OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/21116/Rumours_Abound_About_Apple_Netbook Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:07:37 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com 12.1? http://osnews.com/thread?352533 http://osnews.com/thread?352533 Personally, I think anything larger than a 10 inch screen is too big for a netbook. It's not only the thickness and weight of the machine that counts, but also the overall dimensions, and to me anything larger than a 10.2 screen would simply make it too big. It would be a pretty small notebook, but not a netbook. Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments I tried to use some of them and hated it. http://osnews.com/thread?352534 http://osnews.com/thread?352534 What would really be neat, is an ARM-based Apple netbook.
A bastard child of the iPod Touch and the MacBook.

I'd buy one. For everyone I know. Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (godDLL) Comments itll be... http://osnews.com/thread?352536 http://osnews.com/thread?352536 Probably thinner than the current crop. Have an aluminum case, multitouch touchpad thats too big and gets in the way *cough* ala macbook pro *cough* (I have one at work, its a PITA). a 4200rpm 80gb hdd - because anything better would hurt the Air -, be limited to 1gb of ram. Period. It'll be a hardware limitation. Because if it could handle more, it'd take even more away from the Air. have the same, lame, 1024x600 resolution LED backlit screen most of the netbooks have. Oh, and a glowing Apple logo on the lid to annoy the people sitting across from you at the cafe.

And be priced at the ever so reasonable price of $899 for the 512mb model with 32gb hdd and 4 cell battery. Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (helf) Comments RE: 12.1? http://osnews.com/thread?352540 http://osnews.com/thread?352540 I agree with that - the fundamental concepts of a netbook are that it's cheap, yes, and that it's extremely portable, both small and lightweight.

It's not like there's an exact line to draw, but for me at least, a 12" model seems too much a compromise - too big to really benefit from that easy mobility, and too underpowered compared to other larger machines. That just leaves the advantage of being cheap, and well, we're talking Apple here... Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Delgarde) Comments OS-X on small displays http://osnews.com/thread?352541 http://osnews.com/thread?352541
The interesting bit would be the software. The Mac OS X user interface isn't exactly geared towards small displays, which raises the question whether or not Apple has to come up with a special interface of some sort to make Mac OS X better fit for small displays.


Oh, I don't know. There are people out there who have managed to get OS-X installed on netbooks, and while it might not be perfect, it seems to work for them... Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Delgarde) Comments RE: 12.1? http://osnews.com/thread?352545 http://osnews.com/thread?352545
Personally, I think anything larger than a 10 inch screen is too big for a netbook. It's not only the thickness and weight of the machine that counts, but also the overall dimensions, and to me anything larger than a 10.2 screen would simply make it too big. It would be a pretty small notebook, but not a netbook.


There is of course a limit to how small the bevel can be, but if you had NO bevel at all you could go all the way down to about 10.5 inches in width on a 12 inch/16:9 display - about the same width as current 10 inch netbooks. My bet is they do a 12 inch screen with a VERY small bevel (say 1/8 inch) to keep the form factor close to existing 10 inch netbooks. If they build it out of aluminum (as they do everything else) the case will have more structural integrity and they can probably reduce the bevel significantly.

Hell, Id be happy if they just lifted the screen from the old HP Mini Note 2133 (8.9" 1280x768). Sure its small, but the resolution is drastically better than any of the current netbook offerings.

Regardless, no matter what they do, I would almost guarantee Apple will not use the same panel as everyone else - they will go with a higher resolution panel no matter what the size. Its the resolution that is the problem with the current netbook crop, not the screen size. Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (galvanash) Comments Comment by yokem55 http://osnews.com/thread?352549 http://osnews.com/thread?352549 My bet is that Apple, having gotten hooked on the money that their AT&T revue sharing agreement makes an ARM tablet, basically a larger iphone (maybe an 8" screen?), that AT&T sells at $499 with a $40/month data plan. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (yokem55) Comments RE: OS-X on small displays http://osnews.com/thread?352551 http://osnews.com/thread?352551 one of my friends runs OSX 10.5.6 on his inspiron mini 9. He LOVES it. the hardware is 100% supported. He showed me some videos of it running (he's in another state) and its super smooth. boots up in about 50 seconds.

His specs :
1.6ghz Atom
2GB ram
16gb ssd
1.3mp cam
5in1 card reader
bt 2.0
wifi G

I'm actually planning on getting one. The only downside is the screen resolution, but I can deal with that. I'm probably going to run OSX on it as well. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (helf) Comments RE: 12.1? http://osnews.com/thread?352555 http://osnews.com/thread?352555
It would be a pretty small notebook, but not a netbook.


That size would also put it in a position to potentially cannibalize sales of the Macbook Air (which I'm sure Apple doesn't want, unless they're planning to kill off the MBA).

