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What about a N900 review? Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kragil) Comments RE: Miles ahead? http://www.osnews.com/thread?383868 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383868 > "Miles ahead": Why don't you tell your hubbie how to fix that?

My husband works on the open source side of Android, not the UI.

As for an N900, if Nokia sends in a unit, I will review it.Edited 2009-09-14 05:27 UTC Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments still outdated hardware. http://www.osnews.com/thread?383882 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383882 In terms of hardware it's still years behind of other leading brands. The features it boasts were on relevant about 5 years ago.
If I swapped it for my Nokia N86 I'd feel like I was stepping back in time.

I still don't know anyone who owns an iPhone. Maybe people outside of America just demand more current technology?? Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gedmurphy) Comments RE: still outdated hardware. http://www.osnews.com/thread?383884 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383884 The 3Gs does have quite modern hardware. Except the camera tech on Nokia phones (e.g. a xenon flash, some camera software features as found on S60), I don't see anything important missing from the iPhone hardware-wise.

As for not knowing anyone who has an iPhone in your country, I almost don't know anyone who DOESN'T have an iPhone here in the Bay Area. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE: still outdated hardware. http://www.osnews.com/thread?383887 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383887

In terms of hardware it's still years behind of other leading brands

It's not the hardware, it's the software. Most people don't care about hardware as long as it meets some (quite low) minimum standard. What they do care about is software and UI, and there the iPhone still seems to have everyone beat. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dagw) Comments What about the price? http://www.osnews.com/thread?383892 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383892 Did they finally get the price right?
Previous iPhones were priced like they could compete with modern phones with all features enabled. Pinching is cool, but it hurts to have to pay the price of a high-end smart phone and have the same features of a sub $100 phone. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (spiderman) Comments RE: still outdated hardware. http://www.osnews.com/thread?383897 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383897 It's not a big secret that the U.S is lagging the rest of the world in mobile technologies and the uptake on said technologies.
I also don't know a single person who has an iPhone but on the other hand I'm stuck with a Suckberry. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Soulbender) Comments RE: What about the price? http://www.osnews.com/thread?383898 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383898 In the UK, pretty much every phone on the market comes free with a contract apart from the iPhone ... so I would say no.

My Nokia N86 came free with a Â£35 a month contract. (1000 minutes, unlimited texts)
In comparison the iPhone on the same contract costs Â£274.23

Maybe that's why people here don't buy them?? Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gedmurphy) Comments camera http://www.osnews.com/thread?383915 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383915 everyone can make a list of wishes they want in such a high tech gadget, but what i'd like personally is a good enough camera. i mean something that does nice pictures, like Nokia's have.

3GS pictures are fine and all (im surprised there's no quality comparison here this time), but not fine enough to make "quality" pictures.
Not pro level, far from that you know, but equivalent to what you can get from a decent real camera.

That and backgrounding. In fact, I want a 3GS with webos inside (sorry, android, but you're not the same

and a better camera. word! Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (_xmv) Comments RE[2]: What about the price? http://www.osnews.com/thread?383917 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383917 In the UK? You don't live in London then. I must see about 30+ people with iPhones* every day. I commute in to London and this is just being on the train and tube on the way to work. Three people in my office od 15 people have an iPhone.

* caveat - I obviously don't scrutinize *every* device, so I guess some might be iPod Touches, but as the headphone jack is on the bottom rather than top side on those devices, it *usually* easy to tell the difference. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (memson) Comments RE[3]: What about the price? http://www.osnews.com/thread?383925 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383925 The last time I saw an iPhone was about one year ago. I live in Belgium and travel often to France. I know someone who is an Apple fan and he bought one of the first iPhone back then. It is the only person I know who has an iPhone.
Here too, you get a N97 for â¬1 with a new phone contract. Alone, the iPhone is the same price as the N97. And who would want an iPhone for pinching instead of a N97?Edited 2009-09-14 12:04 UTC Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (spiderman) Comments Maybe it's a U.S and Euro thing. http://www.osnews.com/thread?383929 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383929 I live in fairly well developed country in Southeast Asia (we're hosting a F1 GP this month). The Iphone has been available here for a while, and there is some heavy marketing going on with regards to it.

The thing is, due to our closeness to Japan (both in terms of distance and tech-culture), we tend to get quite a few models from there that most in the west don't get to see, and believe me, they're light years ahead of the Iphone in terms of techporn. I've heard noobs on Cnet say that the Japanese don't know how to design a good UI, but I get along just fine. Most of these models completely spank the I phone in terms of battery life as well.

