OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/20121/Developer_Trivia_Test Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:36:07 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com RE http://osnews.com/thread?324880 http://osnews.com/thread?324880 Quite a fun test, very OSNews material ;)

I got 75, although could have got 100 if I had been more careful. I didn't know about Pascal history, I assumed Dr.Pepper was second-in-line, and "The Gang of Four" is news to me; otherwise, clearly I know too much useless information for my own good.

(Data-types in Assembly, lol; a byte is a byte is a byte my friend) Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments Headline Skimmer? So what? Stupid article! http://osnews.com/thread?324881 http://osnews.com/thread?324881 So I'm a headline skimmer at 60 pts. Stupid trick questions.

Wait, that excuse is already taken.

Oh, here's one: I haven't had my first coffee yet. (But I'm having it right now). Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Gorgak) Comments Answer to Question 7 is idiotic http://osnews.com/thread?324884 http://osnews.com/thread?324884 Question 7: What is the best way to write type-safe assembly language?

5 points
d. Devout prayer

Because assembly language does not recognize data types in the way that higher-level languages do, prayer may be your only hope. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Zenja) Comments RE: Answer to Question 7 is idiotic http://osnews.com/thread?324885 http://osnews.com/thread?324885 No it's not. All the other answers were wrong, so it could only be that one. It could have said "The cat sat on the mat" and it'd still be correct.

You cannot store a decimal point in assembly, there is no such thing - only 1s and 0s. If you put a Float into a memory location, you can interpret those 1s and 0s anyhow you want. You could read it back as an Int, or an ASCII value, or even execute it as a Mnemonic.

Some of the best C64 code (Demos and some of the better copy-protection schemes like Timex) used this kind of behaviour to write self-modifying code. There's many creative things you can do when you write assembly by hand, but it's a real minefield to work in. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments more like.... http://osnews.com/thread?324886 http://osnews.com/thread?324886 More like a test of general knowledge of programmers culture. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (trenchsol) Comments RE: more like.... http://osnews.com/thread?324888 http://osnews.com/thread?324888 You somehow expected more out of InfoWorld?
Only managers and wannabes read InfoWorld. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments RE: Headline Skimmer? So what? Stupid article! http://osnews.com/thread?324889 http://osnews.com/thread?324889 So...what does it tell about the test if I got 75, and last time I've had (brief) encounter with programming was 5 years ago with some dead basic C? ;P Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zima) Comments Stupid InfoWorld editor http://osnews.com/thread?324891 http://osnews.com/thread?324891 How can someone so ignorant be employed as an editor at InfoWorld?

For the question about Hungarian Notation one of the possible answers was:

d. It was invented at the Polytechnic University of Bucharest, Hungary

For the thousand time Bucharest is not the capital of Hungary, Budapest is. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pandronic) Comments History, not programming http://osnews.com/thread?324894 http://osnews.com/thread?324894 Somehow I expected a test on PROGRAMMING, not a history quiz. The whole thing is akin to an auto repair class that spends six months on the life history of Nikolaus August Otto instead of talking about how engines work.

The only question worth a damn was the one where the best answer was commenting - and even that was semi-useless since throwing in commenting any old way can be WORSE than not having any.

See: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-clear-code/

Specifically: "Oh? We're done? Thanks for letting me know. That big right bracket and the infinite expanse of empty space beyond really didn't tip me off to that."Edited 2008-07-29 12:23 UTC Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (deathshadow) Comments RE: Headline Skimmer? So what? Stupid article! http://osnews.com/thread?324895 http://osnews.com/thread?324895 ah, I had a better excuse
English is not my native language ;) Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemoncookie) Comments Is P equal to NP? http://osnews.com/thread?324896 http://osnews.com/thread?324896 i like this one. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (James Townson) Comments RE: Stupid InfoWorld editor http://osnews.com/thread?324898 http://osnews.com/thread?324898 well, since there is a small chance that the Hungarian notation is coming from the Polytechnic Univ, Budapest they had to choose Bucharest to make it completely false answer... ;) Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (drTRS) Comments RE: Headline Skimmer? So what? Stupid article! http://osnews.com/thread?324899 http://osnews.com/thread?324899

Oh, here's one: I haven't had my first coffee yet. (But I'm having it right now).


Why not a glass of Sunkist Orange instead? ;) Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (wannabe geek) Comments RE http://osnews.com/thread?324900 http://osnews.com/thread?324900 85pts "you get bragging rights but probably wouldnt get hired", DANG! Hope my boss dosnt realize that. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (judgen) Comments RE: Stupid InfoWorld editor http://osnews.com/thread?324904 http://osnews.com/thread?324904 Where does he said it was Hungary's capital?
He doesn't.

