OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19794/KDE_4_1_Beta_1_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2012, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:42:52 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com KDE rocks! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315808 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315808 Congratulations KDE people, and thanks for making KDE4 the best DE ever ;) Tue, 27 May 2008 18:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (diegoviola) Comments not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315819 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315819 i'm testing kde daily; i've rebuilt SVN every 3 days since 3.96 (kde4 betas), and let me tell you...

IT IS A MESS!!!

gladly it is growing fast...
it will be ready for joe user until 4.2
for kde users it is a good release...

congrats kde team! Tue, 27 May 2008 18:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (enzobelmont) Comments RE: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315823 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315823 Ah, so it's not 4.1, it's 4.2 now that will be the real KDE4 huh? ;)

To be honest, it still looks very unpolished in a lot of spots. Tue, 27 May 2008 19:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sappyvcv) Comments RE: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315825 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315825
i'm testing kde daily; i've rebuilt SVN every 3 days since 3.96 (kde4 betas), and let me tell you...

IT IS A MESS!!!


Works nicely for me. Can you elaborate what exactly you think is a mess? Tue, 27 May 2008 19:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (leos) Comments RE[2]: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315826 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315826 Which spots are those? Tue, 27 May 2008 19:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zizban) Comments RE: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315827 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315827 what's a mess in kde 4.1? even if we are in hard feauture freeze mode it's still a beta, if you are talking about plasma, just wait a bit more since there was a lot of mess because of the WoC(Widget on Canvas) porting, if you have any questions come to #kde-devel on freenode Tue, 27 May 2008 19:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Verunks) Comments RE[2]: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315828 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315828
Ah, so it's not 4.1, it's 4.2 now that will be the real KDE4 huh?

Stated nore generally, it will be the real KDE4 at "4.(x+1)". ;-) Tue, 27 May 2008 19:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sbergman27) Comments When Qt4.4 in Debian syncs with Qt-Copy http://www.osnews.com/thread?315829 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315829 I'll then take a look at it.

Note: I'm not referring to Debian Experimental. Building against KDE Trunk should by now be just using Qt 4.4.Edited 2008-05-27 20:01 UTC Tue, 27 May 2008 19:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE[2]: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315837 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315837 1.- Plasma (it is a chaos)
2.- Konqueror (as file manager.... and as web browser)


i'm using it on my gentoo machine.

i'm not whinning about it; i know its a work in progress, i'm just remarking plasma (the MAIN FACE of kde4) as a mess.

If plasma crashes very often then joe user will feel Whole kde as a weak and unpolished DE.
i do not want to be missunderstood; i love kde4, but sometimes building it make feel, anxious!

sorry my english. Tue, 27 May 2008 20:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (enzobelmont) Comments RE[3]: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315851 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315851 ad 1) I think it was a mess lately, especially because of the introduction of WoC, but now with the latest Revisions I'm positively surprised. I could actually use it --> if I could compile it on my main PC, on a different where I test stuff it works.

ad 2) I guess you would have to elaborate that more. Do you mean websites with Java-Apps, Java Script, Flash, websites heavily using CSS X (where X is the version number) or just "normal" websites. Tue, 27 May 2008 22:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mat69) Comments RE[3]: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315856 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315856
1.- Plasma (it is a chaos)


Yeah I guess after the WOC changes it was very unstable. I think its getting better quickly though. I use the debian packages so I don't see all the mess ;)

2.- Konqueror (as file manager.... and as web browser)


Yeah I stopped using Konqueror entirely in KDE 4. I like Dolphin so much more as a file manager, and as a web browser I use Firefox 3 now, which is quite good. Another possibility for the future is Aurora for Webkit goodness (http://code.google.com/p/arora/)

If plasma crashes very often then joe user will feel Whole kde as a weak and unpolished DE.


Yes. I don't think this will happen in the released version... ;) Tue, 27 May 2008 23:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (leos) Comments RE: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315864 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315864 I think if you're building against the SVN daily, you forfeit the right to complain about stability.

