OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/21913/Apple_Jailbreaking_Could_Crash_Transmission_Towers Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sun, 19 May 2013 15:10:24 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Apple Just Irks Me! http://www.osnews.com/thread?375991 http://www.osnews.com/thread?375991 Even if I liked OS X and didn't think it was a usability nightmare, and even if I thought Apple hardware was really sooo sexy and not more prone to issues, and even if I had a wallet deep enough to ignore the ridiculous price tags, I would still not buy Apple because I just CAN'T stand Apple culture. From the ridiculous marketing hype around the release of every new product, to the ridiculous "Apple knows best" mentality we see in examples like this, the App Store, or the Psytar case, to the ridiculous fanboys they seem to attract who accept and even DEFEND every ridiculous decision made by Cupertino, its just miserable! No. Thank. You. I'd go back to using Windows before I lived in that world. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (red_devel) Comments Any Reason other than That? http://www.osnews.com/thread?375996 http://www.osnews.com/thread?375996 Technical considerations aside, the EFF has argued that Apple's lock on the iPhone is unmerited from a copyright protection perspective and aims to "suppress competition from independent iPhone application vendors."

For a product possessing less than 5%, do they have to relate every argue with monopoly? I don't see any reason, for which people have to be locked on iPhone, similar to why people had to be locked on Office or IE. Actually if Apple want to make its phone product close AND attractive, they do need to make it much better than other vendors' by their own. Don't see any hurt to competition. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (middleware) Comments RE: Apple Just Irks Me! http://www.osnews.com/thread?375998 http://www.osnews.com/thread?375998 Anti-Apple culture is just as bad... Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jason_ff) Comments Comment by jason_ff http://www.osnews.com/thread?376001 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376001 Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft all go out of their way to lock down their gaming consoles. Why? Because they make their money from selling games. This isn't all that different from Apple making money from selling apps for their devices (No, Apple's devices are not sold at a loss like the game consoles usually are for a while, and no there haven't always been an App Store).

But Apple, like the console makers, has a vested interest in selling "Official Add-ons" for their device. Is it any wonder they want to protect this?

Having said that, my opinion is: secure your device, but don't go too far out of your way to do so. Jailbreakers will *always* find a way in, but you've at least got to put up a fight (I'm looking at you, Dreamcast...). Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jason_ff) Comments oh joy http://www.osnews.com/thread?376002 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376002 I eagerly wait the day you all be buying computers with preinstalled and locked-down software, not allowed to install other OSes, apps only available from one vendor, and you'll be paying a monthly fee for the whole pack of sh*t. And the best of all: you all will be happy with it and crowds of people will come up with hearty points about how all of it is so marvellous.

In the end, we all get what we deserve, either by actively seeking, or by not doing anything against.

Oh, I still fail to see how jailbraking is in any relation to copyright. This is stupid. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (l3v1) Comments Apple must not want me for a customer http://www.osnews.com/thread?376004 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376004 Keep up the work Apple. At this rate I will *never* buy your products and encourage all my friends and family to avoid you. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pcunite) Comments RE: Apple Just Irks Me! http://www.osnews.com/thread?376006 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376006 That's why you just ignore it. Windows marketing isn't any better.

As always with anything you buy:

1) determine your needs
2) evaluate capabilities of all solutions
3) choose solution that offers the best value while still meeting your needs.



Effective advertising *can* help step 2, but not usually its just buried in the website somewhere.

