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OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19819/Webkit_Introduces_New_Javascript_Interpreter Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:53:57 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com back to kde? http://osnews.com/thread?316804 http://osnews.com/thread?316804 I wonder if this thing will find its way back to khtml. Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (_LH_) Comments What are the major browser engines? http://osnews.com/thread?316812 http://osnews.com/thread?316812 WebKit - Safari, OmniWeb, Epiphany, Konquerer
Gecko - Mozilla, Firefox, Camino
Trident - Internet Explorer

Have I missed any that are relevant today? I believe Netscape had a different one, but Gecko replaced it. Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thomas2005) Comments RE: What are the major browser engines? http://osnews.com/thread?316813 http://osnews.com/thread?316813 Presto - Opera Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (FellowConspirator) Comments RE: What are the major browser engines? http://osnews.com/thread?316816 http://osnews.com/thread?316816 Epiphany uses Gecko. There is an experimental build that uses Webkit, however. Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bloodandsoil) Comments RE: What are the major browser engines? http://osnews.com/thread?316820 http://osnews.com/thread?316820 Weren't the KDE devs still fighting over KHTML vs WebKit? Because right now, even though WebKit was forked, KHTML is a separate rendering engine. There were plans to fuse again, but I'm not sure if that has gotten enough support in the community. Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (LB06) Comments RE: back to kde? http://osnews.com/thread?316823 http://osnews.com/thread?316823 Hasn't KHTML been replaced by the KDE (or is it Qt?) port of WebKit? Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lurch_mojoff) Comments Finally http://osnews.com/thread?316824 http://osnews.com/thread?316824 Webkit officially doesn't suck and is a good contender for first place in the browser wars 2.0 as soon as this gets released.

best codebase, very fast, and one of the most standards compliant. It's achilles heel has been js for quite awhile now. Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (google_ninja) Comments RE: back to kde? http://osnews.com/thread?316826 http://osnews.com/thread?316826

I wonder if this thing will find its way back to khtml.

Not likely. KHTML devs have done their own Javascript performance work. http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3476

Too bad really to see this duplication of effort still going on, but lots of changes between the two engines have accumulated over the years... Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (leos) Comments RE[2]: What are the major browser engines? http://osnews.com/thread?316828 http://osnews.com/thread?316828 there is a google SoC application for a webkit kpart that you can use in konqueror http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/webkitkde/ Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Verunks) Comments RE[2]: What are the major browser engines? http://osnews.com/thread?316835 http://osnews.com/thread?316835 It is switching to Webkit by default for 2.23. Not that I can actually find any updated code for this since 2.22, it must be hiding somewhere private...2.22's Webkit backend basically works but leaves a lot to be desired (no extensions work with it, for instance, so no AdBlock). Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (AdamW) Comments RE: What are the major browser engines? http://osnews.com/thread?316849 http://osnews.com/thread?316849 Another WebKit/Cocoa browser: Shiira

http://shiira.jp/en.php Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE: What are the major browser engines? http://osnews.com/thread?316853 http://osnews.com/thread?316853 Add Arora to Webkit.
http://code.google.com/p/arora/

There's also Swift, but it's not quite as far along as Arora.
http://try.swift.ws/ Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (robojerk) Comments RE[2]: back to kde? http://osnews.com/thread?316867 http://osnews.com/thread?316867

Hasn't KHTML been replaced by the KDE (or is it Qt?) port of WebKit?

It has been included into Qt.

http://www.osnews.com/story/19720/Qt_4.4_Released

But unfortunately Konqueror does not use it.Edited 2008-06-03 19:36 UTC Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (yahya) Comments RE: Finally http://osnews.com/thread?316877 http://osnews.com/thread?316877 Officially "doesn't suck?" Have you seen the canvasing abilities in Webkit? The built in CSS rounding, reflections, masking, etc? Webkit is absolutely amazing. Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adam S) Comments RE[2]: Finally http://osnews.com/thread?316880 http://osnews.com/thread?316880 You are right, it is amazing, and I have said as much in several places, including the second half of that post.