And related, but slightly OT: I am hoping that the popularity of netbooks will help drive down the price of "ultraportables" (Thinkpad x-series, etc). I've encountered more and more casual computer users having "What the eff?" reactions when they notice the $2,500 price difference between 2lb and 3lb laptops. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (StephenBeDoper) Comments Can we get real? http://osnews.com/thread?352556 http://osnews.com/thread?352556 Who's really using netbooks? They have limited screen, kybrd, battery, proc, memory, etc. Know people say, "well they've hackintoshed some POS to run OS 10.5. Wouldn't it be cool to run a real Apple tablet or grown up Ipod Touch, running 10.6? Its made to be smaller, faster, more portable, etc, and taking power into consideration will change the way people think about netbooks. Just google "Apple patent tablet" and click images, you'll see your vaunted Mac tablet. And yes it'll be better than the POS youre using now. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jackeebleu) Comments Thinner but with bigger footprint? Was RE[2]: 12.1? http://osnews.com/thread?352563 http://osnews.com/thread?352563
"It would be a pretty small notebook, but not a netbook.
That size would also put it in a position to potentially cannibalize sales of the Macbook Air (which I'm sure Apple doesn't want, unless they're planning to kill off the MBA). "
I've got the chance to compare my Ideapad S10 with one of my student's MBA after class. While the MBA certainly is admirably thin, it is wider. So with a forthcoming Mac netbook, which way would Apple go: not so thin but smaller footprint, or thinner but bigger footprint. Lenovo has other Ideapads that fit the latter category, but they're not marketed as netbooks, which the S series is.

Talk is though, that the 2009 generation of netbooks could very well have the 12.1" screen form factor. Lenovo's rumored S20 supposedly will be so, Samsung's NC20 already is, so if the netbook moniker will be successfully applied to this size then a Mac portable with the same dimensions could be called one as well.Edited 2009-03-11 01:07 UTC Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (RavinRay) Comments this is what it be like. http://osnews.com/thread?352569 http://osnews.com/thread?352569 it would be tiny, pointless. pretty, and smooth. and cost more than a high end pc laptop. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (graigsmith) Comments It wouldn't matter... http://osnews.com/thread?352583 http://osnews.com/thread?352583 Just to clarify something Thom. The iPhone's OS runs only a single foreground application through an imposed limitation. That doesn't mean it isn't capable of running more, and the iPhone's menu system is just another App, which by the way is not dissimilar to a simplified interface and software management system Apple built years ago called AtEase, which interestingly could prevent the user from running more than one app at a time. So the underlying OS could very well be a candidate for an Apple Netbook, although I think it would be more likely to be a more standard version of OSX with a lot of the iPhone's goodies included. Oh wait, we're already seeing some of that in Snow Leopard - hmmm I wonder what that's all about then?

That said, it really wouldn't matter what specs or features Apple built into a Netbook there would be some people who would love it purely because it carries the logo, and some people who would hate it for the very same reason... Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mrhasbean) Comments RE: Comment by yokem55 http://osnews.com/thread?352590 http://osnews.com/thread?352590
My bet is that Apple, having gotten hooked on the money that their AT&T revue sharing agreement makes an ARM tablet, basically a larger iphone (maybe an 8" screen?), that AT&T sells at $499 with a $40/month data plan.


I would believe a tablet like that would be their choice, but without inbuilt phone support, more like an iPod touch. The operating system would have to be a more typical Mac OS X installation, though still limited.

The trouble is whether the touch screen itself would be too expensive for the whole thing to be available at a reasonable (for Apple or otherwise) price. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bousozoku) Comments If Cupertino built a netbook... http://osnews.com/thread?352598 http://osnews.com/thread?352598 1) It will be locked to an App store, and any attempt to unlock it would be prosecuted under the DMCA, copyright law, the EULA and perhaps the prevention of terrorism legislation.

2) It will be locked to a mobile network, and any attempt to unlock it.....yes, as above...

3) All apps for it, in the App store, will have to meet the provisions of decency and fitness. These provisions will be enforced by a small army of clerks in Bangalore who will be paid the minimum wage. They will play betting games on who can deny the best app submission for the silliest reason.

4) It will play videos which can be bought from the App store, which will be encrypted using some special Apple encryption scheme, and attempts to unlock or hack this....yes, you guessed it, you terrorist!

4) The hardware will have some completely silly unique feature that no-one can use for anything useful. For instance, it may come with wireless recharging of its battery. You will recharge the battery by putting the machine on a special charging plate which only works with this device. This will work rather well, most of the time.

5) The battery will not just be soldered to the machine, it will be welded in. Anyone who needs to change batteries probably is a terrorist.

6) There will be iBooks, which will be made available from a section of the App store. These too will be encrypted in a special Apple encryption....

7) There will be serious heavy duty integration of the hardware and software, for instance, the hinges of the case will have special drivers which will be part of the kernel. This will ensure that the user has a seamless experience.

8) People will object to all this on the grounds that it is DRM encrusted, and we will have two replies. One is, if you don't like it, don't buy it. The other is, marketing is still working on the other. We may say that the underlying kernel is open source, since it is based on Darwin. Or maybe we will say that we are a hardware company after all.

Whatever, whole armies of people will defend us and buy it regardless. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (alcibiades) Comments RE[2]: 12.1? http://osnews.com/thread?352604 http://osnews.com/thread?352604 The VAIO P is not a cheap netbook--correction, "UMPC". There's a market for expensive netbooks, especially if they do something nobody else does - something Apple always try to do with a new product in a new market.

