OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/22006/Apple_Tried_to_Block_Article_About_Steve_Jobs Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 21 May 2013 13:57:25 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com how is this page 1 material? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379118 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379118 i don't really get why this is page 1 new material, it's pretty much a gossip issue. Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mckill) Comments How is Apple in the know? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379120 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379120 What I don't get is how Apple got to know about this article before publication. Or their PR chit-chat happened after publication? Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments Comment by mith http://www.osnews.com/thread?379121 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379121 Of course this is a news piece for front page!

Notices that are actually about operative systems, like the Jolicould, Snow Leopard GM, or the Linux 3D GUI revolution don't deserve the same importance as gossip.

It's sad to see what OS News was and what is it turning into now. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mith) Comments RE: How is Apple in the know? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379123 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379123 Well, some news corporations notify to the stakeholders before publishing an article related to them, maybe this was the case.

And if Apple tried to block or not an article about Steve J. Why would I care, is like E! news, the least trash news to distract me the better.Edited 2009-08-18 00:08 UTC Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Hiev) Comments RE: how is this page 1 material? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379124 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379124 I do. It is one in a long line of articles showing that apple is no longer a company with a capital A - but instead a company that tries to suppress information and harass sites and people they think could harm their reputation.

As much as I love their older hardware (I have nothing newer than 5 years) and their OS, I'm glad someone is shining a light on how they operate - it's not OK to behave this way and I sincerely hope people will notice. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (reflect) Comments RE: How is Apple in the know? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379126 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379126 Probably because the author asked info from Apple for his article. Pretty standard procedure. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments RE[2]: how is this page 1 material? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379133 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379133
I do.


Obviously you don't. ;)

Repeat after me: if there is a READ MORE link in the article, it's Page 1. If there isn't, it's Page 2.

I know, crazy, super-duper difficult concept to grasp!! Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (phoenix) Comments RE[3]: how is this page 1 material? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379136 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379136
"I do.


Obviously you don't. ;)

Repeat after me: if there is a READ MORE link in the article, it's Page 1. If there isn't, it's Page 2.

I know, crazy, super-duper difficult concept to grasp!! "

There IS a read more link, and it IS a page one news item, hence my reply. I *DO* understand why this is page one news. Perhaps you didn't understand my post? Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (reflect) Comments WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379137 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379137 Along with OS News, I read several other operating specific news sites. I've noticed a disturbing trend with regard to the reporting of Apple-specific news on this site. If one were to just read this site, you would think that the company only produces negativity.

Now I know Thom isn't anti Apple. I know this for a FACT because he has repeatedly said it when people have questioned his behavior. With that said, the vast majority of the information reported about Apple on this site is negative. This isn't the case on any of the other sites i visit of which there are many. The trend is typically positive on the other sites. Knowing that Thom isn't Anti Apple (again because he has repeatedly said so) It makes me wonder why this site is so out of sync?

Knowing that Thom isn't anti Apple (because he's said so) My only conclusion is that all the other tech news sites are the ones that are out of sync.



Here is a list of several weeks worth of Apple specific headlines produced by this site:


Apple Tried to Block Article About Steve Jobs - negative

Apple Accuses Psystar of Destroying Evidence, Psystar Denies - negative

Apple's Snow Leopard Rumored To Be Golden Master - neutral

Mac OS X 10.5.8 Released - neutral

Apple Censors Dictionary iPhone App- negative

Apple Tried to Silence Exploding iPod Victim with Gagging Order - negative

Apple Keyboards Vulnerable to Firmware Hack - negative

Apple: Jailbreaking Could Crash Transmission Towers - negative

Apple Joins Forces with Record Labels, Building 'Tablet' - neutral

Apple Rejects Official Google Voice iPhone App - negative

Apple Withdraws Legal Threats Against iTunes Sync Wiki - negative/neutral

Apple Tries to Downplay iPod Fire Incidents - negative

Apple Reports Best Non-Holiday Quarter Results in Apple History - positive/neutral