EDIT: typoEdited 2008-05-28 00:14 UTC Wed, 28 May 2008 00:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rexstuff) Comments Not feeling it... http://www.osnews.com/thread?315895 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315895 I started using KDE when I first began using Linux six years ago. A couple years ago I switched over to Gnome when I started dabbling with Fedora & Ubuntu and have preferred the Gnome desktop experience ever since. Don't get me wrong, there was nothing wrong with KDE and in fact, as a power user, I really appreciated all that it offered to the user. I think KDE 3.5.9 represents a great desktop environment. I can't put my finger on it, but there's something about the new KDE 4 that I just don't like. Maybe it's the uber-sized desktop icons, the ugly configuration screenlet in the upper corner, or the vastly limited kicker (or plasma...whatever they're calling it). I just don't like it...yet. I'm going to keep an eye on it and perhaps try it again when it reaches 4.2 or 4.3. Wed, 28 May 2008 04:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cmost) Comments RE: Not feeling it... http://www.osnews.com/thread?315899 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315899 I think I kind'a understand what you mean with the 'I can't put my finger on it' (even though I don't feel the same about it). KDE 4 is pretty different from KDE 3, mostly it's feel. At first, when trying, it feels rather alien. But after a while, I noticed it really grew on me. I didn't really switch to KDE 4.0 due to the many issues it had - but trying it did make me feel less comfortable in KDE 3. There is just something about KDE 4 which makes it feel right. I do have a svn with KDE 4.1, and I'm using it right now - having a hard time going back to safe and stable KDE 3.x just because KDE 4 does some things just too good. But I can't put my finger on it - I just can't say WHAT exactly it is which keeps me from logging into KDE 3. Despite the fact all my files are there, and I have to go through all kinds of 'chmod' stuff to get to my own stuff... Wed, 28 May 2008 05:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (superstoned) Comments RE: Not feeling it... http://www.osnews.com/thread?315901 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315901 Personally I'm beginning to have opposite feelings. Sure KDE4 may still be beta quality in many aspects, but the more I play with KDE4 and see its huge potential, the more I'm starting to feel that I might switch from Gnome to KDE4. Especially as I don't like all the directions that Gnome development has taken (it is mostly ok, but the goal of extreme simplicity may not always serve users, especially power users best).

These feelings may have a lot to do with aesthetics only too. For example, as KDE4 likes to use vector graphics it helps a lot in making KDE4 look much cleaner and tidier than KDE3 in my opinion. As to default theming like icons, those things can be easily changed if the user or the distribution (like Kubuntu etc.) so wishes. The underlying technology and potential is what is important, not the decoration on the cake. Wed, 28 May 2008 06:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (irbis) Comments All the widdle maggots who vote down http://www.osnews.com/thread?315902 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315902 ... when someone points out how screwed up software is really have ego issues. Wed, 28 May 2008 06:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315914 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315914 Strictly none-scientific, I would say that it looks more polished than ever on Suse after having fiddled with the live CD. Of course I don't build it every 3 days or anything... Wed, 28 May 2008 07:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Googol) Comments KDE 4.1 is looking good! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315915 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315915 I'm a lot more comfortable now with the new menu setup.
They seem to have done a few tweaks here and there, and
it seems much easier to use now.

The KDE 4.x series is becoming stable very quickly, I've
found. I've had no crashes whatsoever in the last few weeks, so it's looking good!

The new underlying framework will be a huge help to KDE
in the next few years, and the 4.1 release looks like it'll be awesome! Rock on, KDE! Wed, 28 May 2008 07:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (obsidian) Comments RE[3]: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315919 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315919
Which spots are those?


God, I'm starting to throw things around, how the hell can you change the panel size now ? This abomination of the new panel settings has to be a joke. Wed, 28 May 2008 08:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (l3v1) Comments RE[4]: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315920 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315920 it's really easy see this video
http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Enlarge_your_panel Wed, 28 May 2008 08:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Verunks) Comments RE[5]: not so excited! http://www.osnews.com/thread?315921 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315921 Thanks ! Wed, 28 May 2008 09:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (l3v1) Comments RE: When Qt4.4 in Debian syncs with Qt-Copy http://www.osnews.com/thread?315929 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315929 I suggest you reading Debian Qt 4.4 changelogs. Wed, 28 May 2008 11:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MoDaX) Comments Kontact http://www.osnews.com/thread?315943 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315943 The appearance of Kontact from the screenshot looks kind of "old". It doesn't go well with the rest of KDE 4.1...

Why is that? Wed, 28 May 2008 13:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Chatbox) Comments RE: Kontact http://www.osnews.com/thread?315956 http://www.osnews.com/thread?315956 Judging from the scrollbars, they are using the old Plastik theme instead of the new Oxygen one.

I prefer Polyester to all of the above. Wed, 28 May 2008 16:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (joekiser) Comments RE: All the widdle maggots who vote down http://www.osnews.com/thread?316013 http://www.osnews.com/thread?316013
... when someone points out how screwed up software is really have ego issues.


You should see what they'll do to you when you dare to say anything derogatory about Ubuntu. You'll be whisked off to Guantanamo and water boarded until you recant!!!!! Wed, 28 May 2008 21:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cmost) Comments