OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19858/Meet_the_Dell_E_and_E_Slim Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2012, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:20:57 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Looking forward to more http://www.osnews.com/thread?318419 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318419 Hmmm.....

Not much info to go on, really.

It's good to see more manufacturers offering these type of options. Most of these seem to be supplementary stuff, good on the road but not quite a complete desktop replacement (unless it runs on a lightweight, Xfce based Linux distro)..

Dell's competitors will probably announce similar stuff soon. So far we have Asus, Acer, HP, Sony and now Dell. The VIA/Intel battle seems to be shaping up nicely, which bodes well for us consumers. Still waiting for the dual-Atom offerings, though.

Also waiting to see how Ubuntu Netbook Remix will turn out. Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gan17) Comments but the cost... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318421 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318421 mainstream manufacturers can churn these out but if the cost is not around USD $299, it won't sell ... well maybe some amount. Right now small laptops cost more than their larger counterparts - either because of the screen, HDD, or processor. Hope it the price keeps going down and they have SD slots for us swap out OS on demand. ;) Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dindin) Comments Where's page 16? http://www.osnews.com/thread?318422 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318422 Lots of little asterisks directing one to the notes on page 16, but there were only 13 slides. What's up with that? Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bosco_bearbank) Comments "Dell E"... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318429 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318429 ...as in "DELI"???



AH HAHAHA!!!!!

Sorry folks, I just had to. Would you like Pastrami with your ULCPC? Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (elektrik) Comments Durability http://www.osnews.com/thread?318430 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318430 If I buy one of those machines I don't care much about specs or looks, but I want it to do as well as my old Game Boy, 16 years and still going. If it is as fragile or more fragile than normal laptops I won't bother.
Portable devices must be mistreatable or not be. Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sakeniwefu) Comments Comment by kokuyoen http://www.osnews.com/thread?318431 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318431 $299 for that guy? I was about 2 hours from buying an EEE 900. Find me a pre-order form for that Dell ;) Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kokuyoen) Comments Seems good ... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318433 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318433 As long as I can run FreeBSD on it (and that means .. everything works out of the box).. the 12.1 inch monitor version has my money. Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gnemmi) Comments RE: "Dell E"... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318448 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318448
...as in "DELI"???


...or:

"Hey, check out my NEW DELHI!"

Hah ha haaaaaaaa! Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (diskinetic) Comments RE[2]: "Dell E"... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318456 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318456
"...as in "DELI"???


...or:

"Hey, check out my NEW DELHI!"

Hah ha haaaaaaaa! "

This looks like a job for... DeLi Linux!!! Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (UZ64) Comments RE: Durability http://www.osnews.com/thread?318462 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318462 Dunno why anyone modded you down on this. I still have an old school original Game Boy that works almost good as new, just had to clean the battery contacts (green battery? gunk). Even have a third-party AC adapter for it, though it does use a standard portable device DC input socket. Only problem is that the battery lid latch broke off, but a bit of scotch tape keeps it in place.

These days, though, I doubt anyone makes cheap electronic hardware that lasts. Planned obsolescence and whatnot. Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Johann Chua) Comments UMPC/ULPC http://www.osnews.com/thread?318467 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318467 I've been looking a lot at these UMPCs lately, and if they can make the E Video+ 399$ it'll definitely be a winner. Asus has lost it on the price with its new line of EEEs, Aspire One lacks bluetooth, HP Mini-note is too expensive, and the MSI Wind doesn't have a SSD. Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (maxx_730) Comments Just an observation http://www.osnews.com/thread?318478 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318478 "E" is the new "i". Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Buck) Comments RE: Seems good ... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318483 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318483 Don't hold your breath.

FreeBSD doesn't work out of the box on the EEE either. Nor does any linux. (wish they all did, though)

Dell isn't very big on including open source 'certified' hardware any more than Asus, they just include whatever works and is cheap. Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Dryhte) Comments RE[2]: Seems good ... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318490 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318490 Mandriva One 2008 Spring works great on the Eee 701 -- WiFi, OSD etc. all supported out-the-box.

M Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (M-Saunders) Comments RE: Just an observation http://www.osnews.com/thread?318492 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318492 I thought "i" was the new "e". You know, email, e-commerce, eBay etc. So late 90's. Maybe it's a sort of retro comeback thing like ... er ... gosh it would be useful to have some fashion references right now.
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No help from wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro#Retro_Fashion Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Michael) Comments RE[2]: Seems good ... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318497 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318497 Rest assured that I ain't ..

It's DELL who wants my money .. not _me_ wanting to give it to them ..

So again .. as long as I can run FreeBSD on the 12.1'' version .. they have a customer .. otherwise .. they don't ...

Ain't nobody pointing a gun to my head to go out and spend my hard earned money on broadcomm (amongst other not supported chips) crap packed hardware ...

I can sure spend my dough in a lot of other things ...

Now .. do they want my money?

Well .. come and get it .. but those are the conditions .. as far as I'm concerned its; FreeBSD out of the box or DELL can start piling it's boxed hardware on their deposits until hell freezes over ...