Oh, and never seek help in a forum. The signal to noise ratio is just too high. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE: oh joy http://www.osnews.com/thread?376008 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376008 Its only a copyright issue because big business decided to side step fair use by locking down the hardware in the name of copyright. The DMCA restricts jail breaking, research into jail breaking, hell even discussing it(so much for freedom of speech). The exemption would remove DMCA restrictions into this activity, which is something Apple will absolutely fight. And lie about to get their way. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TechGeek) Comments RE: Apple Just Irks Me! http://www.osnews.com/thread?376009 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376009
Even if I liked OS X and didn't think it was a usability nightmare, and even if I thought Apple hardware was really sooo sexy and not more prone to issues, and even if I had a wallet deep enough to ignore the ridiculous price tags, I would still not buy Apple because I just CAN'T stand Apple culture. From the ridiculous marketing hype around the release of every new product, to the ridiculous "Apple knows best" mentality we see in examples like this, the App Store, or the Psytar case, to the ridiculous fanboys they seem to attract who accept and even DEFEND every ridiculous decision made by Cupertino, its just miserable! No. Thank. You. I'd go back to using Windows before I lived in that world.


Didn't think it was a usability nightmare? Let me guess, you think Linux is the crown of Usability? Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE: Any Reason other than That? http://www.osnews.com/thread?376010 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376010
Technical considerations aside, the EFF has argued that Apple's lock on the iPhone is unmerited from a copyright protection perspective and aims to "suppress competition from independent iPhone application vendors."

For a product possessing less than 5%, do they have to relate every argue with monopoly? I don't see any reason, for which people have to be locked on iPhone, similar to why people had to be locked on Office or IE. Actually if Apple want to make its phone product close AND attractive, they do need to make it much better than other vendors' by their own. Don't see any hurt to competition.


EFF would stop making that broad stroke if Linux were the prevailing market leader. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments I smiled... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376012 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376012 "  ...
   Piracy of developers' applications
   ...
   Developer relationships
   The Apple/iPhone brand
   Limitation on ability to innovate " Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sAmIlE) Comments RE[2]: Any Reason other than That? http://www.osnews.com/thread?376014 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376014
EFF would stop making that broad stroke if Linux were the prevailing market leader.


Why do you keep bringing Linux into this discussion? I've not seen one mention of Linux outside of your comments. I do have to hand it to you though, there's no faster way to send a discussion spiraling off topic around here than to pull Linux into it somehow. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments Negative Apple Image http://www.osnews.com/thread?376015 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376015 For a while there, I was actually starting to think that Apple was the subject of a smear campaign...but when they start releasing BS like this, I realize they are indeed as bad as it sounds ;)

I'm sort of glad I've always been a "cheap bastard" and avoided modern Apple products. Kinda sad since I grew up on the Apple II and Macs in the late-80's and mid-90's. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (umccullough) Comments RE: oh joy http://www.osnews.com/thread?376016 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376016 Something make you avoid to be locked on a closed platform. First, help improve an alternative open platform. Second, insist on use product possessing good interoperability. Third, only do entertainment once the second is broken.

Only when a platform start developing its own proprietary file format, or protocol, or other things prevent future interoperability, you are going to be really locked on and at that point you need to consider throw away that platform. As long as the interoperability remains, refusing to use a platform only because it is close is unreasonable and far less efficient. Not mention Apple's product is not that closed.

By that criteria, I don't see Apple really locks on anyone like how MS once locked on people by .doc (with the inferior implementation of Office on Mac (and today's 2008 is far less inferior, almost equal) and lack at all on other OSes) and IE (with the help of IE-specific HTML web site) for now.

So you are free to choose Apple or not. For me, I will not because I am willing to be locked on, but because Apple's product is currently the best and I am able to turn to other platform far before I would be unable. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (middleware) Comments I'm torn... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376017 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376017 On one hand I feel the need to support Apple, as they are one of the few mainstream companies that are actively working on accessibility to their products including the iPhone. Sure, they're doing it for business reasons, but they are, after all, a business. As one who is a member of a minority which needs these accessibility features, I must support those who in turn support the accessibility I need... and right now, that's Apple being the only company that is promoting accessibility out of the box and at no extra cost to me, the user. Consequently, I really do want an iPhone seeing as what they've done with that recently... but then I think about it and they're pulling ridiculous stunts like this, and I'm not so sure I should support them at all. What they're doing for accessibility is great and actually quite innovative in their approach, but the other things they're doing--particularly with the iPhone--just make me want to turn away in disgust. I no more want Apple controlling my devices than I'd want Microsoft to gain that power. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments RE[2]: Apple Just Irks Me! http://www.osnews.com/thread?376018 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376018 Let's me guess, you think OS X usability is the best available, fit everyone, everything and everywhere?