And this university exists, is located in Bucharest, which is a hungarian city. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (phoudoin) Comments RE[2]: Stupid InfoWorld editor http://osnews.com/thread?324905 http://osnews.com/thread?324905 Well, no, Bucharest is the capital city of Romania. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (priit) Comments dumbass test http://osnews.com/thread?324911 http://osnews.com/thread?324911 Well I got only 65 yet I spend most of my time developing in C/C++. I don't know or care for any of the modern trendy languages like Ruby and know almost nothing about SQL or Cobol. Clearly 1/3 of the questions have zero to do with anything. I suspect most older CS professors or even the mighty D.Knuth might fail this too if they are not hip to trivia nonsense. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (transputer_guy) Comments RE: dumbass test http://osnews.com/thread?324912 http://osnews.com/thread?324912 Watch how all the geeks on this thread will make antagonistic comments and excuses for not getting 100%. "It's a stupid quiz", "doesn't mean anything", "editor is retarded", etc. etc.

I got 65% and for what it's worth, I don't care. It affects my programming self-esteem, neither one way or the other. It's just a quiz people. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Chicken Blood) Comments RE[2]: Stupid InfoWorld editor http://osnews.com/thread?324922 http://osnews.com/thread?324922 It's a good thing they don't have a geography quiz, the scores would be a lot lower... Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (alexandru_lz) Comments RE: Stupid InfoWorld editor http://osnews.com/thread?324924 http://osnews.com/thread?324924 "How can someone so ignorant be employed as an editor at InfoWorld?

For the question about Hungarian Notation one of the possible answers was:

d. It was invented at the Polytechnic University of Bucharest, Hungary

For the thousand time Bucharest is not the capital of Hungary, Budapest is."

Wow...don't even know how to answer this one. When do you start as editor for InfoWorld??? ;) Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DrillSgt) Comments First question http://osnews.com/thread?324926 http://osnews.com/thread?324926 I believe that both JavaScript and Java originate from Self programming language developed by Sun to some extent. So the answer for the first question is - questionable ;) Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (normanv) Comments Misleading answer http://osnews.com/thread?324928 http://osnews.com/thread?324928 "Question 15: Is P equal to NP?

5 points
d. I don't know

This is one of the most important unsolved problems in computational science. If you actually did know the answer, you would be rich now."

This is just silly. The author confuses a factual question with the justfication of that answer. For example, if somone asks me "Is E=mc^2?" I can answer "Yes" altought I don't know how to justify it: the question is not "Do you know if E=mc^2?". A correct answer would be something in the line of "It hasn't been proved that..." Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ladelburro) Comments RE: First question http://osnews.com/thread?324932 http://osnews.com/thread?324932 The key is that javascript is NOT a lite version of Java. This is probably one of the most ANNOYING misconceptions ever in the IT world. I don't know how many times I have heard hiring managers, developers - eople who should know better confuse the two. I cringe when I hear people say something like "yeah we need a Java developer to help with some of our web pages", when they really mean a Javascript developer. The languages share nothing except a "c-like" syntax (braces, semi-colons). Javascript really has far more in common with the functional languages.

So personally, I was glad to see that question. It really was a marketing decision to include the word "java" in javascript. However, it was a very poor decision. It created a lot of unnecessary confusion.

It actually reminds me of the word "Basic" in Visual Basic. While VB is actually a derivative of Basic, unfortunately the word "Basic" confuses many adminsitrative folks. They see the word and think that it must be easy. I have seen this played out such that non-programmers are hired as VB programmers, because, well, it's basic! How hard can it be? In fact, one job I interviewed actually called it "Visual Basics". I had to keep myself from laughing during the interview. In reality, enterprise applications of great complexity and depth can be created with VB (even before .NET). However there is a "pile" of VB guys out there that to a certain extent were created due to the word "basic" in the title.

Words are funny! Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments RE: dumbass test http://osnews.com/thread?324936 http://osnews.com/thread?324936 Tend to agree. Seems this "test" has more to do with this guy's vision of himself as a great wit than with technical expertise. Yeah, I got a 75 and it's been years since I programmed in C and decades since I programmed in Assembler, but many of the questions and answers are surrounded by ongoing "discussion" so his version of the correct answer may be in dispute. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (acamfield) Comments RE: Stupid InfoWorld editor http://osnews.com/thread?324938 http://osnews.com/thread?324938 "For the thousand time Bucharest is not the capital of Hungary, Budapest is."

It's the other way round too. We have a lot of fun here in Bucharest/Romania when a singer/statesmen messes them up.

And for all you English lubbers, you mess them up because you make them sound alike. They're actually:
"Boo-dah-pehsht" and "Boo-coo-reh-shti", where that last "ti" is pronounced like "li" in Linux.Edited 2008-07-29 19:12 UTC Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (-oblio-) Comments RE: dumbass test http://osnews.com/thread?324941 http://osnews.com/thread?324941 I don't think the test was meant to be taken very seriously - I mean the question about soft drinks?? So chuckle a little and increment you program counter! Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments It's called fluff ... http://osnews.com/thread?324945 http://osnews.com/thread?324945 ... and it's supposed to be fun. Think of it as a sitcom for people who have never had sex.

