OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19705/McBride_Linux_Is_a_Copy_of_UNIX_ Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:33:23 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com They lost the plot a long time ago http://osnews.com/thread?312473 http://osnews.com/thread?312473 You would have thought that SCO would at least get their stories straight after all this time. If their head honchos can't tell the same story then they are weel and truly up the creek without a paddle.
There are many people who want sco to lose and do so badly but I expect that they all thought that a better fight would be put up when they got their day in court.

IANAL etc, but if they continue to contradict themselves they will severely limit their ground for an appeal in the future. That always assumes they have not gone to Chap 7 by then... Thu, 01 May 2008 20:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shotsman) Comments Darl http://osnews.com/thread?312475 http://osnews.com/thread?312475 I think everyone who has ever seen the sun, including Darl, knows that this was just a ploy to begin with, but Darl can't ever admit that because it would put him in a variety of hot water.

We don't tend to punish people for being the town idiot, but we do punish people for doing things like taking advantage of the stock market, etc.

Darl is doomed to parrot this nonsense the rest of his life, I think. Thu, 01 May 2008 20:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Clinton) Comments SCO is dead http://osnews.com/thread?312478 http://osnews.com/thread?312478 SCO is dead, he only state things, as did Steve Balmer. The matter that most Linux users don't care. Even enterprises. The same happened when MS was attacked cause they break the MP3 patent. The user are not concerned. The buzz-word is Linux, the good thing is only that peoples cares about Linux and make them known with all that words, instead to get that fear! OS X is "very Linux like, very much so!" look at the first presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko4V3G4NqII (is Linux-like). The thing that matters, is that process-separation, and etc. are like Unix from '77, but what matter, is that Linux is not at the '77 year level. As not Windows is at level of Windows 3.1 + OS/2. That is the foundation, but is not the OS/2, is much more improved.

SCO itself instead innovating will die as a bad image company, a company that will not compete with software, they compete with patents! Even they say that they bought the Unix copyrights, and is true, the image itself is bad: which company will take patents to sue you! What happend when Macrosoft, when will attack FreeDos, or Wine cause they emulate their stack of software? Or a company will say: TCP-IP is patented, and no one may use it without paying for it?

So, I will not care much on SCO if they will not offer more than patents portofolio!

SCO needs grow, elsewhere is a dead company for me and I will never buy it Linux or Unix from them if I will know that I will remain locked in with SCO. Migrating to any other simialar OS means to care on patent issues, so no reason to risk my future with a lock-in.

I will not take the today convenience for headache for tomorrow. Edited 2008-05-01 20:56 UTC Thu, 01 May 2008 20:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ciplogic) Comments Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312480 http://osnews.com/thread?312480 "Linux Is a Copy of UNIX"

I thought this was common knowledge? Thu, 01 May 2008 20:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kittynipples) Comments Darl's A Dick http://osnews.com/thread?312481 http://osnews.com/thread?312481 When will he shut up? Thu, 01 May 2008 20:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (yakirz) Comments RE: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312483 http://osnews.com/thread?312483
"Linux Is a Copy of UNIX"

I thought this was common knowledge?


And only copying someone's ideas to make something similar, or exactly the same, is *not* the same as copying copyrighted works ;)

Thus Darl is a moron if he believes this is why Linux is wrong. Thu, 01 May 2008 21:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (umccullough) Comments RE[2]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312485 http://osnews.com/thread?312485 > And only copying someone's ideas to make something similar, or exactly the same