One nightmare doesn't void other one(s). Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (phoudoin) Comments Think of the children!!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?376020 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376020
Exposing children to age-inappropriate content


Gotta hand it to Apple, that is just about the most painfully-stupid, intellectually lazy justification I've heard for anything in a long time.

Here are a few more equally-valid reasons that Apple could use:

- unlocked iPhones promote terrorism
- unlocked iPhones are a gateway drug that lead to crack and heroin use
- if Hitler, Stalin, or Mussolini were were alive today, they would use an unlocked iPhone
- unlocked iPhones could be used to control a device that dumps adorable babies, puppies, AND kittens into a wood chipper
- unlocked iPhones could be used to force an entire kindergarten class to watch 2girls1cup
- unlocked iPhones will lead to little old ladies being pushed into empty elevator shafts
- unlocked iPhones are tools of Satan and lead to people becoming godless atheists and believing in the theory of evolution (that should get the fundie nutters onboard)
- unlocked iPhones could allow *gasp* proprietary software, or -even worse- help further Microsoft's many vast, evil, shadowy conspiracies (and that one is guaranteed to get all the GNU/Freetards onboard)

Anything I left out? Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BallmerKnowsBest) Comments RE: Comment by jason_ff - open the distribution channel http://www.osnews.com/thread?376022 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376022 Apple limiting the distribution channel for iPhone apps would be fine if they didn't limit what apps get to be included so much and so arbitrarily. Third party software repositories also wouldn't be in such high demand. Publish clear minimum software qualifications and get on with it rather stomping on the consumer's choice of what to install on there possessions. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jabbotts) Comments RE: Think of the children!!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?376023 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376023 [q]
Exposing children to age-inappropriate content Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments RE[2]: Apple Just Irks Me! http://www.osnews.com/thread?376024 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376024 Man I wish I was allowed to mod you down off topic! What the heck does Linux have to do with anything in this story or my post??

Edit: typoEdited 2009-07-29 19:00 UTC Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (red_devel) Comments RE: Apple Just Irks Me! http://www.osnews.com/thread?376028 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376028 Ah! Apple! What do I think of Apple?

MacOS is OK. The Unix core is nice, if a bit dated in places compared to other POSIX OSes. The slick desktop is nice, but really not my cup of tea. And its proprietary nature is somewhat of a downer. All in all, I would give their OS an unenthusiastic thumbs up.

The company itself is becoming more annoying with every passing day. Big thumbs down there.

The community surrounding Apple is varied, as is any community. There are a lot of Apple users, mostly developers, for whom I have a lot of respect. But the general run of Apple fans seem to be more annoying than the company itself. So I'd have to give the Apple community in general a big thumbs down.

But then, as a Linux guy, I come to the philosophy of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". And based upon that, I guess I almost have to give the Apple world as a whole a rather uncertain thumbs up.

Why does life have to be so complicated? Perhaps I should become a Sandwich Maker.Edited 2009-07-29 19:20 UTC Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sbergman27) Comments Dude... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376029 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376029 It is times like this that I am ashamed of having ever purchased Apple products... =( Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lazarus) Comments Kind of sad http://www.osnews.com/thread?376033 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376033 It's probably just me, but 10 years ago I kind of admired Apple. They did their thing, they put hardware out there, they managed to shed the manacles of OS9 and produce OS X etc.. and their hardware was kind of.. good, along with their software.. it was well thought through. That, and the fact that it was a solid anternative to MS products..

However, then I rarely reacted to things like this. Perhaps I didnt' care, or maybe the process wasn't half-way as transparent as this, but looking back over the last 1-3 years..

