OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/20123/Syllable_Launches_New_Browser Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:52:06 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com The next step? http://osnews.com/thread?324939 http://osnews.com/thread?324939 Perhaps the next step should be the integration of gnash into webster. Does that mean, that a "SDL View" is required? As far as I know, it is only possible to create an "SDL Window". Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cipri) Comments RE: The next step? http://osnews.com/thread?324942 http://osnews.com/thread?324942 There are a lot of steps in between, not least of which is writing the Syllable platform support for plugins in WebCore. You also can't have an SDL view running inside a "real" Syllable application, so we'll have to port Gnash to Syllable as a native port before we can create a plugin for Webster. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Vanders) Comments Haiku http://osnews.com/thread?324951 http://osnews.com/thread?324951 Sounds like something the Haiku team should keep a close eye on to see how well it works out. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Earl C Pottinger) Comments RE: Haiku http://osnews.com/thread?324952 http://osnews.com/thread?324952 Nice achievement!
Keep up the good work, I'm following Syllable and Haiku for a really long time... One day I will switch from Linux to one of this two oses. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tanner) Comments Fork or improvement? http://osnews.com/thread?324961 http://osnews.com/thread?324961 I'm not sure I understand: what is the status of this 'webview class': was-it an improvement which has been added to WebKit or is-it a fork?

Maintaining a fork of WebKit is likely to be a highly time consuming task! Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (renox) Comments RE: Fork or improvement? http://osnews.com/thread?324966 http://osnews.com/thread?324966
I'm not sure I understand: what is the status of this 'webview class': was-it an improvement which has been added to WebKit or is-it a fork?


WebView is a library that implements a series of native Syllable classes on top of WebCore which can be used by applications to render and control a "web view".

Maintaining a fork of WebKit is likely to be a highly time consuming task!


Yes, it would be. Simply maintaining our port is plenty enough as it is.

I understand why you're confused. To clarify, "WebKit" is two things. It is the collection of components such as WebCore & JavaScriptCore which make up the browser engine, and it is a library on top of those components which provides the API for applications to use.

However WebKit the library is not actually a fixed, solid entity: it naturally has to be specific to each platform, so for instance on OS X it is an Objective C API. So you can in fact get the entire engine without "porting" WebKit, which would really involve writing an entire version of WebKit for your platform anyway. So instead WebView is a much more simple API that does the same job that WebKit does on other platforms.Edited 2008-07-29 21:42 UTC Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Vanders) Comments Awesome... http://osnews.com/thread?325002 http://osnews.com/thread?325002 The Syllable project has reached another long-time milestone. It was always planned to factor out the web rendering engine of its web browser, ABrowse, into a library with a native Syllable View widget on top, so it can be embedded into more applications than just a web browser.

That's really laudable. And, imagine, only 11 years after MS did it with IE4... Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tomcat) Comments RE: Awesome... http://osnews.com/thread?325006 http://osnews.com/thread?325006 Syllable is not microsoft in terms of slaves. Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fithisux) Comments RE: Awesome... http://osnews.com/thread?325008 http://osnews.com/thread?325008 Imagine, I'm not Microsoft, and no one compared Webster to IE except you.

Go troll some place else. Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Vanders) Comments RE: Awesome... http://osnews.com/thread?325014 http://osnews.com/thread?325014 And there will be numerous other milestones for Syllable that were achieved (hacked;-)) years ago by MS.

There's always room for improvement (in this case a lot). What's your point? Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (testadura) Comments Name clash http://osnews.com/thread?325015 http://osnews.com/thread?325015 Webster is also the name of a browser for RISC OS: http://www.arsvcs.demon.co.uk/webster/

Having two quite distinct browsers with the same name is bit confusing, so I think a rename would be in order. Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (torbenm) Comments RE: Name clash http://osnews.com/thread?325018 http://osnews.com/thread?325018 The RiscOS browser appears to be called "WebsterXL", not "Webster".

It's pretty much impossible to come up with a name that hasn't been used someplace else at some point by another project, sadly. Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Vanders) Comments RE: Awesome... http://osnews.com/thread?325023 http://osnews.com/thread?325023 What a great comment.

Silverberg's Internet Explorer team sized around 100 by 1996 (IE3), probably over 400 the next year (IE4) to reach 1000 by 1999 (IE5).

Comparing a full time money-backed team of 400 1997's achievement to a part time will-backed team of 1 2008's achievement... oh yeah, make so MUCH sense.

Congrats. Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (phoudoin) Comments RE[2]: Name clash http://osnews.com/thread?325125 http://osnews.com/thread?325125 The latest version is indeed called Webster XL, but the product line and the original browser name is just plain Webster.

And, yes, it may be difficult finding a name that hasn't been used somewhere before. But there are not so many different browsers around that it should be a real problem. And a Google search on"Webster browser" would reveal that it is not only the name of a browser for RISC OS but also an add-on for Internet Explorer. Who these days do not do a Google search before deciding on a name for a new product? Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (torbenm) Comments RE[3]: Name clash http://osnews.com/thread?325126 http://osnews.com/thread?325126
Who these days do not do a Google search before deciding on a name for a new product?


I don't, because it's of little consequence and frankly, a huge pain in the backside that detracts from the actual job of getting things done.

As you said yourself, the RISC OS browser is called "Webster XL" and the name is already overloaded anyway, so one more application with the name "Webster" that's tied to a single platform is not going to harm anyone. Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Vanders) Comments