OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19863/openSUSE_s_Brockmeier_Sees_Distro_Coming_Into_Its_Own Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:38:41 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Stable and mature http://osnews.com/thread?318537 http://osnews.com/thread?318537 After 10+ years using FreeBSD for all my server needs, I tried PC-BSD for desktop. Unfortunately there were some types of work I could not do with it.

After trying several Linux distributions I found OpenSuse to be easy to use, feature rich, stable and mature.

Even more importantly I have found it has a wonderful community of very helpfull volunteers.

Most definitely worth a check if you are looking to try a Linux distribution. Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (francisco) Comments best kde distro http://osnews.com/thread?318538 http://osnews.com/thread?318538 I still believe openSUSE is the best (read: highest quality) KDE distribution available. Not that openSUSE is specifically targetting KDE over Gnome (maybe they are, i dont know)...

What I mean is that if you want to run KDE, I believe openSUSE to be the distribution which will give you overall the highest quality desktop with the most polish and integration.

It is stable, and very well put together. There are loads of packages available and lots of info on the net for opensuse (howto's, forums, official guides etc).

Of course I am just voicing my opinion, your own preference for a "KDE" distro may be different to mine.

Looking forward to openSUSE 11.0. Should be a great release and an important milestone. Hopefully there will be an update for KDE 4.1 once it is released, or maybe an openSUSE 11.1 including a more mature and updated KDE 4.1.

Being the last release for this next "wave" of Linux Distribution releases, I hope openSUSE 11.0 is worth the wait!! Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pixel8r) Comments Bonehead stereotyping http://osnews.com/thread?318549 http://osnews.com/thread?318549 Trying to paint everyone who disagrees with the Novel/Microsoft deal as a non-contributing mal-content blogger is either disingenuous and self-serving, or horribly uninformed. This type of ad hominem attack is really beneath a large-project leader; he'd have done better to not broach the subject at all.

Other than that, it sounds like the project is doing all the things necessary to become more prominent and on par with the other community distros. Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tux68) Comments speedy recovery http://osnews.com/thread?318604 http://osnews.com/thread?318604 Novell did a lot to piss of the Suse crowd, including firing key personalities after taking over Suse in 2003. And while I think that layoffs and deep cuts were necessary it is also obvious that it was going downhill for the OpenSuse 'Community'. Also their press staff totally sucked at times. Talked with Novel/OpenSuse reps who didn't have basic knowledge about their product ("uh, yes - we have a product like that?!').
So it's good to see that Novell/OpenSuse tries to breathe new life into their distro. Hopefully they will make the necessary changes quick enough to survive in a niche market. OpenSuse 11-RC looks promising. Now they only need to make the transition from old Suse cruft* like YAST and SuseConfig to a sane Linux OS and they could get back in the game.

*I know, Yast and SuseConfig is great for first time desktop users. But apart from that it is not practicable since it strays too far from de-facto standard Linux environments. Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dwave) Comments quotes are still great... http://osnews.com/thread?318605 http://osnews.com/thread?318605 ... to judge an article, thanks. - Now, why would I even read this one where openSuSE is always at least number 3 or 4 at Distrowatch..? How can it be not known..? Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Googol) Comments RE: speedy recovery http://osnews.com/thread?318615 http://osnews.com/thread?318615 opensuse is one the first distribution to have adopted lsb

yast is just a front end to reduce the need to use console...

you can use suse without using yast... Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (collinm) Comments RE: best kde distro http://osnews.com/thread?318616 http://osnews.com/thread?318616 every opensuse survey confirm it, around 70? of their user use kde

they suppose to put same effort... but i found the kde deskop under suse more polish every time Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (collinm) Comments RE[2]: speedy recovery http://osnews.com/thread?318618 http://osnews.com/thread?318618 I have been hearing arguments like this before and I usually retort "then why use OpenSuse after all if you put that much effort in switching off all the Suse specific stuff?"

And no, at some point Yast is not a front-end that you just disable to get a common Linux environemnt. There are several configuration files and scripts that are very unique in their syntax and location.