I've never owned an Iphone before (I'm not gay and don't stroll around the tropics wearing a turtleneck), but I have tried it when my telco was promoting, and to be honest, I don't really see how it can make me more productive (the key word being "me" here)

Maybe I'm just not that demanding enough a user... Hell. I even think Nokia's often criticized Symbian UI is more than enough for my mobile browsing needs.

Looking forward to Android a lot, though. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gan17) Comments RE: Maybe it's a U.S and Euro thing. http://www.osnews.com/thread?383935 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383935 iphone & ipod touch mobile browser marketshare
june to august 09 according to statcounter.com

world 25,3% + 12,1% = 37%

north america 36% + 23% = 59%
oceania 32% + 16% = 48%
europe 29% + 11% = 40%
south america 21% + 10% = 31%
asia 5% + 2% = 7%
africa 3 % + 0,5% = 3,5%

well, the iphone is expensive. obviously that's a problem for some people. actually that's the only reason i don't own one. but i don't whine about it and call ipod owners gay. by the way, the gayness off asians also seems to correlate with their income:

japan 53% + 10% = 63%

south korea, where the iphone can't be sold because of some strange regulations, is dominated by the ipod touch:

south korea 5% + 86% = 91%

and your police state country, which you don't want to mention, also seems to have a problem with rampant iphonesexuality:

singapore 33% + 19% = 52%

-> http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_browser-ww-monthly-200906-200908-... Edited 2009-09-14 13:20 UTC Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (puenktchen) Comments RE[2]: Maybe it's a U.S and Euro thing. http://www.osnews.com/thread?383940 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383940 I don't know how they gather those stats, but that just does not match reality. Maybe they are not able to detect Opera Mobile or Symbian's browser, but it's just not possible. It does not match what I see around me. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (spiderman) Comments iPhone UI vs Androids UI http://www.osnews.com/thread?383941 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383941

In terms of usability, the iPhone is by far the most usable mobile device today. This is the real reason why it's so successful: its UI makes sense. More so than the promising WebOS, and miles ahead than Android's default UI. It's a joy working with an iPhone because it has no bad surprises for you. Even most third party apps follow the UI guidelines well, resulting in a very cohesive experience.

However, the iPhone is not perfect. It has flaws. In detail:

All but 1 of those requests work on Android (and even the one - flash 10 - that doesn't work is less of an issue (for me) because youtube still does and that's pretty much the only time I use Flash.

So I'm curious what's so bad about the Android UI (which to me doesn't feel significantly different from the iPhones UI) that would make you choose a functionally inferior handset?

(I appretiate this question might sound like trolling - it's a genuine question / curiosity as I rarely have any complaints about Androids UI) Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments RE: still outdated hardware. http://www.osnews.com/thread?383947 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383947 The best hardware and most powerful software means nothing if the UI is not easy to use and streamlined. This is where many people, myself included, feel the iPhone is superior to competitors. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (polaris20) Comments RE[3]: Maybe it's a U.S and Euro thing. http://www.osnews.com/thread?383951 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383951

I don't know how they gather those stats, but that just does not match reality. Maybe they are not able to detect Opera Mobile or Symbian's browser, but it's just not possible. It does not match what I see around me.

symbian & opera are the two main competitors outside of the usa, so yes, they are detected. but the numbers reflect the traffic on webservers and not the number of phones carried arround. i do know and see many more people carrying phones from nokia that are called smartphones, but none of them are really used as internetclients. only the iphone users are constantly looking up something. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (puenktchen) Comments RE[2]: Maybe it's a U.S and Euro thing. http://www.osnews.com/thread?383956 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383956 No idea what to make of your stat counter, but believe me, hardly anyone in Japan uses an Iphone (Mac users included)... I travel there often, btw.

I'm not saying it's bad (though it's still gay), just that there are lots of way more advanced alternatives out there.

Only 4 people I know use the Iphone, one is a hairdresser (gay), one is a guy who lives on the same floor as me (works in fashion), one is a housewife who can't stop complaining that the battery life sucks, and one owns it purely cos he wants to get rich creating apps for it.

Regardless of what that stat thingy says, I'd say only 1 in 50 mobile users own it here in S'pore (at most, but probably less... rich people included)... the trend here seems to be gravitating towards simpler, more minimalist cellphone + netbook, from what I notice (we're a small country and there's WiFi at nearly every corner). I don't know whether that's a good thing or not... just what I'm noticing (I work in a supposedly tech-savvy part of the city, btw) Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gan17) Comments RE[3]: Maybe it's a U.S and Euro thing. http://www.osnews.com/thread?383961 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383961

I'm not saying it's bad (though it's still gay), just that there are lots of way more advanced alternatives out there.

