OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/21720/Top_500_List_Dominated_by_x86_Linux Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:46:42 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Linux charts & Comment http://osnews.com/thread?370205 http://osnews.com/thread?370205 OS family 06/97
http://www.top500.org/charts/list/9/osfam
06/09
http://www.top500.org/charts/list/33/osfam


Comments: Why didn't you just steal the charts ;) ?
And I still hate the EM64T name. The thing should be called AMD64, because AMD made it. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kragil) Comments RE: Linux charts & Comment http://osnews.com/thread?370207 http://osnews.com/thread?370207 Well, because they don't have any data labels. I don't like pie charts without data labels. On top of that, making charts and tables is fun.

I mean that ;) .Edited 2009-06-25 11:38 UTC Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments Comment by flanque http://osnews.com/thread?370217 http://osnews.com/thread?370217 Right, so finally we know where to go to get the full and proper Crysis experience! Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (flanque) Comments RE: Comment by flanque http://osnews.com/thread?370219 http://osnews.com/thread?370219
Right, so finally we know where to go to get the full and proper Crysis experience!


Well, no.

A supercomputer isn't a computer - it's a large number of individual computers cooperating as a cluster. With this in mind you could probably get a collection of 20 billion Commodore 64's and connect them all together, and be in the top 500 list without actually being able to run any modern software... ;-)

-Brendan Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Brendan) Comments Thank Linux Intel http://osnews.com/thread?370220 http://osnews.com/thread?370220 I don't know, because it was pretty obvious over ten years ago that all the proprietary Unix vendors with hardware to protect would do absolutely anything to ensure their Unix operating systems would not run on any x86 system. The Unix they all feared ended up being Linux, all the big Unix and hardware vendors went into denial apart from IBM, and it is interesting to see how many of those companies producing hardware on that list in 1997 have now either gone bust or are in serious trouble. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (segedunum) Comments Pi http://osnews.com/thread?370225 http://osnews.com/thread?370225 And still none of them can calculate pi to a repeating digit. ;) Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (systyrant) Comments RE[2]: Linux charts & Comment http://osnews.com/thread?370229 http://osnews.com/thread?370229 In that case I'd appreciate it if the labels could be made correctly (x86_64 != x68_64). Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (acase) Comments RE: Linux charts & Comment http://osnews.com/thread?370230 http://osnews.com/thread?370230 AMD64 (or x86-64) and EM64T are not the same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Differences_between_AMD64_and_I... Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Narishma) Comments RE[2]: Comment by flanque http://osnews.com/thread?370267 http://osnews.com/thread?370267 Well, no.

They didn't make 20 billion Commodore 64's. ;) Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE[2]: Comment by flanque http://osnews.com/thread?370272 http://osnews.com/thread?370272 Well, yes.

It was a joke. Get a sense of humor.Edited 2009-06-25 17:01 UTC Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rockwell) Comments RE: Thank Linux Intel http://osnews.com/thread?370273 http://osnews.com/thread?370273 Some saw the signs (SGI) and converted their hardware to Linux. The Altix machines are good vertical number crunchers.
it's a pity they still seem to be in trouble.

On the other hand, currently you can get a 4 core, 24 GB RAM machine for €2000,-, and lots of calculations actually can be handled by these machines.
If I scale this money to a 16 core, 96 GB RAM SGI Altix, then the Altix should cost no more than €8000,-
Unfortunately with that machine configuration you get nowhere near that price.

I hope Microsoft programming continues to demand higher and higher power machines, so that consumers continue to demand stronger and stronger machines, so that those machines reach the consumer sector and give me the opportunity to run Linux on those then cheap machines and do number-crunching on it. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gustl) Comments Too bad about the diversity http://osnews.com/thread?370301 http://osnews.com/thread?370301 I like the diversity. I have worked on Sparc, Power, MIPS, Alpha, Itanium and Cray machines (all having some form of Unix) and it was quite fun to have all the little and big differences, different development tools, design decisions etc. Now most systems are basic Linux, which makes things easier but also more boring. Back to diversity! Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (henno) Comments RE[3]: Comment by flanque http://osnews.com/thread?370303 http://osnews.com/thread?370303 I think he was joking too. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tuishimi) Comments RE: Pi http://osnews.com/thread?370304 http://osnews.com/thread?370304 I bet with the right modifications to the FP chip you could. ;) Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tuishimi) Comments RE[2]: Linux charts & Comment http://osnews.com/thread?370308 http://osnews.com/thread?370308 I'm on 64-bit Red Hat 4; I can't easily install flash, which those charts use. I'm glad he didn't steal them. ;) Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (boldingd) Comments RE[2]: Linux charts & Comment http://osnews.com/thread?370318 http://osnews.com/thread?370318 those are differences in implementation, not design. Intel was forced to base EM64T off AMD64 due to pressure from MS. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BluenoseJake) Comments RE[4]: Comment by flanque http://osnews.com/thread?370323 http://osnews.com/thread?370323 :DEdited 2009-06-25 21:15 UTC Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (daedliusswartz) Comments RE[5]: Comment by flanque http://osnews.com/thread?370326 http://osnews.com/thread?370326 You shouldn't joke about having 20 billion C64's. Its just cruel. My mind goes wild with delirious dreams of writing parallel programs on the array in Basic with chocked full of enough peeks and pokes to make perl look as readable as Dick & Jane.

