that decoupled those is now the biggest and most successful software company in the world? Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments RE[2]: Just installed GobeProductive : ) http://osnews.com/thread?297215 http://osnews.com/thread?297215 Ups, didn't know that. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jello) Comments Resurrect http://osnews.com/thread?297216 http://osnews.com/thread?297216 the f#@&ing thing, gpl it and merge with Haiku. MS is getting more and more irrelevant. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fithisux) Comments RE[3]: Why bother with BeOS? http://osnews.com/thread?297217 http://osnews.com/thread?297217 add "... because they tied in OEM vendors" and it'll be fine ;) Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (makc) Comments RE: Mmh http://osnews.com/thread?297218 http://osnews.com/thread?297218 Me too. I wonder what the market will behave having both comercial and open OSes. What direction will it take.

For one thing I hope they release and support GoBe Productive for BeOS again. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jarzac) Comments RE: Java version? http://osnews.com/thread?297220 http://osnews.com/thread?297220
A Java version of GoBE Productive? Ugh, that violates practically every BeOS principle about being lightweight and responsive.


That's okay, everyone else has already abandoned the philosophy behind the BeOS with this strange fetish for backwards compatibility... Wasn't the BeOS where the developers decided to remove the cruft by tearing everything down and starting from scratch using new technologies?

Or did my copy of In the Beginning Was the Command Line lie to me?

--bornagainpenguinEdited 2008-01-22 16:12 UTC Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bornagainenguin) Comments RE[3]: What for? http://osnews.com/thread?297221 http://osnews.com/thread?297221
Why bring back BeOS now that Haiku is getting closer and closer to being ready for public release?

Yeah, that's what's bothering me too. Even if they manage to buy everything, they're still stuck with a code that is several years old, contains many bugs and hard to maintain/program (remember that BeOS was/is unlike many OSes out there). So unless they miraculously find many prolific developers who dig all the multithreading stuff and have BeOS programming expreience... well... they're stuck with an old exotic car.
Equally worrying is that even if they pull it off, there may be compatibility problems with Haiku as people have already mentioned however it's unlikely that any developer would target that platform if that's the case... If it's for India, then it's really strange nobody's bothered to do any research and find that Haiku exists and just greenlit some random proposal some guys threw at them...
Certainly somebody's just mistranslated some Indian press-release... Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Buck) Comments Will Access sell? http://osnews.com/thread?297223 http://osnews.com/thread?297223 Didn't Access say they wouldn't sell the rights to BeOS "even if someone put a million dollars on their doorstep"? Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Invincible Cow) Comments RE: Will Access sell? http://osnews.com/thread?297227 http://osnews.com/thread?297227 They could sell exclusive license but keep the IP. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zizban) Comments Wha, huh?! http://osnews.com/thread?297228 http://osnews.com/thread?297228 I just woke up, or atleast I thought so, until I saw this post :O They're going to buy BeOS? For what? If they plan on selling the thing I seriously doubt they'll make very far.. Why? Well, there are already like a gazillion OSes available, both free and commercial, and BeOS is already very aged in comparison to either. Average users don't even know that name anymore, they know "Mac" or "Windows" (or just plain "my PC"?) and for OS enthusiasts..well, there is already Haiku which is not only free but you can just start hacking on it and have fun, you get direct access to the devs on IRC etc..

Maybe I am just short-sighted but unless they're planning to give BeOS away for free I just can't imagine it competing with pretty much anything that's available already. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WereCatf) Comments RE: Comment by Fransexy http://osnews.com/thread?297229 http://osnews.com/thread?297229 Excuse me! In a whorehouse?? Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (theine) Comments RE: Resurrect http://osnews.com/thread?297233 http://osnews.com/thread?297233 the f#@&ing thing, gpl it and merge with Haiku.

gpl is the best way to render it useles to haiku ;) Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (smashIt) Comments Comment by netpython http://osnews.com/thread?297235 http://osnews.com/thread?297235 Unlike the MS Office, GoBe has everything in the same window; there is no need to click open different applications.