Lost iPhone Prototype Pushes Foxconn Worker to Commit Suicide - negative

How Apple's App Review Is Undermining The iPhone - negative

'Apple Asked Microsoft To Take Down Laptop Hunter Ads' - negative

Apple Blocks Palm Pre from Accessing iTunes - negative/neutral

Apple Proposes HTTP Streaming Feature As Protocol Standard - neutral Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (haus) Comments RE: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379141 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379141 This was actually announced: http://www.osnews.com/story/21918/The_Camel_s_Back_Broke_1984_Days_... Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (raboof) Comments RE: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379142 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379142
Along with OS News, I read several other operating specific news sites. I've noticed a disturbing trend with regard to the reporting of Apple-specific news on this site. If one were to just read this site, you would think that the company only produces negativity.


This article well explain the websites position:

http://www.osnews.com/story/21918/The_Camel_s_Back_Broke_1984_Days_... Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE[2]: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379145 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379145 Ahhh I see.

Does this also explain the same style of negative Apple publishing **before** Apple upset David by restricting an app on their app store?

Also on that note... does OS News have any history of this sort of behavior for any other technology company or do they reserver disproportionate negative attention to just Apple?

I seem to recall that Microsoft (for example) making quite a few blunders far greater caliber than this pretty regularly. Why do they get a free pass?Edited 2009-08-18 01:20 UTC Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (haus) Comments RE: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379146 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379146
With that said, the vast majority of the information reported about Apple on this site is negative. This isn't the case on any of the other sites i visit of which there are many. The trend is typically positive on the other sites. Knowing that Thom isn't Anti Apple (again because he has repeatedly said so) It makes me wonder why this site is so out of sync?


What "other" sites you are referring to? Apple historically has gotten very good press because frankly there wasn't much on the surface to complain about, earnings have been great and they have been very good at PR.

In the last few months I think the situation has started to shift a bit, and it certainly isn't isolated to osnews. I see many of the same stories on other sites.

Regardless, I don't think of most of the stories you linked to as "negative" or "positive". They are simply news - most of which were not even written by osnews staff, only linked to. I'm sure there may be a few truly negative opinion pieces, but frankly so what - if you go back a bit further than 3 months you will find _loads_ of the opposite. If you ask me its about time...

Knowing that Thom isn't anti Apple (because he's said so) My only conclusion is that all the other tech news sites are the ones that are out of sync.


I would have to agree with your conclusion, since almost all of the tech news sites I visit are carrying much of the same Apple stuff as osnews. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (galvanash) Comments RE[2]: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379147 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379147 "In the last few months I think the situation has started to shift a bit, and it certainly isn't isolated to osnews. I see many of the same stories on other sites."

I do to, but they report the negative news relative to the negativity that comes out of the company in proportion to the positive news. No, that doesn't mean make the negative and positive coverage equal... it means make it proportionate to the amount of negative or positive news coming out of the company.



"Regardless, I don't think of most of the stories you linked to as "negative" or "positive". They are simply news"

I labeled those stories accordingly to avoid the comment you just made. The majority of the stories are in fact negative.



"They are simply news - most of which were not even written by osnews staff, only linked to."

The implication here is that OS News would link to the positive news if someone supplied it to them. I know they they don't do this as they don't link to the positive content... at least none that I ever submitted.



"I'm sure there may be a few truly negative opinion pieces, but frankly so what - if you go back a bit further than 3 months you will find _loads_ of the opposite."

As I mentioned, I've been following this site for a long time and rarely have I seen a positive piece about Apple here.



>>"My only conclusion is that all the other tech news sites are the ones that are out of sync."

"I would have to agree with your conclusion"

Interesting. Your comment says a lot about your motives.



Lest someone kill this thread for being off topic, please don't reply... otherwise your comment will warrant yet another reply... unless your goal is to get the thread killed which again, says a lot about your motives.Edited 2009-08-18 01:30 UTC Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (haus) Comments RE: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379154 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379154 So? Maybe is because they have done all those things? Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (benjaminperdomo) Comments RE: Comment by mith http://www.osnews.com/thread?379155 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379155 "Linux 3D GUI" WTF is that? Wobbly windows? That isn't news. The only competitor to MS acting like a spoiled child? That's news.