Only 4 people I know use the Iphone, one is a hairdresser (gay), one is a guy who lives on the same floor as me (works in fashion), one is a housewife who can't stop complaining that the battery life sucks, and one owns it purely cos he wants to get rich creating apps for it.

Enough of this homophobic crap!

Can we please have some moderation on this forum that stops this sort of offensive and idiotic prejudice.

If I kept putting a technology down by saying it was only for blacks would that be tolerated?

Come guys - it is the 21st century! (well it is here in London - in other parts of the world it may still be the middle ages). Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tony Swash) Comments Excuse me for stiring the pot http://www.osnews.com/thread?383962 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383962 Honestly this wasn't much of a review.

...to check how well it stacks up against its older brother...

How about comparing the 3Gs to other smart phones? Not everyone puts the iPhone on such a high pedestal, as you have. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kenji) Comments RE[3]: Maybe it's a U.S and Euro thing. http://www.osnews.com/thread?383979 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383979

How open-minded of you. Can you say 'gay' one more time? Tell us some stories of your queer-beating exploits. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kenji) Comments drop your iPhone and see how much better it is http://www.osnews.com/thread?383985 http://www.osnews.com/thread?383985 With any other smartphone you have the option to buy insurance on it so if you drop it and crack the screen you can send it is and get it fixed.

Drop and iPhone? Apple care doesn't cover that. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (modmans2ndcoming) Comments RE: iPhone UI vs Androids UI http://www.osnews.com/thread?384008 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384008 The problem with Android is its UI, not the actual features that you mentioned. If you have all the features in the world, from the moment its UI is not organic as the iPhone's is, then something's missing from the recipe, and all is in vain.

For me, someone who has worked in usability professionally, and also as a gadget freak, the Android UI doesn't inspire me at the least. It's still better than WinMob, UIQ and Symbian S60 5.x, but it doesn't hold a candle to either iPhone or WebOS.

Google needs to take seriously their UI and redesign it in a way that's organic, consistent, modern, good looking. Even at the expense of breaking compatibility that one time, if required. That's my personal, and ex-professional, opinion on the matter. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[2]: iPhone UI vs Androids UI http://www.osnews.com/thread?384010 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384010

The problem with Android is its UI, not the actual features that you mentioned. If you have all the features in the world, from the moment its UI is not organic as the iPhone's is, then something's missing from the recipe, and all is in vain.

For me, someone who has worked in usability professionally, and also as a gadget freak, the Android UI doesn't inspire me at the least. It's still better than WinMob, UIQ and Symbian S60 5.x, but it doesn't hold a candle to either iPhone or WebOS.

Google needs to take seriously their UI and redesign it in a way that's organic, consistent, modern, good looking. Even at the expense of breaking compatibility that one time, if required. That's my personal, and ex-professional, opinion on the matter.

Thanks for the reply, but you've still not actually answered my question:
So I'm curious what's so bad about the Android UI? Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments RE[3]: iPhone UI vs Androids UI http://www.osnews.com/thread?384013 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384013 I did answer that. It's not an inspiring UI. It's not a coherent UI. It's not an organic UI. It's not a polished UI. Some parts of the UI are not very responsive either. Each app does its own thing in terms of usability, inputs etc. And the lack of multi-touch, does have a major bite in usability too.

It's just not as good overall. After I use it, it just doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth.

And then there's the apps. The media player on Android is a joke compared to the iPod UI. The Contacts usability is terrible. The lack of a good twitter client, the lack of Facebook 3.0 (Android's version is very cut down), the lack of a Wordpress app, the lack of a STABLE multi-IM app like IM+, are things that I personally need to function too.

Overall, the iPhone, with all its limitations imposed by Apple itself, still outweighs Android for me.

WebOS on the other side, does many other things wrong, that put it in a LOWER rank than Android. However, WebOS has a better UI than Android, and it's a joy to use. This is why, when averaging everything, I put WebOS and Android almost at the same rank. But none of the two can touch the iPhone in terms of user satisfaction. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[4]: iPhone UI vs Androids UI http://www.osnews.com/thread?384022 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384022 To each his own.
I find the iPhone UI pleasing to the eye. It's like compiz, it is cool and I like it. I like to play with it, but after 30 minutes, it's annoying. For me, it lacks a real keyboard, or real buttons. There are some genuine good ideas in the UI, but it is all wasted by the hardware in my opinion.
Anyway, I don't have one, I just tried my friend's one and on the shop, so maybe I'm mistaken. I just don't get what it has that make people pay the price of a high-end phone to have it. The 'organic' UI is cool, but for that price I believe I can expect more than a toy to play with for 30 minutes. I can do that at the shop for free. When you bring your phone home and discover that you connect to your friends, that the camera sucks, that the battery sucks, that the apps suck and are expensive, that you can't video chat... you could have that for less than $100, minus the organic UI but with a better battery and a better camera. I like blinking toys, but not at that price. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (spiderman) Comments RE[5]: iPhone UI vs Androids UI http://www.osnews.com/thread?384030 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384030 Yeah, well, 30 mil of users think otherwise. ;-) Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments Android and iPhone http://www.osnews.com/thread?384045 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384045 I have both the iPhone and the Android and while Android does have some good points - currently the iPhone is the Champion. Apple nailed the UI hands down.

