OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/21507/Episode_9_Bndwth_Svngs Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:40:40 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Savings.. http://osnews.com/thread?364024 http://osnews.com/thread?364024 That won't nessesarily save anything since the packets are usually padded to a much larger size. Use titles freely, people! We only live once. Mon, 18 May 2009 13:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Buck) Comments RE: Savings.. http://osnews.com/thread?364025 http://osnews.com/thread?364025
That won't nessesarily save anything since...

No. But a Speex feed would. No doubt they'll wait 'til the rationing starts, OSNews being ever on the forefront of web innovation and all that.Edited 2009-05-18 14:05 UTC Mon, 18 May 2009 14:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sbergman27) Comments Comment by Tomasz Dominikowski http://osnews.com/thread?364029 http://osnews.com/thread?364029 Talk talk talk BOOOM blowing into the microphone. Kroc, please. I appreciate the better sound quality, but put the microphone next to your mouth, not in front of it.

And why am I getting the impression that Kroc stands next to the well in which Thom is sitting? The sound levels are uneven. Either Kroc is too loud or Thom is too quiet. Mon, 18 May 2009 14:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tomasz Dominikowski) Comments RE[2]: Savings.. http://osnews.com/thread?364033 http://osnews.com/thread?364033 What the heck does that mean? We're ALWAYS open to new ideas and constantly experimenting and changing the site. Why would you throw out some trendy, BARELY USED buzzword and then be snide about us not dropping everything to implement your wish to appease the three people who might care about it today? Mon, 18 May 2009 16:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adam S) Comments RE[3]: Savings.. http://osnews.com/thread?364035 http://osnews.com/thread?364035
We're ALWAYS open to new ideas and constantly experimenting and changing the site.

Then why are you taking offense and insulting Xiph's very useful and effective open format for encoding voice by calling it a "BARELY USED buzzword", rather than considering the advantages, to yourselves and your listeners, of providing a Speex feed?

The oversensitivity of OSNews staff to criticisms, and suggestions (which often seem to be taken as criticism) can become annoying at times.Edited 2009-05-18 16:29 UTC Mon, 18 May 2009 16:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sbergman27) Comments RE[4]: Savings.. http://osnews.com/thread?364038 http://osnews.com/thread?364038 For the same reason we don't provide an OGG podcast, because we can't accommodate every single request for every single format, we don't implement every single web extension or support every single standard. No one has *ever* requested Speex support before, yet you're leaving a trollish comment incredulously ranting about why we don't support it, as though it somehow diminishes the site experience.

You know what's really annoying? Users who hijack the comments to whine about how we're not stopping in our tracks to work on their immediate wishlist (which may benefit ~4 people). Mon, 18 May 2009 16:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adam S) Comments RE[4]: Savings.. http://osnews.com/thread?364039 http://osnews.com/thread?364039 >99% has an .mp3 codec installed. Mon, 18 May 2009 16:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments more savings http://osnews.com/thread?364041 http://osnews.com/thread?364041 If you remove the useless comments in the generated page (What is this? <!-- Arrrr! Hess! Hess! --> ??? ), filter the page to remove \t \n and why not \r, if you use those kind of systems, would get better savings without quality lose.

Also those ads waste bandwidth... Mon, 18 May 2009 16:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (krom) Comments RE[3]: Savings.. http://osnews.com/thread?364042 http://osnews.com/thread?364042 Speex is actually probably the most popular open voice codec. I completely disagree with the suggestion to use it, however. Speex is more for use in situations that need to do low latency, high quality VoIP transmission. It is completely inappropriate for this sort of distribution, because no general purpose audio player worth mentioning can play it. Not to mention that MP3 (or AAC) is basically a requirement for podcasts, else you'll no longer be able to play it in iTunes or on your iPod.

If you're really looking to cut bandwidth usage, this MP3 could easily have its bitrate cut in half and remain listenable. 24-32kbps is common for spoken word podcasts and internet streams. Mon, 18 May 2009 16:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Alex Forster) Comments RE[4]: Savings.. http://osnews.com/thread?364045 http://osnews.com/thread?364045 We're actually not looking to cut bandwidth usage. Kroc was making a joke about the length of the podcast. No one is worried about about bandwidth.