Wow, Apple behaves like a real f--ktard, and I will never buy any of their products unless they change this so-called stance of theirs. ;)

wow, it appears osnews has a word filter.
lucktard, tucktard, f--ktard, ducktard...

and the best part is that the edit, or preview parts of this site won't even tell you it'll do it..

Anyway, going on. Apple was the underdog. They fought the good fight. But now? They're trying to shut people out of their services.. they're trying to keep people from creating their own hardware, to run their OS on.. they're trying to prevent people from running the applications that their OWN consumers wants to run on their phones.. the list is long, and.. it puts a huge dent in the so-called "crown" apple used to wear. Note that apple no longer wears a capital A.Edited 2009-07-29 20:20 UTC Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (reflect) Comments Why is this such a big deal??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?376036 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376036 Am I the only one who is happy with their iPhone? It works great, I've got some good apps in use on it. I know there are limitations, but I purchased it anyway.

If people are buying the phone BEFORE researching what it can do and then complaining... their fault. If they are buying it and wanting to change it, then go for it. Just don't expect the exact same support and features as if you were "playing the game" properly.

This happens ALL THE TIME. Microsoft did this with Xbox users who had "jailbroken" their Xbox with new chips or hacks. They are permanently banned from connecting to Xbox Live... and the backlash we got from that was...... um..... lemme see here.......

The company has every right to do this. The consumer has the choice to buy or not, and if they do to either live it the shortcomings or hack away knowing you're going to miss out on somethings!! Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nathbeadle) Comments RE: Why is this such a big deal??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?376037 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376037 Sorry, this isn't about what the iphone can or can't do. It's about the business practice of Apple Inc.

Your entire post is about people not researching enough. What about those who're tired of getting *screwed* over and over, about not being able to do as they want, with the hardware they bought? Like apple not approving their google voip application, for instance? Over the past 12-18 months there's been TOO many of these instances to keep apple's reputation over the water. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (reflect) Comments RE[2]: Comment by jason_ff - open the distribution chan http://www.osnews.com/thread?376039 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376039 It's much easier to get an app into the App Store than it is to get a Game onto a console. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jason_ff) Comments RE[2]: Why is this such a big deal??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?376040 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376040 I second that. I think there shouldn't be a law that makes it illegal to modify a device you paid for period. Would it be okay if GM or Honda said you couldn't modify your cars engine the way you see fit in order to save money on gas or for more performance?

The implications of using the (dmca) or other laws to prevent people from doing what they want with their devices is ridiculous as well as the implications of it.

If someone like Macguyver jailbreaks their iPhone and breaks into the pentagon with it to set off a bomb....
don't blame the cause on a jailbroken iPhone hence justification for enacting the dmca. I see far too much of this sort of attribution error (I use the term loosely for those who study psychology or sociology). Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Syirrus) Comments RE[3]: Any Reason other than That? http://www.osnews.com/thread?376041 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376041
"EFF would stop making that broad stroke if Linux were the prevailing market leader.


Why do you keep bringing Linux into this discussion? I've not seen one mention of Linux outside of your comments. I do have to hand it to you though, there's no faster way to send a discussion spiraling off topic around here than to pull Linux into it somehow. "

He's just trolling .. don't feed him. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kurgan2001) Comments Before calling this fud... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376043 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376043 ...answer one simple question.

Could the things that they claim occur?

If the answer to this question is yes - regardless of the LIKELIHOOD of it occurring - then Apple have every right to use the points as arguments for their case. The likelihood of any or all of these things happening will be taken into consideration by the authority making the decision. If their claims are impossible then you can rightly call them fud. If, however, their claims could be substantiated it isn't them using fud for their own agenda... Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mrhasbean) Comments RE: Before calling this fud... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376045 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376045 Not many are calling this FUD.. (seriously, FUD is the practice of discouraging customers from competitors products, for the most part by spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt about it). Of course it *could* lead to the transmission tower going down. If you drive your car, or take a walk in the park, it *could* happen then too. Hell, it COULD happen by just using your phone, if you just happened to trigger some NASTY bugs in the firmware of that transmitter tower.

