Besides, there isn't just one version of Windows either...you need two hands to count the different versions of Vista for example.

"ACER is pushing aggressively to secure big discount on it's Windows volume liscense agreement with Microsoft, by saying they'll sell Linux (and to not actually bother), they'll scare Microsoft, get a big discount like the OLPC folks did, and profit." You SERIOUSLY think ACER wants to waste money selling Linux to a few Zealots? A: Nup!

... I'm suspicious of quite a lot of the Linux noise around these new "laptots". You'd think that if some of the hardware companies - many of them big names - behind these new machines were really serious, they'd be using solid and well-known distros.

Instead they are using no-name stuff and home-brew. It's hardly a vote of confidence in Red Hat/Fedora, SuSE, Mandriva or Ubuntu all of whom have topnotch, tried and tested desktop offerings.

This couldn't be, could it, because the Far Eastern hardware outfits don't give a rat's posterior about Linux itself, and probably don't understand it as an eco-system either.

"Four years ago, nobody had ever heard of Ubuntu." And in four years' time, how many people do you think will have hard of Linpus, a name that sounds like a nasty boil? I suspect you're making a false comparison.

Hardware makers are interested in profits from hardware; they have no commitment to a Linux distribution, unless they think they are in a business different from the one they are actually in.

Canonical have made Ubuntu a success because they are interested in Linux and F/OSS. Actually, I've read that the Dell ultra-mobile may pack Ubuntu, which is surely good news. Which means that Dell owners can look forward to some solid support from a large community of developers and a solid upgrade path for years to come.

Somehow, that's got to be rather more than Linpus-fanciers are likely to get. I mean, how many Far Eastern hardware companies are known for supporting their products rather than dumping them after 6-12 months?

I'm suspicious of quite a lot of the Linux noise around these new "laptots". You'd think that if some of the hardware companies - many of them big names - behind these new machines were really serious, they'd be using solid and well-known distros. Instead they are using no-name stuff and home-brew. It's hardly a vote of confidence in Red Hat/Fedora, SuSE, Mandriva or Ubuntu all of whom have topnotch, tried and tested desktop offerings.

" I'm suspicious of quite a lot of the Linux noise around these new "laptots". You'd think that if some of the hardware companies - many of them big names - behind these new machines were really serious, they'd be using solid and well-known distros. Instead they are using no-name stuff and home-brew. It's hardly a vote of confidence in Red Hat/Fedora, SuSE, Mandriva or Ubuntu all of whom have topnotch, tried and tested desktop offerings.

* Acer sold millions ...
* Asus sold millions ...
* Dell Sold millions ...

Reality is that there is no zealot as reportaed by anonymous coward like you and others here but millions of clients and that the OEM are making sure they are competiting for that high paying market category.

That don't mean Windows won't be offered , just yet , just that it's not going to be the only choice available on some models.

"Care to provide anything to backup your claims?"

"Dell wouldn't tell how much they sold last time they were mentioned in an articel here on osnews."

But reality is what you claim it is..?

And thats good as long as i don't have to pay some linux tax insted of a windows tax.

We already established numerous time before That I unlike you don't make claims or lies or inuendo ...

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8541837412.html

http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/tags/Linux/default.aspx

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2005/05/03/acer-starts-...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071105-game-changer-asus-eee...

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39029450,49297132,00.htm

http://gizmodo.com/5012578/msi-wind-priced-to-kick-assus

I know Dell or OsNews don't really have an interest in keeping you up to date , since your into bulshit and lies and being a coward ...

No , Reality is what I say , I dont make claims.

GNU/Linux is asked by clients , unlike Windows witch Microsoft bribe it's way into the default.

Theorically Computer from OEM should be available without an OS or with the OS of your choice or with all the OS an OEM can offer on the model. Otherwise your in a Monopoly ( witch Microsoft is convicted off ) or collusion situation ( again Microsoft was convicted of this ).

You making your usual claims doesnt make it established...

What a waste of time.

You fail yet again at providing anything to backup your claims.

The only thing you can show is that the Mac outsells both linux and windows.

Sadly for you i don't have to lie to make my point unlike you.

I don't have to provide bs claims either again unlike you. But do provide the dell numbers.

but in the real world what you say arent reality.

What clients? I'm happy to pay for my software but i don't pay for crapware. Hence i don't wanna pay those OS taxes.

I'd take a computer without a OS everyday in the week.

You started out so good but then you failed yet again.

You don't get a monopoly from OEMs only selling pc's with an OS.

And you don't get convicted for having a monopoly you get convited for misusing the power that comes with the monopoly thats how it works in the real world but in your world it migth be different.

Some of these new gizmos look very nice; some not so nice. I guess it will be a few months before Intel's Atom beds down, though.

I'm suspicious of quite a lot of the Linux noise around these new "laptots". You'd think that if some of the hardware companies - many of them big names - behind these new machines were really serious, they'd be using solid and well-known distros. Instead they are using no-name stuff and home-brew. It's hardly a vote of confidence in Red Hat/Fedora, SuSE, Mandriva or Ubuntu all of whom have topnotch, tried and tested desktop offerings.