For the iPhone, the big negatives are multi-tasking and USB storage mode/removable content. i don't see how IM and VoIP apps will work efficiently without the multitasking. I am not going to wait on Apple to implement USB access for content simple because they might have security concerns for the content thye sell and also it probably competes with their itune reliance.

The Android has the worst media player of all of them. It's unresponsive and slow and the video quality and scaling functions are not that good. Android still relies on the processor to do some of the heavy lifting. Android also lacks the mechanisms for receiving real-time video (other than 3Gpp) from a streaming servers like iPhone segmented TS. I hope Google will implement this or some third part extension.

The Biggest negative for Android will be something which happened to WinMo. Segmentation and Fragmentation. Different device manufacturers developing incompatible hardware that cannot run many of the "For Android" apps because of poor integration. Lets hope Google have a tight requirements and interoprability testing program to make certain this does not happen.

-DxN Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dindin) Comments Non-Default UI Android Phones http://www.osnews.com/thread?384050 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384050 While the default Andriod UI is rather unimpressive, there are quite a few phones coming out with rather impressive android customized UIs. The HTC Hero with the sense UI is already available, and while I don't know how well it matches up with the 3GS and its superior processor, it is already IMO ahead of the older generation iPhones. Motorolla and SE are both coming out with customized Andriod UIs. It would be interesting to see if one of these phones can be reviewed in comparison to the iphone 3Gs. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darkstego) Comments RE[4]: iPhone UI vs Androids UI http://www.osnews.com/thread?384056 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384056

I did answer that. It's not an inspiring UI. It's not a coherent UI. It's not an organic UI. It's not a polished UI.

Odd, because I find the opposite to be true. Granted the defaults aren't are pretty as the iPhone, but it doesn't take much to get it on a par.
That said, I do admit that Androids default "home" is a little disapointing. But there's some great 3rd party ones out there.

Some parts of the UI are not very responsive either.

No less responsive than the iPhone in my experience - which is all the more impressive given Android accepts background processes.

Each app does its own thing in terms of usability, inputs etc.

That's really not true. Android is definitely on a par with the iPhone in that respect.
Yes there are some awful interfaces on Android apps. But then there are on the iPhone too.
But for the most part, developers on both platforms try to stick with the native themes of their platform.

And the lack of multi-touch, does have a major bite in usability too.

Multi-touch can be added (drivers have been around for months now but, due to patent issues with Apple, Google can't integrate it into the main code.
However, multi-touch Android is there for anyone who's happy to patch their G1

And then there's the apps. The media player on Android is a joke compared to the iPod UI. The Contacts usability is terrible.

True. I can't disagree with you there.

The lack of a good twitter client, the lack of Facebook 3.0 (Android's version is very cut down), the lack of a Wordpress app, the lack of a STABLE multi-IM app like IM+, are things that I personally need to function too.

Android's facebook app serves me fine. What features are you missing?
Besides, they're not UI faults. They're just examples of how the iPhones app catalogue is more mature than Androids is.
But given time, this wont be the case any more (in fact, Android's app catalogue is maturing at an impressive rate!)

Overall, the iPhone, with all its limitations imposed by Apple itself, still outweighs Android for me.

Fair enough. These things boil down to personal preference at the end of the day.
I can see why people like the iPhone, but I hated the thing when I tested it and found Android to be more intuitive for me (particularly with the QWERTY keyboard on the G1)

I could harp on all day and night about how my G1 has made my life easier and more entertaining - but then I'm sure you could just as easily tell tales of you iPhone's success too

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments Does iPhone=iPod Touch? http://www.osnews.com/thread?384060 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384060 I don't desire an iPhone (not interested in switching to AT&T, and not interested in the expense of a data plan if it comes to Verizon Wireless), but am looking at an iPod Touch as a replacement for my current non-cellphone WinMo PDA. Is the iPod Touch identical to an iPhone sans the cellphone electronics? If so, will this upgrade come to the iPod Touch? Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Jon Dough) Comments RE: Does iPhone=iPod Touch? http://www.osnews.com/thread?384070 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384070 Yes, it does. Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE[6]: iPhone UI vs Androids UI http://www.osnews.com/thread?384087 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384087 And about 3 billion people think like me

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (spiderman) Comments RE: still outdated hardware. http://www.osnews.com/thread?384095 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384095 What the hell are you talking about? Even the top-of-the-line Nokia phones are seriously underpowered, even when compared against the old iPhones.