Linux implement POSIX. Linux does not copy Unix.
It's like Firefox implementing HTML. Firefox is not copying IE, It's just implementing HTML. Thu, 01 May 2008 21:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (superman) Comments This again? http://osnews.com/thread?312486 http://osnews.com/thread?312486 I thought the amusement was over months ago... Thu, 01 May 2008 21:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (orestes) Comments Linux is a copy of UNIX?? http://osnews.com/thread?312487 http://osnews.com/thread?312487 What crack is he smoking? If he truly believes this, then I have to wonder what the hell he thinks BSD is. Thu, 01 May 2008 21:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Morgan) Comments Comment by steveh2005 http://osnews.com/thread?312489 http://osnews.com/thread?312489 I suppose then that if McBride had twin daughters, he'd think they're the same girl! Thu, 01 May 2008 21:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (steveh2005) Comments RE: Linux is a copy of UNIX?? http://osnews.com/thread?312490 http://osnews.com/thread?312490 If I had to take a WAG, he probably considers BSD to be a less easy target with less deep pockets. Thu, 01 May 2008 21:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (anomie) Comments RE[3]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312491 http://osnews.com/thread?312491 No, Firefox is copying Netscape, and both Netscape and IE are copying Mosaic, however, only one of them had to use Mosaic code to do it. The other line was innovative enough to implement it on their own. Thu, 01 May 2008 21:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (amadensor) Comments RE: Linux is a copy of UNIX?? http://osnews.com/thread?312492 http://osnews.com/thread?312492 I do wonder what he thinks about BSD too Thu, 01 May 2008 22:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (almahdi) Comments RE[4]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312496 http://osnews.com/thread?312496 Ouch...IE innovative? Thu, 01 May 2008 22:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aesiamun) Comments RE[4]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312497 http://osnews.com/thread?312497 Correction: only one company was innovative enough to buy another company's code and rename it Internet Explorer. Thu, 01 May 2008 22:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pompous stranger) Comments RE[2]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312499 http://osnews.com/thread?312499 Welcome to reality, copy something of the behaviour of Apples beloved OS and they will sue you until the end of the world ;) Thu, 01 May 2008 22:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Oliver) Comments RE[3]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312500 http://osnews.com/thread?312500 Well HTML is free, try to implement e.g. H264 and sell the product. Tadaaaa, so it has nothing to do if you implement something, but if it's free to use! Thu, 01 May 2008 22:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Oliver) Comments RE: Comment by steveh2005 http://osnews.com/thread?312501 http://osnews.com/thread?312501 well, they'd have the same Look and Feel (c/tm) ^_^

ok, I'm going to hell for that one. Thu, 01 May 2008 22:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (helf) Comments RE[2]: Linux is a copy of UNIX?? http://osnews.com/thread?312502 http://osnews.com/thread?312502 Do you remember the trial between AT&T and BSDI back in the nineties? Well it's important, the clarified it out of court. And guess why? Because there is (was) lots of BSD code in UNIX ;)

http://www.lemis.com/grog/SCO/code-comparison.html

"The second example says nothing about Linux, since it's obviously not SCO code. It does, however, suggest that SCO is abusing the BSD license" Thu, 01 May 2008 22:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Oliver) Comments RE[2]: Linux is a copy of UNIX?? http://osnews.com/thread?312503 http://osnews.com/thread?312503 http://www.lemis.com/grog/SCO/code-comparison.html

If you have a single clue about the heritage of BSD you wouldn't ask such a silly question. Thu, 01 May 2008 22:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Oliver) Comments Comment by sonic2000gr http://osnews.com/thread?312505 http://osnews.com/thread?312505
Linux is a copy of UNIX, there is no difference [between them].


McBride is a bad copy of human DNA. Someone revoke the license, please... Thu, 01 May 2008 23:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sonic2000gr) Comments RE[3]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312507 http://osnews.com/thread?312507
Welcome to reality, copy something of the behaviour of Apples beloved OS and they will sue you until the end of the world ;)


That isn't copyright infringement (unless you copied their logo and/or artwork directly) - that's trademark and/or patent infringement.

These are completely different topics. It's unfortunate that people get those mixed up so much.

edit: added clarification on logo/artworkEdited 2008-05-01 23:25 UTC Thu, 01 May 2008 23:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (umccullough) Comments RE[4]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312510 http://osnews.com/thread?312510 Wasn't Mozilla a spin off of Netscape or something like that?

