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			<title>So?</title>
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			<description>So... IBM managed to stretch current lithography a little longer... in a lab.. and with RAM apparently...<br />
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Hmm.. show me a current CPU scaled to 22nm or shut up!<br />
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They don't even claim to be ahead of anyone ( though the article eludes to such ) - because they are probably merely on par w/ Intel.<br />
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What would have been interesting:<br />
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1. I.B.M. doing the above and licensing it to AMD<br />
2. I.B.M. had a breakthrough and skipped 32nm<br />
3. I.B.M. saying they would be releasing 22nm<br />
....products to mass production first.<br />
4. I.B.M. creating a 22nm at-home CPU generator,<br />
....come up with a design and build it!<br />
<br />
Speaking on point 4:  Has anyone ever attempted to<br />
make this possible?  It seems it SHOULD be possible<br />
to create a single integrated device which would build chips from input data and materials alone.  It would certainly be a good way to get an early production chip made.  <br />
<br />
Sure it would cost a fortune <img src="/images/emo/sad.gif" alt=";)" /> <br />
<br />
Also, let us not forget that I.B.M. has a poor record when it comes time to deliver.  The mythical SOI on which AMD spent plenty of money they didn't have, was a major PITA for AMD, costing them dearly.  SOI was supposed to end leaking transistors, but AMD had more side-effects from all of the unknowns I.B.M. had never uncovered ( because they never seriously tested the process ) than they would have had just sticking to the same process for another generation and focusing on WHY transistors leak, rather than how to insulate them better.<br />
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Want to know one secret of SOI?  The insulating layer is too good.  It blocks the juice pretty well.  It blocks the heat even better.<br />
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Blocking the heat meant that a redesign was needed to keep heat-generating components further apart, or else a localized burn-out could occur on a CPU with an average core temp of</description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:17:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<author>donotreply@osnews.com (looncraz)</author>
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			<title>RE: So?</title>
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			<description>Wow someone hates IBM... You need some help dude.</description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:53:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<author>donotreply@osnews.com (Sollord)</author>
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			<title>RE: So?</title>
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			<description>who is to say the cpu they are planning to make is intended for your pc?<br />
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maybe they are after the mobile phone market.<br />
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Or at worst, they are doing only so they have the patents and need never develop anything physical as they will make more money in royalties and lawsuits</description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:39:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: So?</title>
			<link>http://osnews.com/thread?331839</link>
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			<description>You know you can write IBM, and everybody would understand you.</description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:16:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<author>donotreply@osnews.com (kwanbis)</author>
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			<title>RE: So?</title>
			<link>http://osnews.com/thread?331856</link>
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			<description><div class="cquote">So... IBM managed to stretch current lithography a little longer... in a lab.. and with RAM apparently...<br />
<br />
Hmm.. show me a current CPU scaled to 22nm or shut up! </div><br />
<br />
Starting with SRAM is quite normal for a new process.<br />
<br />
<div class="cquote">They don't even claim to be ahead of anyone ( though the article eludes to such ) - because they are probably merely on par w/ Intel.<br />
<br />
What would have been interesting:<br />
<br />
1. I.B.M. doing the above and licensing it to AMD </div><br />
AMD will almost certainly have this technology available to them.<br />
<br />
<div class="cquote">2. I.B.M. had a breakthrough and skipped 32nm </div><br />
Not even Intel could do that.<br />
<br />
<div class="cquote">3. I.B.M. saying they would be releasing 22nm<br />
....products to mass production first. </div><br />
It's hard to predict who's first, e.g. the first 45nm part was a BluRay chip.<br />
<br />
<div class="cquote">4. I.B.M. creating a 22nm at-home CPU generator,<br />
....come up with a design and build it!<br />
<br />
Speaking on point 4:  Has anyone ever attempted to<br />
make this possible?  It seems it SHOULD be possible<br />
to create a single integrated device which would build chips from input data and materials alone.  It would certainly be a good way to get an early production chip made.  <br />
<br />
Sure it would cost a fortune <img src="/images/emo/sad.gif" alt=";)" />  </div><br />
<br />
With that much automation, the chips you produce are not likely to be very good.<br />
<br />
<br />
<div class="cquote">Also, let us not forget that I.B.M. has a poor record when it comes time to deliver.  The mythical SOI on which AMD spent plenty of money they didn't have, was a major PITA for AMD, costing them dearly.  SOI was supposed to end leaking transistors,  </div><br />
<br />
Actually AMD already had SOI, except it didn't work very well, that's why they went to IBM.  Who gave them technology that worked.<br />
<br />
<div class="cquote">but AMD had more side-effects from all of the unknowns I.B.M. had never uncovered ( because they never seriously tested the process ) than they would have had just sticking to the same process for another generation and focusing on WHY transistors leak, rather than how to insulate them better. </div><br />
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If they didn't test their process how come it's used by so many big players in the IC industry?</description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:28:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<author>donotreply@osnews.com (Nicholas Blachford)</author>
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			<title>RE: So?</title>
			<link>http://osnews.com/thread?331884</link>
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			<description>Go buy a POWER Chip.</description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:14:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<author>donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione)</author>
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