I want to know what companies are acting like asses, so I can avoid their products. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BluenoseJake) Comments RE[3]: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379158 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379158
Interesting. Your comment says a lot about your motives.


Motives? I was simply replying to your post honestly. I don't have any motives. In fact if you want to look at my comment history you'll probably find most of what I say about Apple to be positive, or at the least indifferent.

The difference between me and you is I'm not mad about osnews posting so called "negative" stories about Apple, I'm mad at Apple for doing so many dunder-headed things in the last few months that are news worthy. I honestly hope they get a grip on things and we can get back to seeing news about how awesome their latest product is...

Lest someone kill this thread for being off topic, please don't reply... otherwise your comment will warrant yet another reply... unless your goal is to get the thread killed which again, says a lot about your motives.


For the record, I don't know who modded your post down, but it wasn't me. If the thread gets killed oh well... Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (galvanash) Comments Very Original. http://www.osnews.com/thread?379162 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379162 http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/17/apple_attempted_to_si...

Also, the link on the statement "[Apple] has tried to keep information under wraps that a journalist tried to uncover via the Freedom of Information Act" does not seem to substantiate that claim at all, though I did see a completely unrelated article on the Times site that made a similar claim in a slightly more convincing manner (though it had nothing to do with Think Secret).

Please stick to OS News and quit wasting my time with this yellow journalism. If you still can't think of anything to write about, don't feel like you have to post something. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tim McIntosh) Comments RE[4]: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379165 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379165 "I was simply replying to your post honestly. I don't have any motives."

You say that and talk about your Apple positive posting history then assume that they need to change their behavior when in fact they as a company are doing nothing any more wrong than any other technology company.

It sounds to me like you actually advocate for the disproportionate coverage of negative news attention relative to Apple's negative behavior. THAT is what illustrates your motives. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (haus) Comments This is The Times people... http://www.osnews.com/thread?379171 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379171 ...not the New York Times. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tuishimi) Comments RE[2]: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379176 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379176 "So? Maybe is because they have done all those things?"

They may have, but they're positive newsworthy items far outweigh their negative ones.


Maybe we should only focus on the fact that you cheated on your test in high school and that you stole that candy bar, you broke your mother's favorite dishes and blamed your sister and you didn't replace the toilet paper role after using the last square.

Now that it has been reported... we can and should only assume that these are the things that define you.

Knowing this, it's obvious, you sir are a terrible person. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (haus) Comments RE[2]: Comment by mith http://www.osnews.com/thread?379180 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379180
"Linux 3D GUI" WTF is that? Wobbly windows? That isn't news. The only competitor to MS acting like a spoiled child? That's news.

I want to know what companies are acting like asses, so I can avoid their products.


So in other words you live under a tree - inside a cardboard box might be subjecting yourself to the multibillion dollar cardboard industry.If one avoided products from every company that did something stupid or filled with idiots - I don't think any one here would own a thing. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE[3]: Comment by mith http://www.osnews.com/thread?379198 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379198
""Linux 3D GUI" WTF is that? Wobbly windows? That isn't news. The only competitor to MS acting like a spoiled child? That's news.

I want to know what companies are acting like asses, so I can avoid their products.


So in other words you live under a tree - inside a cardboard box might be subjecting yourself to the multibillion dollar cardboard industry.If one avoided products from every company that did something stupid or filled with idiots - I don't think any one here would own a thing. "

No, I vote with my wallet. I shop at the local grocery store instead of the bigger chains. I don't buy Sony, and the way Apple is acting, I wouldn't buy from them either. If I have a choice, I buy stuff from places that more reflect how I think things should be done, or that help the local economy. I don't shop at Walmart either.

