OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/21675/Gartner_Impressed_by_Android_on_ARM_Android_Ported_to_MIPS Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:23:26 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Pixel Qi Touchscreen + detachable Keyboard please http://osnews.com/thread?368671 http://osnews.com/thread?368671 Those are the three things a real netBOOK needs.

But so far nobody has a ticket for the clue train.

Pixel Qi says they don't plan touchscreens

Netbook makers don't plan touchscreens ( only that french dude )

_I_ want a netbook that I can use all day in the sun without worrying about the battery. Arm and Pixel Qi have the tech for that. We just needs enlightened OEMs, but I don't think the Asians get what people want. Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kragil) Comments RE: Pixel Qi Touchscreen + detachable Keyboard please http://osnews.com/thread?368676 http://osnews.com/thread?368676 I think the Asians probably think netbooks are about price, but it really isn't. It's about form(factor) and function. I wouldn't mind paying more.

And touchscreen is possible one of those things I want.Edited 2009-06-15 23:22 UTC Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lennie) Comments not a fair comparison http://osnews.com/thread?368677 http://osnews.com/thread?368677 copairing android to Win 7 isn't really fair. If you want to make a comparison Android should be compaired to WinCE 6.5. And if you compair a desktop like version of android to a desktop like version of WinCE (in a desktop shell optemized for that purpose, NOT the WinMobile incarnation) then its a fair comparison. When I was testing Android for that purpose a few months ago agianst WinCE 6.1 I found WinCE considerable snappier. Android has made a few more releases since then so I sould go back and redo my tests now against WinCE 6.5 and the newest version of Android.

I will agree though, android did seem faster than windows 7 on Atom processors. But Windows 7 has a lot more going on than android does, it's not a good comparison.

Of note, QNX 6.4.0 and 6.4.1 also seemed snappier than Android on the same hardware. Infact QNX was even snappier than WinCE, though it was pretty close over all.

:Edit: on a bit of a tangent, if you want to see a really great piece of equiptment that is in the same leages as where android is shooting then take a look at this, it's so awsome http://www.mintpass.com/product/p_mp100_conc.asp

:Edit 2: tests were're done on a new Beagle Board: http://beagleboard.org/Edited 2009-06-15 23:25 UTC Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (poundsmack) Comments RE[2]: Pixel Qi Touchscreen + detachable Keyboard please http://osnews.com/thread?368679 http://osnews.com/thread?368679 majority of netbook are similar... Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (collinm) Comments Android http://osnews.com/thread?368681 http://osnews.com/thread?368681 I'm actually playing with Android SDK right now... I have had to ditch my 15 years of C++ and finally bow down to learning Java, and it has not been THAT bad a transition at all.
Why do this?... because I believe the market place is better for smaller devices then desktops now days..
I can get Android up and going on my desktop for FREE, while to do iPhone development I am forced to go and buy an Apple Mac... Thats a huge PLUS for alot of people especially in todays economic climate.
I think Android has a very real future looking at all the phone and netbook makers who are getting in to it.. It will possibly be the biggest thorn in Microsofts side for along time. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (The Lone OSer) Comments How about... http://osnews.com/thread?368683 http://osnews.com/thread?368683 How about Android on phone? You know, its intended platform? Really don't care for Android on a netbook, laptop, pc, whatever. How about getting it on more phones and gettignmore developers involved and actually make the apps store relevant? I thought Android was supposed to be competition for the iphone? So far they are getting their asses kicked by a large margin.

The only thing I'm getting so far is Android couldn't really compete in the smartphone market so lets port it to everything else. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (apoclypse) Comments RE: Android http://osnews.com/thread?368685 http://osnews.com/thread?368685 Once I get an Android phone, I'll probably take the Java plunge too. I like iPhone(and Cocoa in general) development, but I just can't do the single vendor lockin thing, and I won't get a Mac. Maybe if I could get OS X Legally one of my existing machines, I would do both, but the iPhone just isn't worth it. I currently have and E71, and looked into navtive Symbian development, but after one weekend I downloaded the Android SDK. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bsharitt) Comments OpenOffice on Android? http://osnews.com/thread?368687 http://osnews.com/thread?368687 What kind of software can we run with the Android OS? Do we have access to the same software that Linux can run? How about OpenOffice? Firefox? You know, something usefull for a Netbook.

You may not need a word processor or spreadsheet on a cell phone, but on a Netbook, those a quite usefull on the road.Edited 2009-06-16 01:34 UTC Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (truckweb) Comments RE: Pixel Qi Touchscreen + detachable Keyboard please http://osnews.com/thread?368692 http://osnews.com/thread?368692 Perhaps this is what you're looking for: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/home/index.htm

They still don't seem to have a solid ship date, but it looks like a neat device. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Mike Pavone) Comments Comment by deathshadow http://osnews.com/thread?368693 http://osnews.com/thread?368693 FELT is very subjective - I bet I could reverse that 'feeling' in a matter of seconds by turning off 90% of the goofy fade-in and slide-in effects. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (deathshadow) Comments RE: Comment by deathshadow http://osnews.com/thread?368700 http://osnews.com/thread?368700
FELT is very subjective - I bet I could reverse that 'feeling' in a matter of seconds by turning off 90% of the goofy fade-in and slide-in effects.


Agreed - and many times when I hear people say, "oh, this is slower', it has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with the end user assuming that the 'fade in' and 'fade out' as equalling slow (which explains the 'fade in' and 'fade out').