And no, just cause it *could* happen doesn't give apple the right to use it as arguments in their case. Sorry, but it has to be a reasonable chance for it to happen, and then you have to weight it against the consumers *right* to use their product they bought, against the damage it could potentially do. Once you've done that, you PLUG the hole that the potential damage can do and then.. voila, no problem what-so-ever.Edited 2009-07-29 21:48 UTC Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (reflect) Comments RE: Before calling this fud... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376048 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376048
Could the things that they claim occur? If the answer to this question is yes - regardless of the LIKELIHOOD of it occurring - then Apple have every right to use the points as arguments for their case.

I think you're a child molester.Edited 2009-07-29 22:06 UTC Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sbergman27) Comments Comment by frantisheq http://www.osnews.com/thread?376050 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376050 bravo! and Linux is just so Open that it will brake all wifi routers near me. i love Apple products but what happens around iPhone is just pure stupidity to me Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (frantisheq) Comments wow, just wow http://www.osnews.com/thread?376051 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376051 jail broken phone or not, if someone wants to screw with cell phone towers and take the phone to another carier bad enough they will. is the network more vulnerable. OMG making anonymous calls, oh my. give me a a break. why not take it up a notch apple, here i will give you an idea for your next headline (i am sure i will be sued later if they use this claming i coppied it from them), "warning! running OSX on non apple hardware could result in someone using the system to creat a large enough electro magnetic pulse to end the technological world as we know it!!!?" (paid for by the Apple vs. Pystar compaign) Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (poundsmack) Comments RE: Apple must not want me for a customer http://www.osnews.com/thread?376053 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376053
Keep up the work Apple. At this rate I will *never* buy your products and encourage all my friends and family to avoid you.


Oh, I bet the marketing team are quaking in their boots right now !-) Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Chicken Blood) Comments RE: Dude... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376061 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376061 Oh well, as long as you learn from your mistakes. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Parry Hotter) Comments RE[2]: oh joy http://www.osnews.com/thread?376062 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376062 Look publicly Apple says that Jailbreking is bad and are against it, but other than upgrading their OS have they ever activiley persued jailbreakers? Have they actively persued hackintosh makers other than those trying to make a business out of it? The only reason why I don't like jailbreaking is because there are some idiots out there who are actully pirating 99 cents apps. Why? Are you that damn cheap? And no don't give me the try before you buy bullishit because I know they are not going to buy it. If they are not going to buy they shouldn't be allowed to use it and should absolutely be counted as a lost customer because without the pirate version they would have no alternative but to buy. But luckily that is not the whole community, there are plenty of developers that just want unrestricted access and a jailbroken iphone is a perfect platform for that. Anyway my originsl point is regardless of what Apple says they rarely go after users who choose to jailbreak their phones. So is it relly an issue? I'm not defending their very silly claims but we have to look at past history here. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (apoclypse) Comments Someone should inform me... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376069 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376069 ... that here in Serbia we are all already dead since the whole country has collapsed because 60% ( probably) of all mobile phones (not just every iphone bought here) are unlocked illegally. ;) Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lukic) Comments RE[2]: Apple must not want me for a customer http://www.osnews.com/thread?376070 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376070 The sad thing is, Microsoft is the only alternative to Apple that the vast majority of people even knows anything about and, therefore, will turn to. And they're just about as bad; worse in some ways, but a little better in others. Linux has barely even gained a foothold, being limited to two or three of Dell's absolute bottom-of-the-line machines or system76, which no one's probably even heard of. You might see some random machines by other OEMs too, but I'm not aware of which ones off the top of my head.

In my experience, it's been nearly impossible to successfully convince someone to buy a Mac anyway, with "I don't like the way it looks/works" and "I want to just be able to walk in a store and pick one up." Occasionally, I hear "they cost too much" and/or "the screen is too small." If Macs are that hard to get someone to try (and like enough to use), then man... Linux is gonna have a hell of a time gaining traction.