Perhaps you should come out from under the rock you've been living under, we all have the power to affect the ways companies do things, if we all made our purchases using more criteria than just the best price, companies like Apple, Sony and others might get the message. Sony certainly has been behaving better the last couple of years, since the rootkit scandal. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BluenoseJake) Comments RE[3]: Comment by mith http://www.osnews.com/thread?379199 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379199 A large part of Apple costumers buys there products because they have enough of Microsoft's shady business practices. They sometimes, quite literarlly see Apple as something resembling the 'light side'.
Therefore news that can break this illusion can be very welcome.
Not to mention, not too much here on OSNews, is fun to read the resulting comments from Apple-fanboys of such articles. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (righard) Comments RE: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379202 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379202 That's funny, most of the articles I read about North Korea in other news sources are negative also.

Maybe you should blame Apple for there bad news, instead of blame OSNews.
Name some of the good things this company with his holy mission to serve mankind might have done lately? Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (righard) Comments Comment by moleskine http://www.osnews.com/thread?379207 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379207 To me, Apply trying to block this article is not what is interesting about it. Apple try routinely to block or at least discourage a significant proportion of the material written about them. No news there.

What is interesting about the article is why the Sunday Times chose this particular writer. He's not a tech journo, let alone a geek one. He is a writer whose broad repertoire takes in culture and science, mainly (and he has written some very good books, too).

Whether intentionally or not, the article suggests that behind the veil of marketing and hype Apple is a sick company just as it's founder is a man with serious health problems (anyone with a transplanted organ has just exchanged one health problem for another one). Apple of course is in rude health financially, but psychologically, culturally the outfit appears far from well. It sounds a pretty hellish place to work and is beginning to drop out of the zeitgeist.

There is a mood around of "sunlight is the best disinfectant" and in IT sunlight means open standards, not a whole lot of messing with secret, proprietorial manoeuvres. These manoeuvres, let's not forget, go all the way down to trying to stamp on an ordinary user whose iGizmo battery went up in smoke, literally (an incident which is cited in the article).

So I'd suggest this is a worthwhile article, but not because Apple tried to kill it. The implication is that Apple looks great on the outside, but on the inside it is heading for a car crash. I've no idea whether the eventual outcome will be a deal with Google - no one possibly can know what the future may hold - but the article seems to me right in implying that the decline and end of the Steve Jobs era at Apple is going to be a very difficult time. That ghostly, decaying mansion at the start of the article is a very haunting image.Edited 2009-08-18 12:08 UTC Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (moleskine) Comments RE[2]: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379209 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379209 Hmm,

I propose a new law, to stand alongside Godwin's - to cover the mention of, comparison with or analogies based on references to North Korea or the North Koreans.

Would "Orfanum's Law" suit? :-) Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (orfanum) Comments RE[2]: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379210 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379210 can we have a 'bad apple' icon before each of these stories?

Could be helpful to keep track of them all over time Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adurbe) Comments RE[5]: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379212 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379212 Thanks for the reply. Lesson learned, won't happen again. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (galvanash) Comments RE: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379221 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379221 Well, there is simply a lot of negative stuff to report about Apple.

If Apple didn't have iPhones that blew up, and subsequently Apple offered a refund on the condition of silence (completely appalling)...

If Apple wasn't so draconian about it's App Store ...

If Apple wasn't trying to suppress free press ...

If Apple didn't refuse to back up their product and their Apple Care (see recent ZDNet article) ...

If Apple legal dept didn't call Microsoft bitching about MS's "value" Ad campaign ...

If Apple wasn't so secretive about Steve Jobs' health (yes, a CEO needs to be transparent, because it affects the company) ...

If Apple didn't have so much DRM in their iTunes ...

... and on and on ...

... then there wouldn't be negative articles about them. But Apple has done all those bad things, and more, so there is plenty of bad stuff to report about them.

And sorry for the Apple fanboys who don't want to face all that.

I own an iPod. I forked out my $150, when I could have spent about half that on a Sandisk Sansa for equivalent functionality, because I had an open mind about Apple's design, packaging, ease of use. I also bought into their hype. But when the iPod dies, it's Sansa or Creative for me.