Sadly IE, until version 8, hasn't done very well (from a technical point of view) at making a really good quality browser that supports generally accepted standards laid out by the W3C. Of course that hasn't hurt it's ability to dominate the market, but it's made designing a compliant website a lot hard. Thanks for the innovation Microsoft. We could've done it without you. ;) Thu, 01 May 2008 23:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (systyrant) Comments RE: Darl's A Dick http://osnews.com/thread?312511 http://osnews.com/thread?312511 Never. Like you didn't know that. Thu, 01 May 2008 23:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (systyrant) Comments I wonder when Microsoft will sue ... http://osnews.com/thread?312512 http://osnews.com/thread?312512 ... the ReactOS team for "copying" "their" system? Thu, 01 May 2008 23:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (autumnlover) Comments RE: Comment by sonic2000gr http://osnews.com/thread?312513 http://osnews.com/thread?312513 He's a good argument against cloning isn't he. ;) Thu, 01 May 2008 23:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (systyrant) Comments RE: I wonder when Microsoft will sue ... http://osnews.com/thread?312514 http://osnews.com/thread?312514 When it gains traction and they can make an example out of them. Thu, 01 May 2008 23:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (systyrant) Comments RE[2]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312515 http://osnews.com/thread?312515
""Linux Is a Copy of UNIX" I thought this was common knowledge?
And only copying someone's ideas to make something similar, or exactly the same, is *not* the same as copying copyrighted works ;) Thus Darl is a moron if he believes this is why Linux is wrong. "

Linux isn't wrong ... in exactly the same way that any collaboration isn't wrong.

If we didn't have collaborative works ... there would be no innternational telephone network. There would be no shipping. There would be no international flights.

There would be no food industry, no agriculture. There would be no industry at all, in fact, without collaboration and working interfaces between the efforts of separate parties.

Collaboration ... in the sense of many parties working together to make separate small pieces work well together to form a wider system ... is an essential engineering process. Without it, our species would revert to living in caves.

Linux implement POSIX. Linux does not copy Unix.
It's like Firefox implementing HTML. Firefox is not copying IE, It's just implementing HTML.


Exactly so. Linux is a collaborative work of many parties ... it is an operating system that implements the POSIX standards.

There is nothing at all "wrong" with that in any way at all ... despite the greed and delusions of some corporate money-grubbing types. Thu, 01 May 2008 23:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments RE[4]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312516 http://osnews.com/thread?312516
No, Firefox is copying Netscape, and both Netscape and IE are copying Mosaic, however, only one of them had to use Mosaic code to do it. The other line was innovative enough to implement it on their own.


No. You have the wrong idea here.

"Copying" in a legal sense (ie in order to violate copyright) requires that there be a direct copy of the lines of code. There are no lines of code from Mosaic in Netscape. There are probably no lines of code left from Netscape in Firefox.

Just because two things perform the same function does not mean they are copies of one another.

Is a diesel engine the same as a gas turbine engine (aka a jet engine)? No? Is either one the same as a petrol engine? No? Are they copies of one another ... of course not. Yet all three of these different engine types burn hydrocarbon fuels and produce rotary motion.Edited 2008-05-01 23:53 UTC Thu, 01 May 2008 23:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments RE[3]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312519 http://osnews.com/thread?312519
Welcome to reality, copy something of the behaviour of Apples beloved OS and they will sue you until the end of the world ;)


Apple's beloved OS isn't a public standard.

POSIX is a public standard. Thu, 01 May 2008 23:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments Comment by ml2mst http://osnews.com/thread?312520 http://osnews.com/thread?312520 Wasn't his real name McBribe and shouldn't his company be written as $ Fri, 02 May 2008 00:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ml2mst) Comments RE: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312532 http://osnews.com/thread?312532 linux is a *reimplementation* of unix. freebsd is closer to a copy of an actual unix. Fri, 02 May 2008 01:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ari-free) Comments RE: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312537 http://osnews.com/thread?312537 It's not common knowledge because it isn't.
Linux is a unix-like OS that conforms, to various degrees, with the POSIX standards. Fri, 02 May 2008 03:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Soulbender) Comments RE[5]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312538 http://osnews.com/thread?312538
Wasn't Mozilla a spin off of Netscape or something like that?


Sort of...but I dont think Mozilla and Netscape were ever 2 separate entities competing with each other.
Netscape basically opened their source code and I'm not sure of the exact link between netscape and the mozilla foundation but they were linked. So its more like mozilla is the successor of netscape, rather than one company COPYing another company's product.
in the case of IE, microsoft basically licensed someone else's code (spyglass Inc's Mosaic, then the most popular browser) and modified it to make Internet Explorer. I'm not sure how much (if any) of that original code still exists in IE however so its probably fair to say that both IE and Mozilla in their current forms are original products.

