OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/19999/Telecom_Immunity_More_Important_Than_Surveillance_Powers Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:57:37 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Bah... http://osnews.com/thread?321921 http://osnews.com/thread?321921 "Quick they're on to us... put the jack boots away!"

Is this Civil immunity or Criminal immunity they are after? This has gone on so long I forget.

If it is civil immunity I can see that. They did what the Executive Branch asked, so people should bring criminal charges against the executive branch (like that will ever happen though). That may still hold the telco's to criminal liability though.

But if they want Criminal immunity... Where does that stop? They broke the law end of story. So anyone can break the law and not be held liable as long as it was for the "safety" of the nation or can be spun that way? Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jakesdad) Comments Of course immunity http://osnews.com/thread?321955 http://osnews.com/thread?321955 Of course they want immunity more than legal powers. With immunity the government can ask or bully the telecoms into giving them anything.

"I see youse got a nice industry here. It sure would be a shame if anything were to happen to these here FCC regs."

Because it is then "voluntary" and "civilian" instead of a government demand, the only recourse of citizens is a lawsuit against the telecoms. Which the government then blocks. Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zlynx) Comments Comment by airwedge1 http://osnews.com/thread?321981 http://osnews.com/thread?321981 The united states is basically a police state now a days. We the people have very little freedom left. Nearly every one of the first 10 amendments have been blatantly broken by the federal government in the near past. The sad thing is there is so many stupid people out there that go about their lives thinking they are free, and have no idea what is happening. Also sadly there is not really anything we can do to save the united states at this point. Only way to really get away is to pick up shop and move to another planet. Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (airwedge1) Comments Dont turn this site into slashdot http://osnews.com/thread?322012 http://osnews.com/thread?322012 One of the reason I dont visit slashdot much anymore was that they dove into the realm of politics.

What does telecommunications companies and FISA courts have to do with operating systems? My answer would be "nothing".

Please, can we keep this site free of politics? I come here to see which operating system has been released, reviews of operating systems, who has innovated FOSS software to improve our computing experience, and to see what directions the IT industry is taking. This is one of the best sites for this on the web. But, posting subjects like this only lowers the value of this site's content.

I registered solely to post this. Please, don't let this site become another slashdot or digg. Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (friday) Comments RE: Dont turn this site into slashdot http://osnews.com/thread?322066 http://osnews.com/thread?322066
One of the reason I dont visit slashdot much anymore was that they dove into the realm of politics.


Welcome Friday! Actually, I welcome Friday every week..but I digress..

There's a very simple solution to the issue you've raised...don't click a link to a story you're not interested in. Quite simple really.

This issue however, is very relevant. If your online activities are being monitored/logged/analysed and forwarded to third parties, I'm guessing you'd probably want to know about it.

Failing that of course, don't click the link and move onto the next story... Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (wakeupneo) Comments RE: Bah... http://osnews.com/thread?322169 http://osnews.com/thread?322169 Would you libs agree with Senator Kennedy's comment I suppose?
>> Think about what we’ve been hearing from the White House in this debate. The President has said that American lives will be sacrificed if Congress does not change FISA. But he has also said that he will veto any FISA bill that does not grant retroactive immunity. No immunity, no new FISA bill. So if we take the President at his word, he is willing to let Americans die to protect the phone companies.
The President’s insistence on immunity as a precondition for any FISA reform is yet another example of his disrespect for honest dialogue and for the rule of law.
It’s painfully clear what the President’s request for retroactive immunity is really about. It’s a self-serving attempt to avoid legal and political accountability and keep the American public in the dark about this whole shameful episode. Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (osnoozer) Comments