OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/20815/New_Volume_Control_Interface_for_GNOME Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sun, 19 May 2013 21:22:04 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Per-alert and per-app volumes http://www.osnews.com/thread?344635 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344635 The per-alert volumes are a nice feature. Taking this further, one could imagine per-file volumes, where each audio file remembers its own volume setting which is applied each time that audio file is played. It could be saved in an attribute or similar. Like how media players eg WMP save volume levelling data, but system-wide.

I remember reading a nice blog post about the subtleties of Vista's per-app volume mixer. For instance, Vista's mixer keeps listing an app for a few seconds after it stops playing audio, so if some app blares out an alert sound, you can quieten it for next time even after the sound has stopped.
Edit: here's the link: http://blogs.msdn.com/larryosterman/archive/2008/01/08/what-s-this-... Edited 2009-01-21 00:22 UTC Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Morph) Comments Good, but hopefully not too dependent on Pulseaudio http://www.osnews.com/thread?344643 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344643 Glad to see this being worked on. Sound preferences and volume controls have been a weak point in most GNOME distros for a long time now, a lot of times requiring command-line access for something as simple as changing the default audio device. This isn't the case in all GNOME distros, but most of them seem to have some issues with audio device control via GNOME.
However, I hope they don't require Pulseaudio for some of the basics. Yes, per-application volume and other features would require it. But hopefully they allow simple things such as changing the default device via the GUI without Pulseaudio, as Pulse is not always suitable for every application. Further, some apps just don't work with Pulse running at the moment, so hopefully they provide an easy way to enable and disable it. OpenSUSE already has this via yast. Wed, 21 Jan 2009 01:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments RE: Per-alert and per-app volumes http://www.osnews.com/thread?344644 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344644 Per file volume? I'm not exactly sure how helpful that would really be, I think it might get in the way more than help. To each their own, I guess. Wed, 21 Jan 2009 01:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments dependency on Pulse http://www.osnews.com/thread?344648 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344648 I hope they don't build a hard dependency on Pulse as Pulse Audio is a regression on many platforms at the moment. Last time I tried Ubuntu on an old Dell D620 it broke audio and FreeBSD, Solaris et al still have not integrated either... Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (chekr) Comments horizontal http://www.osnews.com/thread?344661 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344661 Like I mentioned in the phoronix forums, I don't like the horizontal volume slider.

"I also loved the way the volume control appeared underneath and nicely aligned with the systray icon in Gnome. It was held up as an example of a little thing that was done right - in short: polish. So much for that I guess." Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MamiyaOtaru) Comments Why does anyone use PulsAudio? http://www.osnews.com/thread?344667 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344667 Why does anyone use PulsAudio? It produces sound glitches and offsets (latency!) on my system. This is crap. Imagine playing a game and hearing the sounds half a sec to a sec after the visual event has happened!! When I uninstall PulseAudio everything works fine. I really don't get what problem PulseAudio is supposed to solve. Wed, 21 Jan 2009 07:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (panzi) Comments I hate the new interface http://www.osnews.com/thread?344672 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344672 I think the mixer and volume from kde4.2 is better
and it looks the way we are used (like the previous gnome volume manager)

Now i have to retrain the users and is harder to find the mixer settings , and kde is just simple

ps: the volume from kde can be put horizontally or vertically Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mariuz) Comments RE: dependency on Pulse http://www.osnews.com/thread?344673 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344673 I agree. Pulse Audio is quite unstable and problem prone at the moment. As a FreeBSD user, I'm more concerned about the integration of PulseAudio. Gnome should use by default a platform independent sound subsystem (OSS, for instance). Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fernape) Comments RE: Why does anyone use PulsAudio? http://www.osnews.com/thread?344675 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344675 yes sometimes i hate pulse audio that i remove everything
related to it


it seems it solves the playing your music on other computers (remote sound) but the low latency is gone and eats cpu instead
and i can hear scratches on low end machines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mariuz) Comments RE: horizontal http://www.osnews.com/thread?344682 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344682 As an option, it would be nice to have a horizontal slider visible at all times on the Gonme panel itself.

Most music players do it because it would be ridiculously inconvenient to click first and then adjust the volume (I'm looking at you, Banshee!) Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Cymro) Comments RE[2]: horizontal http://www.osnews.com/thread?344686 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344686 You can hover over the button and use your scrollwheel to adjust the volume in Banshee, in Rhythmbox, on the panel... Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tomasz Dominikowski) Comments RE: horizontal http://www.osnews.com/thread?344694 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344694 It's not going to be a horizontal slider. Ubuntu is using a different slider, and not following upstream.

http://www.hadess.net/2009/01/nb-it-doesnt-actually-look-like-that.... Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bpepple) Comments RE: Why does anyone use PulsAudio? http://www.osnews.com/thread?344697 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344697 No problems here, and it gives me the one feature of Vista I like: per-application volume control. Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (charlieb) Comments RE[2]: Per-alert and per-app volumes http://www.osnews.com/thread?344748 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344748 It’s called replay gain, and the majority of audio file formats can have a setting embedded in the metadata. Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Beta) Comments RE[2]: Why does anyone use PulsAudio? http://www.osnews.com/thread?344749 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344749
it seems it solves the playing your music on other computers (remote sound)
in actuality, the problem that lead to having an audio server was allowing more than one application at a time emit sound without "device already in use" errors - since performing audio mixing at device driver level (hence in the kernel) is an allegedly "fundamentally wrong" thing to do, a userpace server process was deemed as required

remote sound was a design feature of some other sound server (eg MAS) born for distributed setups
but for pulseaudio mostly results from designing the server around the use of sockets (as sockets are the only common ipc methods on unix like systems), not that many desktop users needed to play sounds on another machine...Edited 2009-01-21 15:44 UTC Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (silix) Comments just turn it sideways and leave it along the top bar http://www.osnews.com/thread?344784 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344784 They could make it so much better by just turning it sideways and leave it along the top bar - there is plenty of space up there for it.

Also, fix the mute behavior - the main mute button and the advanced mute button seem to do two different things (!?).

Also, get rid of the mute button - if I turn the volume down all the way by clicking the bottom of the volume bar (or the left side of it, ideally) then it should mute - do we really need the extra toggle button? At least put it along the top bar next to the volume slider, if we really need it. Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (CaptainN-) Comments RE: Per-alert and per-app volumes http://www.osnews.com/thread?344858 http://www.osnews.com/thread?344858
Taking this further, one could imagine per-file volumes, where each audio file remembers its own volume setting which is applied each time that audio file is played.


That's one of the things that I always liked about the basic "MediaPlayer" app in BeOS - it saved per-file volume settings in the metadata of individual files, so the volume would stay the same next time that file was opened. Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (StephenBeDoper) Comments