Is that simple ... ;) Edited 2008-06-14 22:00 UTC Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gnemmi) Comments Comment by cg0def http://www.osnews.com/thread?318498 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318498 did any one really think that asus stands a chance when they started raising the price? They might have gotten the ball rolling but it's about to crush them if they don't get their s*** together. And Dell is hardly their only problem. But a 12" screen sound really good. It makes for a small notebook that you can pretty much take anywhere, low price and well it's fast enough to be used as a note taking / movie watching / whatever gadget. Sure you won't be breaking speed records with this thing and it will feel slow compared to your workstation but it's ok for when you just have to change something in your source code or read that report that your boss gave you just before the party. 8 and 10" is just too small for excel among other things.Edited 2008-06-14 22:02 UTC Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cg0def) Comments Screen size http://www.osnews.com/thread?318500 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318500 Well, 12" screen might be fine for Excel, but takes the computer out of the UMPC range which ends at 10". Personally I think the 10" screen is about right for e-mail, web surfing, etc. that these things are designed to do. The 7" screen on the Eee (original 4G) really isn't bad, but the keyboard is a killer. I want something that can be carried around without much thought, not lugged around like my Thinkpad. Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bolomkxxviii) Comments Missing the forest for the trees... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318501 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318501 I think the hype around these "Netbooks" or "subnotebooks" or whatever the latest buzzword this week has made people lose sight of the big picture. Too many people are listening to the business people and the enthusiasts and not enough of them have noticed their lips aren't moving. Anyone getting excited about these "new" devices is missing the forest for the trees.

Look at the ASUS Eee--does anyone remember the original selling point promised for these devices? Sure they can claim this wasn't their fault, it was the falling dollar...the rasing costs of LCDs... Besides they and their supporters will say, the ASUS Eee was really about selling enough hardware to make ASUS one of the the top four hardware sellers in the world, not really about selling cheap laptops... To wish I must admit, ASUS has succeeded admirably--if this was indeed their actual goal.

I no longer think that to be the case.

Everyone who hails ASUS as this wild pioneer discovering the market no one knew was their had either forgotten history, drinking the kool-aid or is being disenguius (read in on the scam). It wasn't even ten years ago the Jupiter class devices came out, showcasing a market halfway between a PDA and a laptop, costing somewhere inbetween the two. These are still so popular Geeks.com is able sell refurbished Jordanas from nearly a decade ago for 150.00... The Jordanas in particular are worth noting, because the Netbooks which are all the rage today are very much a spiritual successor to these devices.

ASUS knew this market existed, as did Dell, HP (how could they NOT know??) and all the other big players in the computing industry. The truth of the matter is they knew this market existed and didn't care. They were much happier selling people a laptop for three thousand dollars and dismissing PDAs as junk. Unfortunately in the last few years OEMs and system retailers have found themselves stuck on a race to the bottom with no way to get off the track.

A combination of various factors had already pushed the desktop workstation to the $400.00 mark and then lower. When Walmart began selling gOS PCs for $199.00 in the store a line had been crossed and everyone knew it. Then along came the OLPC people talking about laptops at the same price point--and coming really close to achiveing it! Meanwhile just as the desktop workstation market had begun to hit the bottom so also had the laptop market began to follow in its footsteps with $700 becoming the common price for a laptop, then $400...

ASUS saw a chance to catapult themselves to the top four resellers AND a way to stop the race towards the bottom infecting the Laptop market. They took it, knowing full well the consequences of what would come. If the Eee was sucessful it would cripple the low end laptop market, fortunately for ASUS this was exactly the plan!

This is the way it works--first they create a inexpensive, low powered mobile device at or near the prices of your already existing notebook lines. Then you phase out all those low end notebooks and replace them with expensive gamer laptops, explaining the change is due to people choosing to buy their Netbooks over their laptops...

Then after a bit they can cancel the lowend desktop market in favor of a headless version of the subnotebook and push their high end gamer computer workstations, because "no one is interested in low end machines"

Finally they can slowly raise the price of their new netbooks and subnotebooks due to adding features until these are just under ten thousand using them....

At which point we'll be right back where we were before the boom bust. Funny how prices change, isn't it?

--bornagainpenguin Sun, 15 Jun 2008 04:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bornagainenguin) Comments RE: Missing the forest for the trees... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318506 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318506 I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Any more info on this Jordana of which you speak by the way? Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (maxx_730) Comments RE[2]: Missing the forest for the trees... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318507 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318507 LOL - I think he's talking about HP's Jornada... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jornada Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Dryhte) Comments RE[3]: Missing the forest for the trees... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318510 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318510 Yep..that's the one.

Nice little device for its time, isn't it? I'm speaking mostly about the clamshell versions of the device of course. If it wasn't for the age of the device and the lack of SD card support I'd have probably picked one up already. I have a bit of a road trip coming up and those ten hours or more (I think it was rated at 11 hours) would work really well for me there...

--bornagainpenguin Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bornagainenguin) Comments RE: Comment by kokuyoen http://www.osnews.com/thread?318533 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318533
$299 for that guy? I was about 2 hours from buying an EEE 900. Find me a pre-order form for that Dell ;)


Other emerging ULCPC options featuring the Atom processor, apart from the Dell E and Asus EEEPC 901 (EEPC 900 model still uses a celeron), are the MSI Wind and the Acer Aspire One. AFAIK all of them offer a Linux option, and only the Asus EEEPC has the artificially-constrained Xandros offering.

Plenty of choice is emerging in this market, which will tend to make pricing become more agressive as the choices increase. Hold off for a month or two before the market settles down a bit. Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments RE[4]: Missing the forest for the trees... http://www.osnews.com/thread?318590 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318590 Do not forget about Psion-series. It was really something... Why can't anyone make an ARM based subnote with linux? It'll definitely be able to get more than 3-4h from a 3cell battery ;) Edited 2008-06-16 12:10 UTC Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (major86) Comments too late ;) http://www.osnews.com/thread?318777 http://www.osnews.com/thread?318777 for me, at least.

I posting this from my EEE 900, with Xubuntu, and I couldn't be happier ;) the dell, msi, ecs and others are too late, and anyway I prefer a 9" to a 10" ;) Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Dryhte) Comments