One Day.... How well is C64 supported by virtual machines? anyone know? Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE: Linux charts & Comment http://osnews.com/thread?370327 http://osnews.com/thread?370327
And I still hate the EM64T name. The thing should be called AMD64, because AMD made it.


Actually, the chart *does* call it AMD64 - at least, when talking about AMD. The EM64T label is only used for Intel hardware... Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Delgarde) Comments RE: Pi http://osnews.com/thread?370345 http://osnews.com/thread?370345 Pi is an irrational transcendental number and, as so, doesn't has a repeating sequence. If you find one you must keep calm and revise your calculation.

Anyway, I guess you know it.Edited 2009-06-25 22:43 UTC Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (acobar) Comments RE: Too bad about the diversity http://osnews.com/thread?370347 http://osnews.com/thread?370347 Lucky for you not all Linux distributions are the same.

It's however good to have most of the use the same gnu utils, so atleast when we have a shell script call tar it always uses the same options. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lennie) Comments RE[3]: Linux charts & Comment http://osnews.com/thread?370353 http://osnews.com/thread?370353
I'm on 64-bit Red Hat 4; I can't easily install flash, which those charts use. I'm glad he didn't steal them. ;)


You should however be able to install gnash. Gnash is now up to its 4th beta release:

http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/

Gnash is being actively developed at the moment. Therefore, although many features work, not all movies play successfully. The fourth beta release of Gnash has was made at version 0.8.5 on March 3, 2009.


As it says, not everything works, but having said that, a lot of flash that is on the web does in fact work.

Gnash 0.8.5 has fixed quite a bit of the problem of integration with browsers, so it not only plays flash now, it can nearly always download it too. Thats a bonus. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments And in in 2019... http://osnews.com/thread?370392 http://osnews.com/thread?370392 ... a sizeable chunk of the top 5oo supercomputers will be run on cellphone chips! Think ARM... Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DonMartin65) Comments Comment by kaiwai http://osnews.com/thread?370401 http://osnews.com/thread?370401 Very custom hardware with a Linux kernel moulded to fulfil a given task - I don't want to start an anti-Linux thread but I do think that people need to realise that it doesn't say anything about Linux other than the ability to have access to source code and being able to make incredible optimisations and tweaking because of it.

Linux was in the right place at the right time; there are many other open source operating systems that, had it gained the momentum that Linux did in the early days - would be just as likely to have jumped into the top 500. A lot of what we see today is thanks not just to GNU/Linux and the talent behind it but also a reasonable amount of good luck. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE: Comment by kaiwai http://osnews.com/thread?370437 http://osnews.com/thread?370437 It's not anti-linux to note what is in fact the result of both its versatility and fortunate timing. I hope to see more processor and OS diversity on this list in ten years. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jonathane) Comments RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai http://osnews.com/thread?370443 http://osnews.com/thread?370443
It's not anti-linux to note what is in fact the result of both its versatility and fortunate timing. I hope to see more processor and OS diversity on this list in ten years.


Unfortunately on this website there is a habit by individuals to mark down anything that doesn't mark Linux as the pinnacle of perfection - if there are problems, its always the end users fault rather than flaws in the system itself (as seen with the review of Linux on my Acer Aspire One a few months ago). Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE[6]: Comment by flanque http://osnews.com/thread?370664 http://osnews.com/thread?370664
chocked full of enough peeks and pokes to make perl look as readable as Dick & Jane.

Do schools still use Sally, Dick, and Jane? I suppose they now have smart phones and iPods. And Spot probably has a GPS transponder implant. What was the cat's name? I can't remember.Edited 2009-06-28 17:53 UTC Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sbergman27) Comments RE[2]: Pi http://osnews.com/thread?370673 http://osnews.com/thread?370673 Yes. It was merely a joke. ;) Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (systyrant) Comments