As for Linux being a copy of unix...its been public knowledge that linux was created to duplicate many UNIX API's etc (or POSIX) so that UNIX apps could run under it. There was no copying of code as such.

I believe the whole case has nothing to do with Linux or SCO and everything to do with how much SCO execs made from messing with the stock market. What we are seeing now is just people doing what they need to do to avoid being found out...just an opinion... Fri, 02 May 2008 03:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pixel8r) Comments Dear me... http://osnews.com/thread?312541 http://osnews.com/thread?312541 ... Microsoft server 2008 is already arrived?

My, how time flies when you're having fun does it not? Fri, 02 May 2008 03:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (capricorn_tm) Comments RE[3]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312544 http://osnews.com/thread?312544 And then reality answers back that Apple already sued Microsoft and lost. Fri, 02 May 2008 04:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (javiercero1) Comments this is getting old http://osnews.com/thread?312548 http://osnews.com/thread?312548 it's not a copy. their is no UNIX code in linux. Fri, 02 May 2008 06:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (happycamper) Comments RE: this is getting old http://osnews.com/thread?312550 http://osnews.com/thread?312550
it's not a copy. their is no UNIX code in linux.


It was already old five years ago.

SCO said to IBM: "Linux is a copy of UNIX".

IBM said: "Show us where".

SCO said: "No, we won't. Give us money".

... at that point, all of five years ago, we already knew that there is no UNIX code in linux. Fri, 02 May 2008 06:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments RE[4]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312554 http://osnews.com/thread?312554 Actually, Firfox *is* Netscape, at least it's based on Netscape's source code.

IE *is* Mosaic "Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign." (From IE6 About... box), although IE7 apparently no longer contains any Mosaic code, it is still highly likely to have design/structure features inherited from Mosaic.

Netscape did copy Mosaic to an extent, but Mosaic was far from the first graphic web browser (WorldWideWeb, ViolaWWW and Erwise all pre-dated it). Fri, 02 May 2008 08:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mallard) Comments RE: I wonder when Microsoft will sue ... http://osnews.com/thread?312577 http://osnews.com/thread?312577
... the ReactOS team for "copying" "their" system?


That's why they have standards as to how code can get into their system. For example, there was a really big audit of their code recently - shut down work on the project for a while to my understanding - to help prevent Microsoft from being able to make any claims as such (patents, etc. aside) like SCO is trying (and failing) with Linux. Fri, 02 May 2008 15:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TemporalBeing) Comments RE[5]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312580 http://osnews.com/thread?312580 I wondered if he wasn't implying the opposite.. hard to tell as Netscape used some NCSA Mosaic code while Internet Explorer used some Spyglass Mosaic code.

EDIT should have read the other pages. Seems this has been addressed already ;) Edited 2008-05-02 15:32 UTC Fri, 02 May 2008 15:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MamiyaOtaru) Comments McBride is a copy. http://osnews.com/thread?312581 http://osnews.com/thread?312581 McBride is a copy of an ape. Fri, 02 May 2008 15:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (silicon) Comments RE[6]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312582 http://osnews.com/thread?312582 Mark Andreessen co wrote Mosaic and he then co founded netscape. I'm fairly certain that netscape is based on the original Mosaic Communicator...or is the original mosaic communicator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Communications_Corporation#Ea...

Specifically:
'The Mosaic Netscape web browser utilized some NCSA Mosaic code with NCSA's permission, as noted in the application's "About" dialog box. 'Edited 2008-05-02 15:49 UTC Fri, 02 May 2008 15:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aesiamun) Comments RE[5]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312583 http://osnews.com/thread?312583 wrong...

'The Mosaic Netscape web browser utilized some NCSA Mosaic code with NCSA's permission, as noted in the application's "About" dialog box. '

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Communications_Corporation#Ea... Fri, 02 May 2008 15:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aesiamun) Comments Huh... http://osnews.com/thread?312588 http://osnews.com/thread?312588 Not exactly sure why anyone would be amazed that Daryl would say that... I mean he led his company down the garden path of threatening it's market, and tangling with giants.

