OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19196/W3C_Publishes_HTML_5_Draft Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:14:54 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Comment by mono http://osnews.com/thread?297300 http://osnews.com/thread?297300 I need typeface support.. bored of arial, verdana, times... Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mono) Comments strict and only HTML http://osnews.com/thread?297301 http://osnews.com/thread?297301 I'll be excited when they give up the "design by committee" and impose a strict unambiguous XML HTML.

Such a HTML standard would:

* fail pages with even minor errors - lets have the end of lazy and lax coding.

* provide a standard set of comprehensive tests which would certify browsers, both by capability and correctness but also performance. This may mean versions of browsers may fail or regress - it would also point the finger at non-compliance from browsers such as MSIE.

* do away with all presentation tags - HTML for content only, CSS for styling.

In the absence of the above, HTML5 will not have addressed the biggest problems of the previous standards. The biggest pain is divergent browsers and the refusal to accept responsibility. A strict and unambiguous HTML would finally point the finger where it belongs. Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (project_2501) Comments Resolution Independence in HTML 5 http://osnews.com/thread?297310 http://osnews.com/thread?297310 What is the W3C doing to ensure that this new standard will work on high DPI monitors and that we will have resolution independence for all devices? I'm not a web designer or programmer so I may be missing something here. Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (asupcb) Comments RE: Resolution Independence in HTML 5 http://osnews.com/thread?297318 http://osnews.com/thread?297318 That's more of an OS problem than something that needs to be addressed in HTML. Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Johann Chua) Comments RE[2]: Resolution Independence in HTML 5 http://osnews.com/thread?297338 http://osnews.com/thread?297338 Not really. If you specify something in pixels e.g. font sizes, column widths, images then it makes things much harder for the OS. It has to scale things based on pixel density which I think will lead to differences between OS's because of implementation.

But really sites need to be designed in terms of flexible units that the user can easily scale and preferably provide default dimensions in terms of some unit of length. I think pts are fine for text.

Then you can setup your style sheets for different device types. Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (andrewg) Comments RE: Resolution Independence in HTML 5 http://osnews.com/thread?297347 http://osnews.com/thread?297347
What is the W3C doing to ensure that this new standard will work on high DPI monitors and that we will have resolution independence for all devices? I'm not a web designer or programmer so I may be missing something here.


SVG perhaps? Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (RawMustard) Comments RE[2]: Resolution Independence in HTML 5 http://osnews.com/thread?297389 http://osnews.com/thread?297389
SVG perhaps?


That was my exact thought when reading article:) Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Punktyras) Comments Sigh... http://osnews.com/thread?297399 http://osnews.com/thread?297399 I truly don't get why they waste resources to make another "standard" when we've already got XHTML. Website developers, it's really not that hard to make your site XHTML compliant. Get off your lazy asses and work for once instead of bitching about backwards compatibility! People will always need to upgrade their software anyway. Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (1c3d0g) Comments RE: Comment by mono http://osnews.com/thread?297406 http://osnews.com/thread?297406 Arial, Verdana and Times? Don't you mean serif, sans-serif and mono? That's something up to the browsers to choose which typeface to use for those types. And you can use CSS and tell the browser to use wichever font you want to use as long as you fall back to one of the standard fonts if the user doesn't have the font you want to use.

It would be nice tough if you could upload your desired font to the server and have the browser download the font from the server. But It would have to be implemented outside of the HTML markup, IMHO.

Something like:
element {font-family: url('/font-url.ttf');}
would be my wish.
edit:should have used the preview button.Edited 2008-01-23 17:24 UTC Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (joelito_pr) Comments RE: strict and only HTML http://osnews.com/thread?297407 http://osnews.com/thread?297407 What you want is XHTML 1.1 or 2 with the correct application/xhtml+xml MIME type. Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (joelito_pr) Comments RE: Sigh... http://osnews.com/thread?297424 http://osnews.com/thread?297424 "why they waste resources to make another "standard" when we've already got XHTML"

The existing XHTML standard is fine as long as it fulfills all the needs, hopes and expectations of web developers and Internet users. However, obviously that is not always the case. HTML5 offers lots of promising new features and improvements that can improve Internet for both developers and users. Besides, HTML5 is based on XHTML, so it is not so much replacing the XHTML standard but trying to improve it.

My main worry is if a few big corporations were allowed to dictate the web and other standards (for example, what kind of multimedia is supported directly in HTML, only a couple of proprietary formats or also more open multimedia formats?). Why should a few corporate bosses have the power to dictate to all others on the planet how the Internet should be developed and used? Of course big corporations are important and worth listening to. But we don't live on this planet only to serve the interest of a few corporations - but instead, the mission of those big corporations should be to serve us, people.Edited 2008-01-23 20:55 UTC Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (irbis) Comments RE[2]: Comment by mono http://osnews.com/thread?297563 http://osnews.com/thread?297563 It would be nice tough if you could upload your desired font to the server and have the browser download the font from the server. But It would have to be implemented outside of the HTML markup, IMHO.

You can do this already and have been able to for a long time. There are a few different ways of doing it but unfortunately different implementations work to varying degrees on different browsers. Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (abraxas) Comments