Also, GoBe is not a diskspace-sucker: it takes up just 20MB to load, and just 48MB of RAM to run. The Office XP needs a minimum 210MB diskspace and 128MB RAM.

I'm willing to pay for a quality product that launches faster then let's say OpenOffice yet has all you could possibly need in one window. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (netpython) Comments RE[3]: Weird but exciting news http://osnews.com/thread?297240 http://osnews.com/thread?297240 No, I don't expect them to use the same wrapper. what? Huh? I didn't say anything like that.

I have no idea how they'll do it with java.

What I meant to say, was that if they did it in java 'correctly', there wouldn't be a performance problem. People's preconceived notion that java apps are slow are outright incorrect. The technology has matured. Any 'slownesss' in a java app that I've ever seen has been from stupid programmers. Even in the old apps that did feel a bit sluggish, it was because people were doing stupid, stupid things like executing expensive operations on the event handling thread which is still a commonality among idiot programmers. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bryanv) Comments RE[2]: Just installed GobeProductive : ) http://osnews.com/thread?297241 http://osnews.com/thread?297241 What, you think there's a new version?

I'd be surprised if they did any more than just change a few string and image resources and recompile. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bryanv) Comments RE: Will Access sell? http://osnews.com/thread?297254 http://osnews.com/thread?297254 How much do you think they bought the rights for in the first place? I sincerely doubt it's less than that: therefore, a million bucks would be a loss, and it isn't incompatible that someone could come along and buy the rights to the IP or at least to license it, given there were enough zeroes after a non-zero number ;) Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JonathanBThompson) Comments Well, they could just use Haiku... http://osnews.com/thread?297255 http://osnews.com/thread?297255 ...and backport parts of the "real" BeOS code where needed. It seems like Haiku uses the MIT license, which is functionally just like the BSD license in that it allows people to create proprietary forks of the code with no retributions whenever they want.. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (madcrow) Comments RE[3]: What for? http://osnews.com/thread?297257 http://osnews.com/thread?297257
Well, better choices would have been to support Haiku or create their own Linux distro.


We think that would be a better idea, but they might have weighted the options and come to a different conclusion. Honestly I have no idea what they are planning on doing, so I can't say what would be better choices.

Low cost office solutions will sell better in those parts of the world.


I think that is essentially what they are aiming at. An EEE PC with lower specs or something embedded using BeIA like MS Sync, WinMobile, etc. The original author touched on that, so I didn't feel like repeating it.

My best guess is the BeOS enthusiasts at GoBe have convinced some people with money to try to purchase the holy relic that is BeOS code. What they plan to do with it, I have no idea. Maybe print it out and snuggle up to it at night. ;) Edited 2008-01-22 21:16 UTC Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Flatland_Spider) Comments RE[3]: Why bother with BeOS? http://osnews.com/thread?297267 http://osnews.com/thread?297267 That's all fine and dandy, but they did that through OEM contracts. Fact is, they still sell their Operating System, almost exclusively, tied with hardware - just like I said previously. :-)

BTW, mentioning their decoupling, strengthens my position, because MS abuses their monopoly position to keep alternatives off of the machines of those very same OEMs (admittedly, that position has weakened ever so slightly in the last few years).

As far as I can tell, the only way to take on a company like that is through lobbying oversight bodies (governments). If you really wanted to take them on in the private sector, Apple's model seems to be the only way to go. If you can't get OEMs to use your alternative product, you'd have to be your own OEM (and I don't mean to say you need to be as locked down as Apple often is, that's all them). Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Touvan) Comments RE[2]: Why bother with BeOS? http://osnews.com/thread?297325 http://osnews.com/thread?297325 Why worry about hardware in the coming age of Transparent Paravirtualization? http://www.vmware.com/interfaces/paravirtualization.html Wed, 23 Jan 2008 07:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cpiral) Comments