As for an indicator of programming intelligence, yeah it sucks. I received a 70, but my main claim to programming fame is that I'm a brilliant developer of pseudo-random number generators. Need an encryption algorithm, I'll give you a program that generates a stream of pseudo-random numbers. And hey, noone can crack that. Not even the recipient with the key. ;) Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MacTO) Comments RE[2]: First question http://osnews.com/thread?324948 http://osnews.com/thread?324948
The key is that javascript is NOT a lite version of Java.


*Sigh* you haven't read his post, he didn't say that..

What he said is that both Java and Javascript has some heavy link with Self a project made by Sun:
for Java it's not the language but the JVM's JIT compiler which benefited from Self research
and for Javascript it's because it is a prototype based language like Self.

So I was a bit annoyed by the incorrect "solution" IMHO.. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (renox) Comments RE[3]: First question http://osnews.com/thread?324978 http://osnews.com/thread?324978 Just because they have superficial similarities to a third project, doesn't mean those two are related in any way. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (johnnysaucepn) Comments RE[2]: Answer to Question 7 is idiotic http://osnews.com/thread?324990 http://osnews.com/thread?324990 If you don't know what kind of data is there in the memory location you are accessing and its binary representation in the architecture(s) you are using you shouldn't be using assembly at all, not even C.
However, the much maligned Systems Hungarian notation can be very useful when dealing with assembly code. Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sakeniwefu) Comments RE: It's called fluff ... http://osnews.com/thread?324991 http://osnews.com/thread?324991 Well, who hasn't developed a compression algorithm that reduces the size of any file by 90% or more - with the only bug that he was then unable to retrieve the complete original files. ;) Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sakeniwefu) Comments RE http://osnews.com/thread?324999 http://osnews.com/thread?324999 That was a fun test. I ended up with 90 points, so I am "Dangerously Overinformed". I wouldn't have thought it was nearly as fun if I hadn't known most of the answers already though. ;) Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Clinton) Comments RE: Answer to Question 7 is idiotic http://osnews.com/thread?325000 http://osnews.com/thread?325000 That was my favorite questions; although "devout prayer" would be the answer for pretty much any question about assembly. Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Clinton) Comments RE[2]: Stupid InfoWorld editor http://osnews.com/thread?325012 http://osnews.com/thread?325012
Where does he said it was Hungary's capital?
He doesn't.

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And this university exists, is located in Bucharest, which is a hungarian city.

0 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (makc) Comments Silly, but it should be. http://osnews.com/thread?325017 http://osnews.com/thread?325017 Many of the questions (and answers) are a bit silly, but that is as it should be. No-one (outside a few clueless managers) honestly think that a five-minute online quiz can give you any indication of how good a programmer you are, so any attempt at making it seem serious would be a lie.

For the record, I scored 85. My wrong answers were the drink, the gang of four and Brian Kerningham. I'm not from the US, so I have had little exposure to Dr. Pepper and Sunkist Orange, and I don't do OO much, so I'm not aquantied with the gang of four. I really should have known about Brian, though. Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (torbenm) Comments RE[2]: more like.... http://osnews.com/thread?325033 http://osnews.com/thread?325033 To be honest, I don't expect much of IT journalism, generally. In fact, I lost fate in any kind of journalism long ago. I read those articles while I am having coffee, that's all.

DG Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (trenchsol) Comments RE: Stupid InfoWorld editor http://osnews.com/thread?325038 http://osnews.com/thread?325038 Somebody please tell me why is a comment made by Jabbotts modded down. Because it is not enough on the Party Line which is anti-Microsoft ? Man, what an attitude !

DG Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (trenchsol) Comments RE[3]: Stupid InfoWorld editor http://osnews.com/thread?325044 http://osnews.com/thread?325044 I stand corrected.
Thanks. Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (phoudoin) Comments Lol.. Bucharest and Hungary http://osnews.com/thread?325139 http://osnews.com/thread?325139 "It was invented at the Polytechnic University of Bucharest, Hungary "

LOLOL.. idiots.. Bucharest is in Romania. Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vchira) Comments Headline skimmer .... http://osnews.com/thread?325232 http://osnews.com/thread?325232 Well.. I got 65 for a headline skimmer.. btw, I wish I knew what the f--k is a headline skimmer...

"Twisted pair is a type of network cable, not a data structure."

That one was pretty silly... Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Pr3st00) Comments RE: It's called fluff ... http://osnews.com/thread?325379 http://osnews.com/thread?325379
And hey, noone can crack that.


Peter Noone is widely acknowledged as a cryptography expert. Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Imp of the Perverse) Comments