And oh, on the computer side, it's a Dell with Vista and Ubuntu for me. ;-) Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JeffS) Comments RE[4]: Comment by mith http://www.osnews.com/thread?379222 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379222
A large part of Apple costumers buys there products because they have enough of Microsoft's shady business practices. They sometimes, quite literarlly see Apple as something resembling the 'light side'.
Therefore news that can break this illusion can be very welcome.
Not to mention, not too much here on OSNews, is fun to read the resulting comments from Apple-fanboys of such articles.


For me, I don't care about practices; I just want a product that works out of the box with minimum fuss and bother - Apple provides me with that product. If Microsoft could provide a superior experience, I'd use that. if Novell could do the same thing, I'd move to them.

I have no loyalty - I go with what ever does the job. Maybe instead of an anti-Apple or anti-Microsoft vendetta, you used some of that pent up frustration to educate end users of alternatives so that their software repotoi extends beyond the big 4-5 software companies. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE[2]: How is Apple in the know? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379226 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379226 Or they got tipped off by someone the author came to asking for information while doing research.

Who was it again who said Silicon Valley is a small world? ;-)

I must add that the Times article is written with a sense of humor and with insight. The author has been recollecting some standard anekdotes and combined it with insightful analyses. Well-worth the read. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eddyspeeder) Comments RE[3]: WTF? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379227 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379227 Yeah just for the record: Thom is NOT David.

David bombastically announced to "have fun" with showing Apple's dark side, only to be hardly ever heard of since.

Thom usually writes the news, and as far as I'm concerned, he still intends to remain objective. However I must say that haus's excellent overview actually has started me reconsidering this viewpoint.

Edit: in the light of the below comments, I do think at times it is excusable to let the balance topple over toward either the negative or positive valence side, in order to put the overall picture back into balance.

Or (translation): most of us thought pretty positively about Apple. What OS News plainly does, is point out that we should change this view in favor of us knowing that Apple is "both good and bad". That said, we got the message. Now let's re-establish a balance & get some positive news out there again.Edited 2009-08-18 14:39 UTC Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eddyspeeder) Comments RE[5]: Comment by mith - child labor is ok then? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379228 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379228 So since you don't care about business practices which give you a nifty product to buy; child labor and dangerous work conditions wouldn't be an issue for you? You'd be ok with promoting such business practices by throwing more money at companies which do that sort of thing?

I'm not saying that this is what Apple is doing; I suggest it as an example of what "I don't care how the company does it long as I get my shinny thingy" leads.

I don't promote companies which build single OS targeted hardware unless no other option exists for that device type. I don't promote how MS does business unless they provide the only viable option for a software need. I don't promote companies known to employ unfair trade practices outside of computers either. I'd rather give my money to a company which demonstrates traits I can agree with. But, how you spend your money and what business practices you promote, of course, your own decision as a consumer. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jabbotts) Comments RE: Very Original. http://www.osnews.com/thread?379238 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379238 Please stick to not reading articles that don't interest you and making annoying comments like this, you're wasting my time.

If you don't like a particular story, don't feel like you have to post something. Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BluenoseJake) Comments RE: Comment by moleskine http://www.osnews.com/thread?379300 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379300 Pride leads to destruction, and arrogance to downfall.

(a.k.a. Pride comes before the fall / Hoogmoed komt voor de val) Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eddyspeeder) Comments RE[6]: Comment by mith - child labor is ok then? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379376 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379376
So since you don't care about business practices which give you a nifty product to buy; child labor and dangerous work conditions wouldn't be an issue for you? You'd be ok with promoting such business practices by throwing more money at companies which do that sort of thing?


I do understand there is a degree of ethical consumption but at the same time I do think there are people here who go overboard where they claim because they can't load Mac OS X onto a non-Apple computer that it is akin to the end of the world or some sort of fascism.

I'm not saying that this is what Apple is doing; I suggest it as an example of what "I don't care how the company does it long as I get my shinny thingy" leads.


