OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/21605/Flash_To_Be_Optimised_for_Intel_NVIDIA_Netbooks Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:34:54 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Comment by Kroc http://osnews.com/thread?366692 http://osnews.com/thread?366692 Because backroom deals and proprietary hardware are the better solution compared to JUST WRITING GOOD SOFTWARE TO BEGIN WITH?

Grief, the APIs are there Adobe. Windows has WPF, Apple has Quartz2DE, use them.

Apple, or somebody, please buy Adobe and then proceed to fire the entire programming staff, and then make Adobe products no longer suck because the world doesn’t need any more of Adobe’s ass-backwards mistakes. Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments RE: Comment by Kroc http://osnews.com/thread?366693 http://osnews.com/thread?366693 Yup.

I never understood this. Microsoft can optimise the heck out of something as complex as Vista and make it faster and leaner with Windows 7. Apple has been able to do the same with Mac OS X for a few releases as well.

And you tell me Adobe can't do the same with Flash? Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments RE[2]: Comment by Kroc http://osnews.com/thread?366694 http://osnews.com/thread?366694 Even worse, open source programs like VLC play flash movies smoother than flash itself Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ventajou) Comments That's funny http://osnews.com/thread?366696 http://osnews.com/thread?366696 Flash is a terrible resource hog on just about any device

That should read "Every Adobe Product" is a terrible resource hog, and it keeps getting worse with each release. Adobe is the king of Feature Bloat. Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Phloptical) Comments RE[3]: Comment by Kroc http://osnews.com/thread?366703 http://osnews.com/thread?366703
Even worse, open source programs like VLC play flash movies smoother than flash itself


No joke. Thank goodness for the K-meleon browser otherwise I couldn't watch Hulu on my PIII 1Ghz HTPC, because Firefox and Flash would be too much for it at the same time! Too bad Netflix doesn't work with K-meleon. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jimbofluffy) Comments Broadcomm http://osnews.com/thread?366710 http://osnews.com/thread?366710 Requires a Broadcomm graphics processor. It will be nice and incompatible then :-) Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (3rdalbum) Comments RE[3]: Comment by Kroc http://osnews.com/thread?366711 http://osnews.com/thread?366711 Wrong, they use different display logic, where VLC only displays video, flash can display a lot of stuff over the video (user don't really need it but the feature is available).
Flash is slowly following the path of macromedia shockwave path. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dvhh) Comments Hmm... http://osnews.com/thread?366713 http://osnews.com/thread?366713 I normally don't wish something bad upon someone/something, but I hope Silverlight kicks ass and grabs a majority of marketshare, thereby forcing Adobe to make drastic performance improvements to Flash. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (1c3d0g) Comments Too damn proprietary! http://osnews.com/thread?366750 http://osnews.com/thread?366750 The catch? You need a Broadcom Media Accelerator, or an NVIDIA graphics chip.

And Windows... Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rramalho) Comments RE: Hmm... http://osnews.com/thread?366788 http://osnews.com/thread?366788
I normally don't wish something bad upon someone/something, but I hope Silverlight kicks ass and grabs a majority of marketshare,


Hell no. Worst possible outcome imaginable.

Thankfully, it doesn't look like happening. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments RE[4]: Comment by Kroc http://osnews.com/thread?366794 http://osnews.com/thread?366794
Wrong, they use different display logic, where VLC only displays video, flash can display a lot of stuff over the video (user don't really need it but the feature is available).
Flash is slowly following the path of macromedia shockwave path.


Actually, you don't need flash (or Silverlight for that matter) in order to "display a lot of stuff over the video".

Ordinary web standards (those being HTML5 video tag, Javascript/CSS3, SVG and animated PNG) can do all that.

http://blog.dailymotion.com/2009/05/27/watch-videowithout-flash/

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=n...

Strangely enough, IE supports none of this. You will need Firefox 3.5 to see the full effects.

If you have a pre-release version of Firefox 3.5, the demos are here:

http://www.dailymotion.com/openvideodemo

More about what can be done using web standards is here:

https://library.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Web_Graphics%2F%...) Edited 2009-06-03 14:16 UTC Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments RE: Hmm... http://osnews.com/thread?366804 http://osnews.com/thread?366804 The solution is not to substitute one horrible plugin for another but to get rid of plugins altogether.

Maybe once the HTML 5 spec is finished by the middle of the next decade and actually implemented by most browsers sometime around 2020, and implemented by IE sometime around 2030 we can burn both Flash and Silverlight and be rid of this nonsense once and for all. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (flynn) Comments RE[2]: Hmm... http://osnews.com/thread?366826 http://osnews.com/thread?366826
The solution is not to substitute one horrible plugin for another but to get rid of plugins altogether.


That would be an acceptable situation - use "Flash" in the same way ordinary pictural / image files are used in a web browser. Just imagine you would have to install a plugin for JPG graphics that "accidentally" isn't available for your platform or browser... Of course, tha ability to TURN IT OFF is a "must have", as it is already possible with graphics, for example in Opera where you can switch off graphics and CSS.

The problem I see is that "Flash" seems to hook so deeply into the system that it can't easily be implemented in all (!) browsers. Otherwise Linux and UNIX browsers would already include "Flash" for years by default. But such a solution would require that "Flash" is made an open standard (or a standard at least, which it isn't).

Maybe once the HTML 5 spec is finished by the middle of the next decade and actually implemented by most browsers sometime around 2020, and implemented by IE sometime around 2030 we can burn both Flash and Silverlight and be rid of this nonsense once and for all.


WE'll see. But in fact, I think there will soon be other "modern technologies" that get their way around HTML 5 and do something similarly stupid. Furthermore, I think MICROS~1 will have much responsibility for this development... :-) Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Doc Pain) Comments RE[4]: Comment by Kroc http://osnews.com/thread?366849 http://osnews.com/thread?366849 Subtitles Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Beta) Comments RE: That's funny http://osnews.com/thread?366854 http://osnews.com/thread?366854 Ain't that the truth. They'll pry Photoshop 7 and Illustrator 10 from my cold, dead hands. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (StephenBeDoper) Comments Faster http://osnews.com/thread?367060 http://osnews.com/thread?367060 Nice, new hardware just to make Flash sucks faster... Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dbolgheroni) Comments RE: Too damn proprietary! http://osnews.com/thread?367109 http://osnews.com/thread?367109
The catch? You need a Broadcom Media Accelerator, or an NVIDIA graphics chip.

And Windows...


The great irony of the whole thing; Silverlight is hardware accelerated and it won't be too long before Moonlight is.

I have nothing against Flash, what I do have against Flash is the fact that they're closed source and refuse to work together with opensource projects (or establishing their own opensource project) as to create an opensourced version of flash that is fully compatible in every facet with the proprietary version. Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments you need... OR a Tegra processor http://osnews.com/thread?367266 http://osnews.com/thread?367266 From TFA: "Adobe will be working directly with Nvidia on optimising Flash for all of Nvidia's graphics processors, including the Tegra system-on-a-chip that the graphics-chip company is pushing as a rival to Atom in the netbook and mobile internet device (MID) markets."

How did this get left out of the article posting? This is awesome news!! It means that Adobe is optimizing Flash for ARM!Edited 2009-06-06 12:44 UTC Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Moochman) Comments