You can guarantee that *if* Apple enter the Netbook market, they will do something either innovative, or do something that's always been possible (touch screen for example) but just make it actually *usable* for the general public. Touch screen is nice, but XP isn't exactly _designed_ for it, whereas iPhone is! Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments RE: If Cupertino built a netbook... http://osnews.com/thread?352605 http://osnews.com/thread?352605 I don't know whether to mod Funny or Insightful! ;) Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments Comment by gfx1 http://osnews.com/thread?352614 http://osnews.com/thread?352614 The crippled base model will be 1.5 times as expensive as a normal one and the model you want/need at least twice the price of a netbook so 799 euro could be higher though. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gfx1) Comments PA Semi Team http://osnews.com/thread?352628 http://osnews.com/thread?352628 I wonder what are doing all the CPU design experts that Apple got when they bought PA Semiconductors which created fine and highly efficient PowerPC chips (PA6T core). They are supposed to design ARM-based System On Chip devices.

I'm convinced that Apple is preparing something original, maybe not another x86 netbook (current netbooks are fine hackintoshes), probably more of the kind large-iphone-with-a-keyboard. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Treza) Comments RE[2]: 12.1? http://osnews.com/thread?352640 http://osnews.com/thread?352640 Well the gigabyte m912 has a much higher resolution as well as a touchscreen...
But if apple already has the perfect netbook, except for the price, the macbook air...
Believe me that thing is what a netbook should be and it is miles better than any netbook in existence!

Anyway, apple has one huge advantage when it enters the netbook market, they are not crippled by Microsofts insane limitations pushed onto the OEMs for getting XP onto netbooks!
So they can bring out a bigger harddisk, and probably a bigger screen, but it will be interesting on what they are going to do not to cut into the sales of the air! Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (werpu) Comments RE: PA Semi Team http://osnews.com/thread?352641 http://osnews.com/thread?352641
I wonder what are doing all the CPU design experts that Apple got when they bought PA Semiconductors which created fine and highly efficient PowerPC chips (PA6T core). They are supposed to design ARM-based System On Chip devices.

I'm convinced that Apple is preparing something original, maybe not another x86 netbook (current netbooks are fine hackintoshes), probably more of the kind large-iphone-with-a-keyboard.


They bought it for the iphone period, the iphone is arm based and will be for the forseeable future, not matter what Intel says they are not in the same league with their measly Atoms! Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (werpu) Comments Unfortunately, Thom is still wrong... http://osnews.com/thread?352642 http://osnews.com/thread?352642 The iPhone and iPod Touch are netbooks, and they completely demolish anything in the market right now. A bigger iPod Touch is simply going to be awesome, especially with some sort of Simple Finder/At Ease feature from good ol' classic Mac OS. An application switcher that allows for basic multitasking.

Of course, I was also intrigued by some of the ARM-based prototypes too, so that might be nice. I just think Apple will probably try to steer clear from a cramped keyboard, since that is the weirdest and lamest feature of netbooks right now. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (NathanHill) Comments RE: Unfortunately, Thom is still wrong... http://osnews.com/thread?352648 http://osnews.com/thread?352648
The iPhone and iPod Touch are netbooks, and they completely demolish anything in the market right now.

Uh huh, just keep telling yourself that. The iPhone and iPod Touch are very capable devices, but they're not netbooks by any stretch, no matter what Jobs has said. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments RE: OS-X on small displays http://osnews.com/thread?352655 http://osnews.com/thread?352655 The user interface is the finder, the dock and the system wide menu bar. Replacing the former two is a relativly easy operation for Apple. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DonMartin65) Comments Here it is... http://osnews.com/thread?352661 http://osnews.com/thread?352661 I'm sure it will look something like this:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionar...

And while you're there check this one out:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/sony_releases_new_stupid_piec... Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (stereotype) Comments come on, give me my newton^2! http://osnews.com/thread?352666 http://osnews.com/thread?352666 i'd prefer something like these netbooks:

http://osnews.com/story/21031/ARM_Shows_Prototype_Netbooks
http://osnews.com/story/21075/Want_Touch_Book

osx doesn't need a x86-processor, it does run on arm-processor. even a single arm-core at say 1ghz should be fast enough for the stuff most people do on netbooks. the most taxing stuff are compressed movies and flash-ads. a media-coprocessor aka gpu could help with the movies. opencl might also help. and i'd really like a fanless design with > 10 hours battery life.

ed: changed touch book link to osnewsEdited 2009-03-11 15:29 UTC Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (puenktchen) Comments my view on an Apple netbook http://osnews.com/thread?352680 http://osnews.com/thread?352680 Netbooks are supposed to be portable, but most of them have a short battery life. I hope that if Apple introduces a 'netbook' it will have an impressive battery life.
It should be a device you don't need to switch off anymore and only need to plug in the power cord once every couple of days (typical use).
I think the 1024x600 resolution is fine for such a device and processing power doesn't need to be more than other netbook.
Give it an Apple design and optionally a specific gui and it could convince me to buy one. Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (spinnekopje) Comments