That OpenSuse is regarded to be LSB compliant only shows how flawed the standardized LSB tests are.Edited 2008-06-16 14:42 UTC Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dwave) Comments RE[3]: speedy recovery http://osnews.com/thread?318622 http://osnews.com/thread?318622 why use suse when we don't want to use yast...

easy opensuse have one of the better polished kde desktop
nice documentation
a lot of package
stability
one click install

also opensuse adhere to FHS

don't follow the standard is often good...

arch linux don't really use standard filesystem... and that allow to boot very quickly...

don't forget the standard os of the majority of user is windows... Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (collinm) Comments RE[4]: speedy recovery http://osnews.com/thread?318624 http://osnews.com/thread?318624 Yes, Windows is on the desktop. Desktop, this dready places where people create Powerpoint slides and double-click mail attachments, among other things. This a different league. And I don't see how OpenSuse or any other distriution will ever be a major success on the desktop.
I see the server as the more promising market. I am running SLES on one of my servers for a customer. I never got the hang of it. Package availability is a joke, the whole system is a pain to maintain and to administrate in comparison with sane Linux distributions.
But fine, keep OpenSuse on the desktop. I can see that is offers some incentives there if you don't demand to much or are new to linux. No offence meant. Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dwave) Comments Not Popular?? http://osnews.com/thread?318626 http://osnews.com/thread?318626 The first line says, "Of all the community distributions, probably the least known is openSUSE"

Huh!!....Least known??..... but it ranks at no. 2 or 3 on the Distrowatch list.

Am I missing something? Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gan17) Comments RE: Not Popular?? http://osnews.com/thread?318722 http://osnews.com/thread?318722 Indeed. They probably should have written :
Out of the three best known community distro's OpenSUSE is one of the three least known. Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (steogede2) Comments RE[4]: speedy recovery http://osnews.com/thread?318736 http://osnews.com/thread?318736 Not wanting to turn this into a flame war about YaST, but...

opensuse is one the first distribution to have adopted lsb

yast is just a front end to reduce the need to use console...

you can use suse without using yast...



SuSE might be 'just a front end', however SuSEConfig (one of the main tools it is a front end to) is integral to making SUSE what it is. Yes, SuSEConfig can be disabled, but you lose a lot of what makes SUSE what it is.

Also, to say that the purpose of YaST is to 'reduce the need to use a console' completely ignores the fact that YaST is the only Linux system configuration tool which is equally usable in both a graphical and console environment (the only system configuration tool fullstop, AFAIK).

IMO SUSE has the most complete set of configuration tools of any distro, nothing else come close - and it often works without any problems. However, if you need to make changes outside of YaST or use certain non-SUSE packages (e.g. server software that interacts with other software configured by YaST), you would be well advised not to - unless you REALLY know what you are doing (i.e. are prepared to find and read documentation, config. files and even the occasional PERL script). Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (steogede2) Comments RE[5]: speedy recovery http://osnews.com/thread?318741 http://osnews.com/thread?318741 somebody have begining to port yast to fedora

http://mzugec.blogspot.com/2008/05/research-of-possibility-running-...

more work... and fedora could use it

mandriva have something similar to yast and it work under console to Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (collinm) Comments RE[6]: speedy recovery http://osnews.com/thread?318747 http://osnews.com/thread?318747 In response to "IMO SUSE has the most complete set of configuration tools of any distro, nothing else come close - and it often works without any problems. However, if you need to make changes outside of YaST or use certain non-SUSE packages (e.g. server software that interacts with other software configured by YaST), you would be well advised not to - unless you REALLY know what you are doing (i.e. are prepared to find and read documentation, config. files and even the occasional PERL script)."

Mandriva has rpmdrake. It is not even fair to compare rpmdrake with yast. Rpmdrake is 100+ times faster and more reliable than yast. The only downside of rpmdrake (compared to yast) is that you are not patent protected so Microsoft could sue you anytime they like.Edited 2008-06-17 13:02 UTC Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (satan666) Comments RE[7]: speedy recovery http://osnews.com/thread?318749 http://osnews.com/thread?318749 you mix 2 thing...

the package manager and the distribution manager...

yast is not only a tool install and remove package...

don't forget, opensuse 11 have a new took to install software and it's a lot faster than previous release Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (collinm) Comments RE: best kde distro http://osnews.com/thread?318963 http://osnews.com/thread?318963 I agree with your assessment of OpenSuse's implementation of KDE. It is very polished, although Fedora 9 seems equally polished so far as well. Maybe I'm just a sucker for customizing the "K" logo on the launcher button but it does seem I get far fewer KDE crashes in both OpenSuse and F9 than I do in Linspire/Freespire's KDE implementation.

OpenSuse also has a repo. system that I find similar to Ubuntu's which makes finding packages a breeze.

The next server I slap together at home I plan on using OpenSuse. Yes I know the console only one Ubuntu has is good and I've used it before but OpenSuse has included some very nice tools for administration that just makes things simpler. Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (RRepster) Comments RE[7]: speedy recovery http://osnews.com/thread?318967 http://osnews.com/thread?318967 MSFT has yet to prove it's patent claims and besides OpenSuse doesn't fall under the supposed "protection" like SLED does. Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (RRepster) Comments