I set a friend's Vista Basic laptop to dual-boot with Ubuntu, and he kind of liked it... but for some reason, seemingly randomly, the system would lock up on a black screen when trying to start X.org, requiring a hard reset. He wasn't too happy, and quite honestly, with the potential for data loss, that's seriously not good--so I even had to recommend he just continues Windows for the time being.

That was one, going on two, versions ago. Still hasn't asked to update... not sure if he will or not. Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (UltraZelda64) Comments RE[3]: Apple Just Irks Me! http://www.osnews.com/thread?376073 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376073 We should all be able to spot the pro-Apple loonies by now who steadfastly defend Apple's behaviour to the hilt come what may and believe that such behaviour will keep things locked up. Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (segedunum) Comments RE[2]: Any Reason other than That? http://www.osnews.com/thread?376074 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376074
EFF would stop making that broad stroke if Linux were the prevailing market leader.

Since Linux and the software that surrounds it is open source and de facto open anyway then creating a closed platform with it like Apple is going would be that much more difficult. I fail to see how you can compare apples to kiwi fruits, so to speak, in the EFF's reasoning.

I recommend a cold shower otherwise your head is going to explode. Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (segedunum) Comments RE[4]: Any Reason other than That? http://www.osnews.com/thread?376075 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376075 Yer, but it's always amusing to watch the resulting road accident. Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (segedunum) Comments RE: Someone should inform me... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376077 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376077 Possibly that's because you built a communications system. Here we are building a mashup of entertainment systems that must be protected because of all that super-geeky proprietary stuff (yawn). When the fog clears way, the capitalists have their money securely stashed away, and everyone realizes that the system was never designed to handle what's being thrown at it the capitalist will swear they can't afford the upgrade and the government will rebuild the thing at taxpayer expense. Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rerushg) Comments So... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376080 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376080 Apple making fanciful claims that have nothing to do with reality... I'm so shocked...

Keep it up Apple, show us what you are REALLY made of.

You guys realize the greatest irony of all this is the company was founded by two guys who got their start in electronics by phreaking, right?

That's who we need to FINALLY get to speak out against Apple and their asshat sleazeball proprietary practices - Where's the Woz when we need him?Edited 2009-07-30 00:40 UTC Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (deathshadow) Comments RE: Before calling this fud... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376103 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376103
Could the things that they claim occur?

If the answer to this question is yes - regardless of the LIKELIHOOD of it occurring


Okay, lets take the 'Inappropriate Content' line just as an example. Yes a jailbroken iPhone could all installation of apps which contain inappropriate content - so what? The iPhone includes a pornpipe^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H web browser and Internet connection. Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jhoo) Comments Really What's Their Point http://www.osnews.com/thread?376106 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376106 If jailbraking the iPhone would allow people to crash the transmitters, get free phone calls, send spam, molest minors what does it matter? What does this have to do with copyright? It is the Digital Millenium *Copyright* Act isn't it?

Or is it now the Digital Millenium Copyright, Telecomunications, Anti-Terrorism, Think of the Children and Anything Else we Choose to Think Up Act Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jhoo) Comments RE[2]: Apple Just Irks Me! http://www.osnews.com/thread?376108 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376108

1) determine your needs
2) evaluate capabilities of all solutions
3) choose solution that offers the best value while still meeting your needs.



Yeah, but you forget that when people go shopping they:

4) buy the coolest looking product in the store Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Brunis) Comments Somewhere in Cupertino... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376119 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376119 ...a bunch of engineers are furiously banging their heads against the closest cement wall, trying to dull the pain from the amazingly retarded stunt some PR folks and managers just pulled. Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Soulbender) Comments RE[2]: oh joy http://www.osnews.com/thread?376128 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376128
Something make you avoid to be locked on a closed platform. First, help improve an alternative open platform. Second, insist on use product possessing good interoperability.