Anything he does at this point is just staying the course. Fri, 02 May 2008 17:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (skwirlmaster) Comments Apples and Oranges http://osnews.com/thread?312589 http://osnews.com/thread?312589 As mentioned above, UNIX is a specification. There are different implementations of that specification (or a specific version of the specification, to be exact), and only the Open Group (iirc) can "bless" ann implementation as UNIX. Linux, on the other hand is a unix-like OS. It implements much of the POSIX standard.

There is no such thing as the "UNIX" code. You can't copy "UNIX" code into your OS, it does not exists. However, there implementations of the standard that can be called UNIX. Thus, it would be more appropriate (technically, not actually) to say Linux is a copy of AIX, or Linux is a copy of SCO Openserver. Or you could say Linux took System V code. But you cannot say Linux is a copy of UNIX. Unless you are Darl, of course! Fri, 02 May 2008 18:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments Where does Darl shop? http://osnews.com/thread?312590 http://osnews.com/thread?312590 I don't see many Unix programming books, but there is a load of Linux Programming books. Maybe bookstores in Utah are different! Fri, 02 May 2008 18:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments We all know ... http://osnews.com/thread?312593 http://osnews.com/thread?312593 We all know a certain CEO of bankrupt company is a complete and total ID10T.

What ID10T and his group of ID10Ts were trying to do is to create a "golden retirement parachute" from the Linux and Unix legal suit they had in their mind's eye.

They took on IBM and IBM took their collective butts to task. Now they are up against Novell, which, by ruling, owns UNIX, not SCO, and it will be great to watch the village ID10T get his butt spanked again. Fri, 02 May 2008 18:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mind!dagger) Comments RE: Dear me... http://osnews.com/thread?312595 http://osnews.com/thread?312595 it says "Application Anywhere"

http://www.microsoft.com/heroeshappenhere/testdrive/windows-server-...

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"Application Anywhere" fails to run oh cant be anywhere then can it... Fri, 02 May 2008 19:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hyperdaz) Comments Wasn't Darl removed from SCO? http://osnews.com/thread?312596 http://osnews.com/thread?312596 I thought Darl McBride was going to be replaced - have plans changed or has this just not happened yet?

http://osnews.com/story/19433/McBride_Ousted_at_SCO_Lawsuits_To_Con... Fri, 02 May 2008 19:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (raboof) Comments RE[5]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312597 http://osnews.com/thread?312597 To be fair, the X in ajax came from ie, inner/outerHTML came from ie, element.style.cssProp syntax came from ie.

IE was innovative once upon a time, it just hasn't been for close to a decade or so Fri, 02 May 2008 19:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (google_ninja) Comments RE: Apples and Oranges http://osnews.com/thread?312598 http://osnews.com/thread?312598 POSIX is a standard, UNIX is a trademark Fri, 02 May 2008 19:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (google_ninja) Comments RE[2]: Apples and Oranges http://osnews.com/thread?312600 http://osnews.com/thread?312600 But in order you call your product by the trademarked name "UNIX", you must implement the Single UNIX Specification (currently version 3). So, to split hairs, I am referring to the Single UNIX Specification. Woohoo! Fri, 02 May 2008 20:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments RE: Wasn't Darl removed from SCO? http://osnews.com/thread?312601 http://osnews.com/thread?312601 It's explained here, along with some other interesting history regarding Darl McBride that I did not know before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darl_McBride Fri, 02 May 2008 20:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sbergman27) Comments RE: Apples and Oranges http://osnews.com/thread?312631 http://osnews.com/thread?312631
As mentioned above, UNIX is a specification. There are different implementations of that specification (or a specific version of the specification, to be exact), and only the Open Group (iirc) can "bless" ann implementation as UNIX. Linux, on the other hand is a unix-like OS. It implements much of the POSIX standard.

There is no such thing as the "UNIX" code. You can't copy "UNIX" code into your OS, it does not exists. However, there implementations of the standard that can be called UNIX. Thus, it would be more appropriate (technically, not actually) to say Linux is a copy of AIX, or Linux is a copy of SCO Openserver. Or you could say Linux took System V code. But you cannot say Linux is a copy of UNIX. Unless you are Darl, of course!


