OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/20565/Microsoft_Internet_Explorer_8_Slips_to_2009 Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:21:27 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com They better wait.... http://osnews.com/thread?337935 http://osnews.com/thread?337935 Because this current beta is JUNK. Crashes often and for no apparent reason. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Phloptical) Comments Release early, Release often http://osnews.com/thread?337944 http://osnews.com/thread?337944 My god this is taking a very long time--almost two and a half/three years for a browser update (and it took them five years to go from 6 to 7). I am really looking forward to significant further penetration from the already excellent alternative browsers.

If Microsoft continues to fail to "release early and release often," the game will be over for them before they know it.Edited 2008-11-21 01:22 UTC Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bink) Comments RE: Release early, Release often http://osnews.com/thread?337950 http://osnews.com/thread?337950 They are certainly taking their time but it is nowhere near game over yet. About 3 out of every 4 computers still use IE because it's bundled with Windows and it does what most people need so they don't bother getting anything better. Bundling IE with Windows was one of the smartest and most evil decisions Microsoft ever made. It led to the obliteration of it's competitors and the beginning of an era of vendor lock-in and incompatibility. And it's domination is not going away anytime soon, despite the criticism. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sultanqasim) Comments RE: They better wait.... http://osnews.com/thread?337952 http://osnews.com/thread?337952 Not that I use IE as my main browser, but I've been testing out version 8 beta 2 and not had any problems with it. It's even nice that most of the websites I design work in it without the need to fix CSS for IE only.

Of course I still prefer Firefox, Opera, or Safari over IE. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (systyrant) Comments RE[2]: Release early, Release often http://osnews.com/thread?337953 http://osnews.com/thread?337953 Don't forget a lot of business use IE because it is manageable through windows domains and while a lot of sites aren't specific to IE anymore their are still a lot that are. Specifically government run sites.

I find some irony in that as well. They sue them for being a monopoly and then turn right around and support that monopoly. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (systyrant) Comments RE[3]: Release early, Release often http://osnews.com/thread?337974 http://osnews.com/thread?337974
Don't forget a lot of business use IE because it is manageable through windows domain


There's a version of Firefox that can be managed with group policies. In fact, it can be controlled even more than IE can. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Soulbender) Comments RE[2]: Release early, Release often http://osnews.com/thread?337976 http://osnews.com/thread?337976 The more you use a browser the higher the possibility that you find out about a better browser. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Fergy) Comments Poor guys! http://osnews.com/thread?337988 http://osnews.com/thread?337988 Now.... I'm just starting to weep for poor ol' Microsoft.

Hell, yeah! I hope they slip IE into 2010... or even better... 2010 in "Windows development time" (say, like 2012 for us mortals). Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (eantoranz) Comments RE[4]: Release early, Release often http://osnews.com/thread?338002 http://osnews.com/thread?338002 Do you have a link for that? I looked some time ago and couldn't find anything. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ventajou) Comments Hmmm.... http://osnews.com/thread?338005 http://osnews.com/thread?338005 Maybe they just need some more time to replace the engine with webkit... ;)

More seriously though, I hope that delay is due to them working hard on a faster javascript engine. Because like it or not, IE is not going away so it might as well be more bearable to develop for and to use. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ventajou) Comments Is it any secret? http://osnews.com/thread?338012 http://osnews.com/thread?338012 It's no secret that the next version Internet Explorer get released along side the next version of Windows.

Don't expect this to come out until around Windows 7 comes.

IE4: Windows 98
IE5: Windows 98 SE
IE5.5: Windows ME
IE6: Windows XP
IE7: Windows Visita
IE8: Windows 7

After all, you could say Internet Explorer and Windows are the same thing.

Anyway, who cares, we all use Firefox, Opera, and Safari now. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tuaris) Comments RE: Is it any secret? http://osnews.com/thread?338016 http://osnews.com/thread?338016
It's no secret that the next version Internet Explorer get released along side the next version of Windows.

Don't expect this to come out until around Windows 7 comes.

IE4: Windows 98
IE5: Windows 98 SE
IE5.5: Windows ME
IE6: Windows XP
IE7: Windows Visita
IE8: Windows 7

After all, you could say Internet Explorer and Windows are the same thing.

Anyway, who cares, we all use Firefox, Opera, and Safari now.


IE 7 was released several months before Vista was released.

Also, IE 6 was released several months before XP.

Also, IE 5 was released several months before Win98SE.

So there goes your entire line of reasoning. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jayson.knight) Comments RE[2]: Is it any secret? http://osnews.com/thread?338022 http://osnews.com/thread?338022
"It's no secret that the next version Internet Explorer get released along side the next version of Windows.

Don't expect this to come out until around Windows 7 comes.

After all, you could say Internet Explorer and Windows are the same thing.

Anyway, who cares, we all use Firefox, Opera, and Safari now.


IE 7 was released several months before Vista was released.

Also, IE 6 was released several months before XP.

Also, IE 5 was released several months before Win98SE.

So there goes your entire line of reasoning. "
So IE8 will be released "several months" before the next Windows version according to the data you provided.
When will that be? Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bannor99) Comments Chromium source code confusing? http://osnews.com/thread?338023 http://osnews.com/thread?338023 Perhaps the delay is due to the Google Chromium source
being too complicated? Or they're having trouble obfuscating
it so they can't be accused of plagiarism?

Just a thought :-DEdited 2008-11-21 22:41 UTC Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bannor99) Comments RE[3]: Is it any secret? http://osnews.com/thread?338026 http://osnews.com/thread?338026
So IE8 will be released "several months" before the next Windows version according to the data you provided.
When will that be?


Who knows, this is MS after all. I was just correcting the parent poster by saying that MS has almost always in the past released the newest version of IE a few months before the Windows release it will be included in. No doubt to iron out any last second bugs and get patches included in the subsequent Windows release. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jayson.knight) Comments RE[2]: They better wait.... http://osnews.com/thread?338034 http://osnews.com/thread?338034 For the amount of advertising they do for people to download the beta, you'd think it should be a stable app. I try to download IE7, and it's an afterthought buried in the page. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Phloptical) Comments RE: Poor guys! http://osnews.com/thread?338075 http://osnews.com/thread?338075 I hope they don't slip. I hate IE as much as the next guy, but any standards improvements in IE8 will go a long way in make everyone's life easier. We still have 75% of the population using this browser. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Hussein) Comments RE[2]: Poor guys! http://osnews.com/thread?338148 http://osnews.com/thread?338148
I hope they don't slip. I hate IE as much as the next guy, but any standards improvements in IE8 will go a long way in make everyone's life easier. We still have 75% of the population using this browser.


I doubt it vey much.

IE7 has only recently passed IE6, and IE8 usage doesn't even register yet.

Firefox alone has significantly more than 25%, and more than any single version of IE.

If a significant number of people haven't yet moved off IE6, they are hardly going to be instant adopters of IE8 are they?

Finally ... IE8 still falls a long, long way short of standards compliance. It is significantly better than IE6 and even IE7, but still miles behind any other contemporary browser in use today with measurable market share. Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments RE[5]: Release early, Release often http://osnews.com/thread?338164 http://osnews.com/thread?338164 http://www.frontmotion.com/FMFirefoxCE/index.htmEdited 2008-11-24 11:47 UTC Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Soulbender) Comments