If there are no such products (that you could choose to use instead of said locked-down ones), or the ones that are available are far inferior, than the choice in reality is not a choice. Unless you can manufacture your own hardware, that is (since open software is more easier to come by). A collegue of mine wants to by a touchscreen phone, went in to a local vodafone shop to try out what they have, and came out totally disappointed. Until a locked-down device provides higher usability and usefulness even in its locked-down state than the others, there'll be no incentive for the locker to release the lock, since it has tangible control over the crowd.

With a new, open, non-locked, whetever else platform, your first move needs to be to convince the average joe crowd (there is strength in numbers, we all should know that by now, you need momentum to achieve anything) to use your device, and the iPhone being where it is, this would be hard. Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (l3v1) Comments RE[2]: Apple Just Irks Me! http://www.osnews.com/thread?376136 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376136
Didn't think it was a usability nightmare? Let me guess, you think Linux is the crown of Usability?

I dunno... I've been using Linux since 1995... and right now I use it exclusively to get things done.

I've not got problems with Mice, Laptops, Wireless, Video, Encryption, Disk Utilization, Audio, DVDs, CDs, keyboards, work-flow, e-mail, "office applications", collaboration, groupware connectivity, using networked resources, Using multiple displays from a laptop (without using multiple video cards or outputs) Blue-tooth *just works*, my packaging system is great, I'm using the laptop to its fullest. Virtualization is very pleasant and works... I've got the ability to run a COMPLETE development environment on my machine, easily. I can remotely connect to dang near anything?

What is this "usability" issue you have? I think its centered on ... something you won't address.

Remember, Linux is VERY friendly. Its just picky about its friends. Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gfolkert) Comments RE: So... http://www.osnews.com/thread?376138 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376138
Where's the Woz when we need him?


Using his new-found abilities on Dancing with the Stars Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Piranha) Comments RE: Think of the children!!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?376146 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376146
Anything I left out?

Yes. You left out the most compelling reason imaginable:
"When you unlock iPhones, you're unlocking COMMUNISM". Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mightshade) Comments RE[3]: oh joy http://www.osnews.com/thread?376238 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376238
If there are no such products (that you could choose to use instead of said locked-down ones), or the ones that are available are far inferior, than the choice in reality is not a choice. Unless you can manufacture your own hardware, that is (since open software is more easier to come by). A collegue of mine wants to by a touchscreen phone, went in to a local vodafone shop to try out what they have, and came out totally disappointed.


In my opinion, Apple does not prevent any vendor to provide better alternative. It is just a fact that no one else has already provide a better one. So we can claim a vendor is locking people if it make any other vendor can't provide a better alternative by marketing or sales strategy in the future. But we can NOT claim so by just the fact that there is still not a second vendor appears.

Until a locked-down device provides higher usability and usefulness even in its locked-down state than the others, there'll be no incentive for the locker to release the lock, since it has tangible control over the crowd.


There are two kinds of lock, "lock-down" as how Office locks user and "lock-down" as how Apple seal iPhone. I think they are different. Office locks users by the "network effect", that is, as long as your friends use .doc, you will have to use Office regardless what quality and usefulness it provides. So if you say "a locked-down device provides higher usability and usefulness", you must not mean this kind of lock. Can't you call your friends having iPhones by another type of phone? So neither you and your friends locked by having or not having an iPhone.

Then for the "lock" as seal, why you think just the first vendor seal its product will hinder the second vendor provide better alternative? Actually a second vendor does not have to provide better alternative, it just need to provide close enough alternative then the first vendor will have incentive to improve its product. And that not kind of control over the crowd. People still have the choice. Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (middleware) Comments RE[3]: Comment by jason_ff - open the distribution chan http://www.osnews.com/thread?376436 http://www.osnews.com/thread?376436 The App Store feeds a much more functional device than a game console also. Even the Playstation doesn't gain the amount of functions the iPhone is designed to provide unless you dualboot the PS with Yellowdog or similar.

In this case, Apple is saying "the Jesus Phone for all your possible needs.. er.. unless we arbitrarily decide that you kids can't have that function." Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jabbotts) Comments