Of course, if it is taken to the logical extreme then 'bad things' can occur - but we're not talking about that. We're talking about a situation where one man has an intense need to build a massive wall between his corporate persona and wishing it to be kept separate from his personal life - be it his family or his health.

I don't promote companies which build single OS targeted hardware unless no other option exists for that device type. I don't promote how MS does business unless they provide the only viable option for a software need. I don't promote companies known to employ unfair trade practices outside of computers either. I'd rather give my money to a company which demonstrates traits I can agree with. But, how you spend your money and what business practices you promote, of course, your own decision as a consumer.


So you'd sooner promote a product that doesn't do what the end user wants? there is a time and place to have wide eyed idealism then one has to come down to earth, realise that the world runs on Windows with Mac OS X taking a very distant second place. All the alternative operating systems either lack hardware support or lack software support from big name vendors. That is the reality - you can talk about having and ethical outlook but at the end of the day the end user wants a computer that works with their hardware supported running the software from the vendors they like - and they don't like being condescended to by self righteous people claiming that they know what is best for them and how xyz software can save their soul even though it doesn't do what the end user wants.Edited 2009-08-19 11:14 UTC Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE[7]: Comment by mith - your previous comment http://www.osnews.com/thread?379494 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379494 Your previous comment made it sound like the internal policies of a company where not relevant provided you got your shinny product.

"So you'd sooner promote a product that doesn't do what the end user wants? there is a time and place to have wide eyed idealism"

This also ignores the part where I say "unless XYZ is the only option". To clarify, if Microsoft's product is the only one that can meet the user's needs then fine, I use that until an equivalent or better product comes along from a company who demonstrates policies I can more closely agree with. I said nothing about forcing an option on a user with "wide eyed idealism" when it does not meet there needs. Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jabbotts) Comments So special? http://www.osnews.com/thread?379589 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379589 I don't understand why when it comes to Apple the media and pundits out there have to make it so special and particularly reporting the facts wrongly?

it has sued websites for publishing information it didn't like


The information that you refer to, are industrial prototypes and industrial informations vital for the Apple's strategy. Since when it is so special that a compagny sues people who are making public its internal confidential informations, informations which will be inevitably used by its competitors? Th history is full of case like that, just recently a french car compagny have sued some journalists who have published prototypes and informations of their new cars. Why you make it sound that is is only an Apple thing? It is not. Get you facts right, and stop spreading your anti apple crap.

and has tried to keep information under wraps


Wrong gain, you read too much of the sensationalism press (i guess you can only understand that). What Apple does is what any other compagny does: protecting itself from wrong and sensationalist reporting which usually don't separate what is a fact and what is imaginary. Any compagny does that, remember the Mercedez Class A car? Some cars were defective and journalist made such a mess of it, but it was way too much exaggerated.

it has tried to prevent The Times from publishing an article about Steve Jobs.


So what? Some people preventing other people to write (usually non-sense) about their personality is not an Apple thing. Actors, politicians, singers, they is a ton of example of such cases.

And you want other companies name that keep press far from them. Here it goes: Renault, BMW, Boeing, Sony, and the list is big.

So what it is your point on bashing (like the Times jackass) Apple on the matter? Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Hakime) Comments Agree http://www.osnews.com/thread?379590 http://www.osnews.com/thread?379590
Of course this is a news piece for front page!

Notices that are actually about operative systems, like the Jolicould, Snow Leopard GM, or the Linux 3D GUI revolution don't deserve the same importance as gossip.

It's sad to see what OS News was and what is it turning into now.


I totally agree, this website was about technology not sensationalist meaningless informations. As far as i see it, it is still called OSNews, this site should treat primarily about news related to operating systems and about operating system new technologies. Not useless gossip made up by bored and incompetent journalist. All the interesting staff always end up in Page 2, whereas the shit is just popping up on Page 1 for the sake of attracting zealots on forums and having more page hits.

Thank you Holwerda for that, you turned this site to a general "garbage collector".Edited 2009-08-20 08:00 UTC Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Hakime) Comments