I've run Windows 7 on this netbook and compared it to Fedora 11, and the 'speed' is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things. I find that Windows 7 is slightly more snappy than Fedora 11 but Windows 7 uses a heck of a lot more memory on a clean installation (around 500mb). The slowness only really starts to show itself once you open many applications and the swap starts getting thrashed.

I do find it funny they compared Android; an incredibly limited operating system to Windows 7 which is a general purpose operating system that has none of the limitations of Android. I'm definately going to upgrade to Snow Leopard for my two Mac's but I'm still umming and arring over what I'll have on my netbook.Edited 2009-06-16 04:13 UTC Tue, 16 Jun 2009 04:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments ARM netbook to run Windows apps http://osnews.com/thread?368704 http://osnews.com/thread?368704 It's also possible for ARM based netbook to run Windows apps if it comes with rdesktop client and Thin Client Server such as ThinServer

http://www.rdesktop.org
http://www.aikotech.com/thinserver.htm Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Different) Comments RE: Pixel Qi Touchscreen + detachable Keyboard please http://osnews.com/thread?368711 http://osnews.com/thread?368711

Netbook makers don't plan touchscreens ( only that french dude )


Asus already has launched the Eee T91. Out this week in the US.

MSI has a touchscreen Wind coming out, if it's not out already.

Intel has the touchscreen Classmate Convertible..

Acer is coming out with one this year too.

All Atom based netbooks, but there's been reports of Arm based netbooks coming out too. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kirihito) Comments ARM is not a new target for Android. http://osnews.com/thread?368717 http://osnews.com/thread?368717 MIPS - yes new. ARM.. um.. what do you think it was running on in the first place? ARM phone/MID to ARM "netbook" is a *very* small hop. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (memson) Comments RE: ARM is not a new target for Android. http://osnews.com/thread?368722 http://osnews.com/thread?368722
MIPS - yes new. ARM.. um.. what do you think it was running on in the first place? ARM phone/MID to ARM "netbook" is a *very* small hop.


Where do I state that it is? Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments RE: not a fair comparison http://osnews.com/thread?368735 http://osnews.com/thread?368735 "If you want to make a comparison Android should be compaired (sic) to WinCE 6.5."

Don't be silly. Microsoft won't sell WinCE on ARM as a netbook operating system - they're pushing Win 7 on Atom. WinCE is a niche player in the cell phone market, nothing more.

The question is whether a $100 ARM smartbook running Android is snappier than a $500 Atom netbook running Win 7. The answer is, "Yes!". Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ricegf) Comments RE[2]: not a fair comparison http://osnews.com/thread?368736 http://osnews.com/thread?368736
Don't be silly. Microsoft won't sell WinCE on ARM as a netbook operating system - they're pushing Win 7 on Atom. WinCE is a niche player in the cell phone market, nothing more.


Well, NVIDIA did use WinCE on its Tegra netbooks during Computex, including an NVIDIA-built interface, so I wouldn't be so sure of that. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments Wat did he mean... http://osnews.com/thread?368745 http://osnews.com/thread?368745 What did he mean by "When Android did work..."?

Will the Netbook port be officially supported by Google? In the Android developer forums, it seems like Google did not want to support more than one developer phone because of resource and cost issues. Would be interesting to findout how much the Marketplace will support it. otherwise it would be just another Linux netbook with a modified JVM on it. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dindin) Comments RE[3]: not a fair comparison http://osnews.com/thread?368749 http://osnews.com/thread?368749 I checked several announcements (including Engadget) and saw no indication that Microsoft is *pushing* WinCE for smartbooks - indeed, they seem to want to kill the entire "low cost portable" market so they can get back to the high-end laptop market they dominate so profitably.

But thanks (honestly) for pointing out the lone WinCE smartbook. I had missed the announcement amongst the flood of Android announcements, and wasn't even aware anyone had even tried. If smartbooks take off as much as so many expect, I would guess Microsoft will *want* to push WinCE, just as they backtracked on killing XP when Linux netbooks exploded and Vista proved unsuitable.

We live in interesting times. Thanks for making them more interesting for me. :-) Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ricegf) Comments RE[2]: Pixel Qi Touchscreen + detachable Keyboard please http://osnews.com/thread?368762 http://osnews.com/thread?368762 netbooks are of course about the prize too... (specially in 3rd world countries, or even non-rich families in the 1st world countries too. Sometimes as secondary/girlfriend/kid machine... you get it.) The question really is, does the public who REALLY want's it for the form factor really matter in the economics point of view?

The manufacturers think they don't right now... TechCrunch (or any other similar product) netbook/webtablet may change the manufacturer's point of view, like the original EeePC changed their minds about the demand of netbooks. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JrezIN) Comments RE[4]: not a fair comparison http://osnews.com/thread?368763 http://osnews.com/thread?368763 MS, at current, has no real plans to push WinCE on netbooks. However, there are a few OEM's that will be doing so. For now they will remain nameless, but you can be sure I will post something when it happens. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (poundsmack) Comments RE: not a fair comparison http://osnews.com/thread?368985 http://osnews.com/thread?368985 personally I hope android adopts a file system like this (or this file system, it rocks so hard) http://www.datalight.com/companyinfo/news.php?newsid=69&newscat... Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (poundsmack) Comments RE: Pixel Qi Touchscreen + detachable Keyboard please http://osnews.com/thread?369225 http://osnews.com/thread?369225 I agree too, whats the point in using it outside if you cant see the freaking screen. so you say they already have these out now? I seen an article dated in jan where LG made a sunlight readable lcd. Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sgtarky) Comments