Sigh!

Linux is not a copy of AIX, and Linux is not a copy of SCO Openserver, and Linux is not a copy of any UNIX.

Linux is a new codebase, built from the ground up. It is a mostly-compliant implementation of the POSIX standard.

Just like the situation where, even though both Fords and Hondas have petrol-driven engines, a Honda engine is not a copy of a Ford engine, so too is Linux NOT a copy of any other POSIX compliant OS.

Period.

Get this word "copy" right out of your head.

Linux is an mostly-complete re-implementation of the POSIX standard, written by collaboration over the Internet (mostly via mailing lists) starting from the efforts of Linus Torvalds in about 1990.Edited 2008-05-03 00:55 UTC Sat, 03 May 2008 00:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments RE[5]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312635 http://osnews.com/thread?312635
Wasn't Mozilla a spin off of Netscape or something like that?

Yes, as I understand Netscape released the source and the mozilla project started.

If I remember correctly, around the beginning of mozilla 1.5, major changes were made that broke how many sites with tables, etc.. looked. Then those issues were fixed in 1.7 just in time for Firefox 1.0 release.Edited 2008-05-03 01:57 UTC Sat, 03 May 2008 01:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hussam) Comments RE: They lost the plot a long time ago http://osnews.com/thread?312636 http://osnews.com/thread?312636 In all fairness to him Chris Sontag has moved on and is now working for a different company. It is not in his interest to lie in order to maintain a unified front for SCO against Novell, IBM and RedHat. Attempting to do so now would only risk getting nailed as a criminal perpetrator, co-conspirator or accessory. His testimony rings true to me since he was a PR guy and not a real techno-type. He is no longer part of the fraud ; trying to help them now would no doubt endanger his present job unless he needs to display some misplaced sense of loyalty in order to stay with his current employer. That will be Darl's only functional future resume highlight: I'm not afraid to lie when it's needed by the company!

Darl has to continue to try to maintain the facade that SCO acted reasonably and responsibly and that this is all just a big mistake on the part of those counter-suing and/or making Lanham Act claims against SCO. But once the [counterclaim] prosecution lawyer got him to assert that what he put in the SEC filings was true then what he is saying now about licensing fees, the meaning of the licensing agreements and the relative values of SysVrX and Unixware of code must be false. Sat, 03 May 2008 02:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (glarepate) Comments RE: Apples and Oranges http://osnews.com/thread?312637 http://osnews.com/thread?312637 Well, you are wrong in your argument. BSD, SunOS, HP-UX, AIX, IRIX were all forked from the Unix Time Sharing System at one time or another. They probably do not contain much of that old code if any at all but most recent direct descendant is Novell UnixWare from 2004. Sat, 03 May 2008 03:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (miscz) Comments And in recent news... http://osnews.com/thread?312651 http://osnews.com/thread?312651 McBride is a babbling idiotic fool!

Is he Steve Ballmer's twin by any chance?

Dave Sat, 03 May 2008 06:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (melkor) Comments RE: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312714 http://osnews.com/thread?312714 UNIX is a family of similar operating systems and a trademark not an implementation. A set of specifications and tradition defines what UNIX is, not the origin of its source code.

To say that Linux is a copy of UNIX makes no sence. You could say that Linux is an implementation of UNIX or that Linux is a copy of SYSV.

Linux is not certified as a UNIX implementation but there is no theoretical reason to stop a Linux vendor to get a UNIX certification. Sat, 03 May 2008 21:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (xylifyx) Comments RE[3]: Comment by kittynipples http://osnews.com/thread?312812 http://osnews.com/thread?312812
> And only copying someone's ideas to make something similar, or exactly the same

Linux implement POSIX. Linux does not copy Unix.
It's like Firefox implementing HTML. Firefox is not copying IE, It's just implementing HTML.


Linux mostly implements POSIX. Sun, 04 May 2008 22:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments Firefox http://osnews.com/thread?312936 http://osnews.com/thread?312936 Mozilla was a "copy" of Netscape. Firefox was redesigned from the ground up to replace Mozilla. Mon, 05 May 2008 20:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Novan_Leon) Comments