This couldn't be, could it, because the Far Eastern hardware outfits don't give a rat's posterior about Linux itself, and probably don't understand it as an eco-system either. It's just cheap and Microsoft, caught napping, didn't have a ready OS to slot into the machines. As others have pointed out, wads of cash are only too likely to decide this one. Like any company, Acer are betting big on profits, not on an operating system.

I'm looking forward to see what the Dell offering turns out to be like, or even a Mac one which would be really k.

LinDVD is the only legal option if you live in the US, or countries affiliated with the US 4th reich. The decss work around is perfectly legal, it's the DMCA that's horridly illegal.

Dave

And in four years' time, how many people do you think will have hard of Linpus, a name that sounds like a nasty boil?

I dont make claim and yes it's established , sorry for your usual delusion.

I agree , your dumb and usal shit are a real waste of time.

I failed nothing , I showed , as alwats that I was right and offered many site that provide the information you requested. as always it's not sufficient to please your nonsense and fabultaion.

No It shows that GNU/Linux sells in the millions , that the numbers are on records that many vendors are starting to push more models too and that they make deal at the default level too. Learn to read properly in english ...

Your delusionnal , your the one lying right now and all the time ....

I don't make claim , your the one always making BS and you provided absolutely NOTHING.

Same offer as always stop being a coward and lets meet in court to prove your point ...

The one reported in the links I gave that you suddenly went senil in seeing , being included in my last comment ...

Yes so ? It's personnal preference and like I said , the market nor anyone don't really care about fullfilling the need of an online personna ... The GNU/Linux industry and the GNU/Linux clients on the otehr end are beginning to be satisfied in greater number.

I failed at nothing , have never failed responding to you and never will ...

Reality and the courts around the world disgaree with you , as usual...

You don't live in the real world Hamster ... that's why you hide your real name.

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=microsof.....

I replyed to you , it is satisfactory for everyone else who is not a moron or coward like you.

Ubuntu 8.04 seems to have got hardware detection down pretty good.... and the next version promises even better wireless networking and maybe even 3G/3.5G connectivity (sayonara ndiswrapper).

You will see that the vast majority of them both dislike computers, and do not understand both the technology, and how to use them, at least to varying degrees. Herein lies the problem. When someone doesn't understand something, they dislike complexity, or choice. Choice means more things to think or worry about, or to try and understand. When people just want to use something to get the job done, they don't want to have to think about it. The trained monkey scenario is sadly quite true in the average home/workplace.

All this choice - Ubuntu, Fedora, Suse, Mandriva and so on and forth only splinters the Linux machine.

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&...

Recorded facts.

No , you don't respond or participate you simply insult me.

At least I have a mind ... I gave you full article.

said something witch I backed up with article , that enough for normal people ...

I made no lie I said Asus , Dell , Acer sold millions of GNU/Linux computer and provided source article to backup that facts. You are the one lying when you say it's not enough and that those where lies ...

No I was 100% right your not providing anything and are just making up lies as usual.

Easy money then , but we both know your the one always lying and know that my comment are accurate , they just show the opposite of what you want people to believe.

You just confirmed that you did not read entirely the link I gave , sure you took what you wanted from them but the real summary differ from your reworded fabulations ...

GNU/Linux , GNU/Linux desktop , GNU/Linux OS , etc ...

I don't make claims I said anyone not biased and lying like you can see the numbers I am talking about in the links I gave.

Now they are arguments ... I did not fail to substantiate my facts about what I said with links that provide information on different vendors.

Nope , Because the judges and court said so , I am just remembering them and mentioning them.

I got it right , but we both know your an illegal lying coward , You don't care about fact , reality and the truth or being right , you only care about insulting me.

See you in court when you grow up kid.

Well then it shouldn't be a problem to show the rest of us those facts now would it? Unless it's because they arent real facts.

Now why would i insult you? Your are one meaning less troll so why even bother?

What does that help you if they arent telling us what you want us to know?

Now i can make up some fact aswell and throw an artical about something else aswell. But that wont help my arguement. Just like it wont help you when you link to an artikel about some shitty small laptop that should be a asus eee killer. Now how does that tell us anything about the millions of copies you talked about?

Quote the article... It cant be that hard when you continue to claim it's there.

You do talk big but fail do deliver... You remind me of small dog. More sound then bite.

You have yet to provide anything to back up any of your arguments and yet you claim your posts are accurate..? Your surely must be joking.

I just read the articles. I don't have a need like you to provide my own logic on the article to make it fit into my world view.

Ahh to hard to figure some bs answer out?

Oh so i'm biased aswell now? Towards what?

But where were the millions of computers numbers in the articles?

Was it that estimate from asus for their sales in 2008 you were refering to?

You remember something and then apply your own logic to make it fit.

But yet again you are wrong. It is not illegal to have a monopoly.

Hell Microsoft don't even have one.

Well you might get it right in your own little pathetic world but in the real world your wrong.

Thats something you don't want to notparker. Any sane judge wont by your bs either.

You should send you guardian angle here on the site a cookie for keeping a hand over you.

Notparker was an angle compared to you. But then again i wouldn't be surpriced if you and notparker are the one and same person.

What's your point ? The fabulation you have of me don't meet reality ? What a surprise !!!