With the exception of the N900 (not S60, but nice hardware) and the Samsung i8910HD (which is on par with the 3GS/PrÃ©/N900), S60 phones sport at most ARMv6 CPUs without any graphics acceleration or FPU, 128 MB RAM, small, low resolution screens (except for 5th Ed), resistive touchscreens...

Not to mention the plastic and the Nokia build quality, or the freezes and other bugs people are experiencing (I could show you a couple of examples if Hungarian's fine with you).

But you know, if you're happy with S60, suit yourself. Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (VZsolt) Comments RE[5]: iPhone UI vs Androids UI http://www.osnews.com/thread?384096 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384096

No less responsive than the iPhone in my experience - which is all the more impressive given Android accepts background processes.

I disagree. I've tried many different cooked ROMs on my G1, but there are some annoying lags I can't seem to get rid of, and make me want to smash the phone. Including, but not limited to: waking from sleep, pulling down the notification panel, typing on the keyboard (especially in the browser, this I hate the most).

And background processes would only be a plus, if they wouldn't invoke the GC (killing any game's speed), or if Meebo wouldn't quit from time to time, dropping my conversations (and killing my mood). Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (VZsolt) Comments Photoshare Bluetooth http://www.osnews.com/thread?384100 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384100 Hi Eugenia,

concerning "5. AVRCP/PAN/LAP/Obex Bluetooth support...."
there is an Application called PhotoShare and if I remember correctly is free. Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Jazzman69k) Comments RE: Photoshare Bluetooth http://www.osnews.com/thread?384103 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384103 And there was Mover before that - you're missing the point. Neither are using standard protocols, you can't use them with anything else than other iDevices

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (VZsolt) Comments RE[2]: Photoshare Bluetooth http://www.osnews.com/thread?384106 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384106 thanks for the info, was not aware about that. Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Jazzman69k) Comments RE[3]: Maybe it's a U.S and Euro thing. http://www.osnews.com/thread?384149 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384149

Well aggregated statistics are going to be more accurate than your anecdotal experience, whether you want to accept it or not. Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Chicken Blood) Comments RE[4]: Maybe it's a U.S and Euro thing. http://www.osnews.com/thread?384150 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384150

"I'm not saying it's bad (though it's still gay), just that there are lots of way more advanced alternatives out there.

Only 4 people I know use the Iphone, one is a hairdresser (gay), one is a guy who lives on the same floor as me (works in fashion), one is a housewife who can't stop complaining that the battery life sucks, and one owns it purely cos he wants to get rich creating apps for it.

How open-minded of you. Can you say 'gay' one more time? Tell us some stories of your queer-beating exploits. "

He's clearly a closet case. Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Chicken Blood) Comments RE[3]: Photoshare Bluetooth http://www.osnews.com/thread?384175 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384175 This requires TWO iPhones. I don't want that. I want a NORMAL Obex Bluetooth protocol, so I can send ANY kind of file to ANY kind of cellphone! Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments RE: iPhone UI vs Androids UI http://www.osnews.com/thread?384243 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384243 Where I work, we recently had an HTC Dream (known as the G1 in the US) for about a month for testing purposes. After using it a bit, I tend to agree with Eugenia - the UI isn't horrible, but it is kludgy.

The two aspects that jumped out at me:

1) Scrollbars in configuration windows/apps. I suppose that's inherent with a handheld OS that isn't specific to any individual device, but I'm used to that stuff fitting-the-screen on handhelds.

2) The "trackball" thing. For one, I found it much less precise than the directional pad on my Treo - and since trackball can also function as a button, I found it too easy to accidentally scroll while pressing it. I also found it awkward for scrolling in webpages - instead of scrolling like the wheel on a mouse, it jumps from one link to the next.

(FWIW, though, I would probably still take the Dream over an iPhone - mainly because of the physical keyboard and the lack of restrictions on running third-party apps) Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (StephenBeDoper) Comments RE: Miles ahead? http://www.osnews.com/thread?384420 http://www.osnews.com/thread?384420 Get a free iphone here: http://gifts.freebiejeebies.co.uk/125542
Just complete an offer - join coral and bet a Â£5 for example and then refer some friends. Easy! Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tonyfpj) Comments