But since bad javascript means a bad experience on pretty much any website with any interactivity on it whatsoever, having bad javascript has been the big issue for webkit for quite awhile now. Now that it is being addressed, there isn't really all that much holding it back from world domination. Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (google_ninja) Comments Javascript speed test http://osnews.com/thread?316902 http://osnews.com/thread?316902 I ran the javascript speed test from here:

http://celtickane.com/webdesign/jsspeed.php

The results are amazing. My main browser is Epiphany 2.20. It is built against Firefox 2.0.0.14. I also have the latest nighly build of webkit installed with the latest version of Midori for testing. Epiphany/Gecko scores a pitiful 746ms in comparison with Midori/Webkit's 88ms. Now I have to install Firefox 3 to see how it compares on my machine.

These tests confirm the advantage:

http://www.jorendorff.com/articles/javascript/speed-test.html Edited 2008-06-04 00:38 UTC Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (abraxas) Comments Sunspider http://osnews.com/thread?316904 http://osnews.com/thread?316904 I forgot the Sunspider benchmarks. Here are the results:

Epiphany/Gecko

http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider-results.html?%7B...

Midori/Webkit

http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider-results.html?%7B... Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (abraxas) Comments Sloppy language? http://osnews.com/thread?316926 http://osnews.com/thread?316926 Note that

1.6 times faster

means the same as 2.6 times as fast.

Do they actually mean 160% faster, or, more probably, 60% faster? It's quite a significant difference, as the ratio between 1.6 and 0.6 is 2.67 (or 267% !) Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Henrik) Comments RE: Sloppy language? http://osnews.com/thread?316930 http://osnews.com/thread?316930 The times are right there in the article, it's 60%. Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (smitty) Comments RE: Sunspider http://osnews.com/thread?316935 http://osnews.com/thread?316935 It's good to see that Webkit's performance is better across the board and not just focused on one particular area. That's the danger with these sort of benchmarks... Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (evangs) Comments RE: Sloppy language? http://osnews.com/thread?316936 http://osnews.com/thread?316936 My experience has taught me that nobody ever uses a phrase like 1.6 time faster correctly. When they say that, what they mean to say is 1.6 times as fast.

It annoys me to death and I've given up on trying to educate the people I meet. Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (evangs) Comments RE[2]: What are the major browser engines? http://osnews.com/thread?316972 http://osnews.com/thread?316972 I like Shiira but it is way too unstable for me, crashes every few minutes... Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Brmbolec) Comments RE[2]: Sloppy language? http://osnews.com/thread?316979 http://osnews.com/thread?316979

My experience has taught me that nobody ever uses a phrase like 1.6 time faster correctly. When they say that, what they mean to say is 1.6 times as fast.

It annoys me to death and I've given up on trying to educate the people I meet.

With the term "faster" people should use percentages. 60% faster....take 60% of the original and add that to the original.

With the term "as fast", ratios are good. 1.6 times as fast.

Using ratios with "faster" is weird. "0.6 times faster" appears like it is slower. Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (FunkyELF) Comments RE: What are the major browser engines? http://osnews.com/thread?317034 http://osnews.com/thread?317034 How "major" do these have to be in order to be counted?

There's gtkhtml - does dillo use this, or another?

chimera2 has its own pretty bad enjine, but I admit it's ancient

HotJava has its own engine

Hv3 uses Tkhtml3

Do we count JS engines seperately? As we have seen, the JS engine just changed for webkit and may change for Gecko.

Do we count text mode browsers like links, lynx, w3m, etc? Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sorpigal) Comments Gnome browser http://osnews.com/thread?317070 http://osnews.com/thread?317070 Is there a Gnome browser that is capable of running this engine? Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (buff) Comments Real question is http://osnews.com/thread?317244 http://osnews.com/thread?317244 Is it really faster, or are they just bullshitting the benchmarks like they do whenever they show opera being the slowest browser... or if they are gaming it because their onload method fires prematurely. Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (deathshadow) Comments