That said, I'll mention the bitrate cut to Kroc. Mon, 18 May 2009 16:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adam S) Comments RE: more savings http://osnews.com/thread?364046 http://osnews.com/thread?364046 I'm not sure where the misunderstanding is here, but no one is actively trying to save bandwidth. The podcast is long, Kroc made a joke, the end. Mon, 18 May 2009 16:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adam S) Comments RE[5]: Savings.. http://osnews.com/thread?364048 http://osnews.com/thread?364048
OSNews is not some obscure blog with three visitors - we have hundreds of thousands of people visiting OSNews


Whoa there Thom, ego.

Compete says 50k/month- http://siteanalytics.compete.com/osnews.com/

Google trends says 15k/month, optimistically- http://trends.google.com/websites?q=osnews.com

And as anyone knows these kinds of figures are all ridiculously inflated. Judging by the average amount of comments per story, I'd say a coupe thousand regular readers at most.Edited 2009-05-18 16:49 UTC Mon, 18 May 2009 16:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Alex Forster) Comments RE[6]: Savings.. http://osnews.com/thread?364049 http://osnews.com/thread?364049 I think it was just poor communication. We do several million hits a month, obviously not all uniques. Our internal stats easily confirm tens of thousands uniques though.

Edit: fixed weird grammarEdited 2009-05-18 16:50 UTC Mon, 18 May 2009 16:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adam S) Comments RE[6]: Savings.. http://osnews.com/thread?364050 http://osnews.com/thread?364050 Yeah you're right, hundreds of thousands is nonsense of course, I meant it as a hyperbole, but it didn't come through very well.

Still, your figures are way off, it's a little more. Mon, 18 May 2009 16:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments RE[2]: more savings http://osnews.com/thread?364054 http://osnews.com/thread?364054 No misunderstanding, I just wanted to note the comments in the page source, some are funny, and was making a joke.

btw, did you really remove the "Arrrr! Hess! Hess!" and keep the "If blood and lust taste so sweet, then we should give them what they want"? LOL Mon, 18 May 2009 17:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (krom) Comments RE[3]: more savings http://osnews.com/thread?364055 http://osnews.com/thread?364055 :)

I *LOVE* that anyone sees them, let alone laughs at them.Edited 2009-05-18 17:11 UTC Mon, 18 May 2009 17:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adam S) Comments Let me just say... http://osnews.com/thread?364066 http://osnews.com/thread?364066 that this episode was well done and, at least for me, the sound volumes and quality were perfect... and for once, it appears Garage band actually cooperated too.

Keep up the good work, you two and, of course, everyone else behind osnews.

Now, to all the complainers out there: Remember, these guys aren't getting paid to do this Podcast, and whether you like it or not, MP3 is the most widely supported and used codec. If you really feel the need to complain about lack of ogg/speex/whatever codecs for a podcast that needs to be as universal as possible, either go get a life or, by all means, role your own. It's a wide wide web out there, and you are free to do your own podcast in whatever codec and format you wish. Why not just appreciate what is being done here? They don't have to do it and, if this kind of bitching keeps up, I wouldn't blame them for saying "screw this" and having done with it.
Finally... trolling that your preferred format isn't available when you had never even made a request for it is just stupid. The last time I checked, none of us on this wonderful rock we call home were telepathic.

So, good job Thom and Kroc, and to the trolls... go hide under a bridge or something. Mon, 18 May 2009 19:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments RE: Let me just say... http://osnews.com/thread?364067 http://osnews.com/thread?364067
and for once, it appears Garage band actually cooperated too.


Garageband DID crap out... Kroc just cut it out ;) . Garageband on MY PowerMac continued to function properly, as always ;) .

Power to PPC, people. Mon, 18 May 2009 19:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments RE[2]: Let me just say... http://osnews.com/thread?364077 http://osnews.com/thread?364077 Nice editing job on that one, I didn't even notice a drop in the sound. Mon, 18 May 2009 19:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments RE[3]: Let me just say... http://osnews.com/thread?364086 http://osnews.com/thread?364086 It didn’t crash, we merely paused and restarted to avoid GarageBand ’06 crashing at 1:06:00 and cut it together. Mon, 18 May 2009 19:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments