OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/22830/Joo_Joo_in_Production_To_Ship_This_Month_Includes_HD_Flash Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2012, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:35:25 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Cool device http://www.osnews.com/thread?407746 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407746 Looks like a very cool device. Would be interesting to see how the reviews pair up against the iPad as this machine looks better (spec wise).
The only thing this machine lacks (as far as I can tell from the website) is the slick 3D OS features the iPad has. As mentioned these features could of course be added by hackers ;) Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (IvoLimmen) Comments Comment by flanque http://www.osnews.com/thread?407747 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407747 Hopefully there's good competition in this space to keep innovation rich and hopefully "force" Apple to drop being so restrictive.

All we need is Google to launch gPad.. or GooGoo.. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (flanque) Comments But but http://www.osnews.com/thread?407749 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407749 Fine device, but what has contaminated OSNews?

Some kind of "Gadget Flue"?

I also dislike the use of the term "innovation" with these gadgets, phones, and whatnot. It is more about consumerism, I think. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (strcpy) Comments RE: But but http://www.osnews.com/thread?407750 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407750 I have contaminated OSNews. With unicorns and rainbows and happiness.

Can't you feel the love? Feel it, damnit! Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments I wonder also http://www.osnews.com/thread?407751 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407751 I wonder also how "open" is "open"...

As we have seen, being based on Linux is by no means a guarantee that something is open.

Unlike the Linux community and the GPL advocates, I consider something as "open" when there is freely available quality documentation about both the hardware and the software. At least the Joo Joo website fails miserably at this.Edited 2010-02-04 11:06 UTC Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (strcpy) Comments RE: I wonder also http://www.osnews.com/thread?407754 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407754
I consider something as "open" when there is freely available quality documentation

Well that eliminated just about all the Linux distributions out there.Edited 2010-02-04 11:09 UTC Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (flanque) Comments RE[2]: I wonder also http://www.osnews.com/thread?407755 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407755

Well that eliminated just about all the Linux distributions out there.


Heh, while in essence that's true, it was not quite what I was after.

Thom hoped that being Linux based will lure hackers to add functionality and so on. But as there is a new gadget every month and the silicon is moving so fast, at least I won't be the one who wastes time coding (or reverse engineering) undocumented hardware (or software, to lesser extent).

And no, it doesn't make it open if there is some FTP server somewhere that contains the GPL'ed bits, full of magic constants. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (strcpy) Comments Illegal? http://www.osnews.com/thread?407766 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407766 I may have missed something here, but how would hacking your own iPad be illegal? DMCA? Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cm49) Comments CPU? http://www.osnews.com/thread?407769 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407769 The tech specs on the web page make no mention at all about the CPU. Is it ARM-based, x86 or something else entirely? My guess would be ARM, but which one? Snapdragon, OMAP, Armada and Tegra are all possible contenders.

"Browser-based OS" is not very informative either. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (torbenm) Comments Comment by Blomma http://www.osnews.com/thread?407774 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407774 Being able to hack something is far different from it being legal. The only obligation that they have is releasing the source code for any modifications they have made to the kernel and whatever bits make up the rest.

The question still remains on how will we be able to load up a custom OS onto it, if at all. Also without any kind of specs and documentation hacking on this thing will interesting.

But lets wait and see what kind of moddable support they have before getting all worked up about it. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Blomma) Comments RE[2]: I wonder also http://www.osnews.com/thread?407775 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407775 http://www.redhat.com/docs/
http://www.debian.org/doc/
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml
http://www.slackbook.org/
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
http://en.tldp.org/Edited 2010-02-04 13:18 UTC Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (spiderman) Comments Comment by BigDaddy http://www.osnews.com/thread?407795 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407795
Basically all the Joo Joo needs for me to be considered useful is to have the ability to browse SAMBA shares;

If this thing runs Linux, as long as you can install NFS & portmap, you should be able to do whatever you want. I mean, you do have a Linux/BSD server and not a Windows box for a server, right? Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BigDaddy) Comments RE: Comment by flanque http://www.osnews.com/thread?407796 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407796 Doesn't it sound like this one already run chromeos? Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aliquis) Comments RE: But but http://www.osnews.com/thread?407802 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407802
Fine device, but what has contaminated OSNews? Some kind of "Gadget Flue"? I also dislike the use of the term "innovation" with these gadgets, phones, and whatnot. It is more about consumerism, I think.


You probably have an overflow in you consumer electronics buffer.

You should have used strncpy. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments Battery Life http://www.osnews.com/thread?407803 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407803 Hopefully this pad will run long enough if with or w/o a customized OS... But I doubt it. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Envying1) Comments RE[3]: I wonder also http://www.osnews.com/thread?407805 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407805 Ehm. If I want to write code for hardware, how does documentation for Linux distributions help me? Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (strcpy) Comments Too lazy to search myself... http://www.osnews.com/thread?407808 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407808 Anyone of instant links to videos of it in action? Or more in depth info? Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tuishimi) Comments No 3G? Seriously? http://www.osnews.com/thread?407809 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407809 Now that you can get decent data plans for 3g, an expensive device such as this should have GSM/GPRS/3G built in.

Also, what about the screen? Is it a sunlight readable one? Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tuttle) Comments RE: Cool device http://www.osnews.com/thread?407811 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407811 What specs are you looking at?

Looking at

https://thejoojoo.com/sites/specification

and

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

The Ipad has twice the battery life and a physically larger screen, but less pixels (1366 x 768 joo joo vs 1024 x 768 ipad).

If the Ipad were more open, it would be a no brainier for me. Or conversely if the Joo Joo was created by a more ethical company, then it would win out. But as it is, I think I'll just update my mac book. Slates would be cool, but I need the keyboard. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE: No 3G? Seriously? http://www.osnews.com/thread?407812 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407812 You can get decent 3G data plans ? In the US? What do you consider to be decent? Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE[2]: Cool device http://www.osnews.com/thread?407813 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407813
What specs are you looking at?

The Ipad has twice the battery life and a physically larger screen, but less pixels (1366 x 768 joo joo vs 1024 x 768 ipad).


Well, according to those sites, ipad have a 9.7-inch (diagonal) diplay and joojoo 12.1 inchs. So joojoo's screen is larger. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (stanbr) Comments RE[2]: No 3G? Seriously? http://www.osnews.com/thread?407818 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407818
You can get decent 3G data plans ? In the US? What do you consider to be decent?


I am not from the US, but surely you must have some kind of high speed wireless data plans?

In germany you can buy a umts/hdspa data flat rate for about 20 EUR per month. So obviously any mobile gadget that does not come with 3G connectivity is kind of pointless. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tuttle) Comments Incredible http://www.osnews.com/thread?407829 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407829 They actually came up with a name worse than the ipad.

So does this mean that Apple's war against tinkerers has been temporarily averted? Perhaps the headline should contain a more sensationalist title like Joo Joo tablet joins the alliance against the evil Apple forces who plan total enslavement of tinkerers.

Apple will face greater competition with tablet devices since they aren't tied to a carrier. There are a lot of people that want a portable device for cafe and bedroom surfing but would not pay $500, especially when you can get a good notebook for $350. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nt_jerkface) Comments RE[3]: No 3G? Seriously? http://www.osnews.com/thread?407832 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407832 It's not the plans themselves that are the problem here in the US, it's the fact that coverage is relatively poor no matter what provider you go with. You can get an unlimited 3g plan for $25-$30/month USD from most major wireless carriers. Trouble is, no matter which carrier you go with, you won't have coverage everywhere and chances are if you don't have coverage in a specific area, someone else on another carrier will have coverage *there* but if they were to go back to where you live, they would have no coverage on their carrier. It's the same situation for cel coverage too. All the carriers have their regions where they're strong, but if you're outside of those regions chances are you get zero signal whatsoever. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments Only 1 compelling difference vs iPad http://www.osnews.com/thread?407833 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407833 And that's Flash, and maybe the camera (and from the rumors, that's probably a short term advantage).

Other than that, it's thicker, heavier, bigger, 1/4 storage of the base iPad, no 3G option (perhaps through the USB port), 1/2 the run time.

iPad costs the same, may well be faster (don't know the CPU specs), and the iPad has "140,000 apps" on the AppStore, as well as iTunes and iBooks. So, it's got a boatload of content readily available.

iPad also has a large network of walk in service and support centers.

Bad timing to be here when the 800lb gorilla enters the room.

Geeks may buy this. VARs making vertical apps may buy this. But it's not a compelling package right now for consumers, save for Flash. And I don't think that's enough to carry it. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (whartung) Comments Why 1080p http://www.osnews.com/thread?407843 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407843 I don't understand why a device with a 12" screen and 1366 x 768 resolution needs to support 1080p, it's not like it would be noticeable. I have a 42" TV at home that only does 720p and it looks great to me. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cranfordio) Comments RE[3]: No 3G? Seriously? http://www.osnews.com/thread?407846 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407846
a flat rate for about 20 EUR per month. So obviously any mobile gadget that does not come with 3G connectivity is kind of pointless.


Wow. I want to move to Germany.

In Argentina, 200MB/month costs $100, which is U$S26, which is more or less €19. Each additional MB is very expensive.

Flat* is only available for iPhones at $149 (€28)

In either case, you can't *legally* do tethering

* 3GB/month (after 3GB your speed is reduced to 128Kbps) Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nbensa) Comments RE: But but http://www.osnews.com/thread?407848 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407848 The emergence of the tablet sector after so many years of false starts, and the adaptation of existing OSes and the creation of new ones to serve it will be the biggest thing to happen to the OS world in ten years. If this isn't "OS News" then what is? Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (David) Comments RE: Why 1080p http://www.osnews.com/thread?407849 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407849 I agree 100%. There's only one reason for a small-screen device to support 1080p, and that's "buzzword compliance." Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (David) Comments RE: Incredible http://www.osnews.com/thread?407850 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407850 ....because NOBODY would spend another 150$ more then the competition for an apple product Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (google_ninja) Comments RE[2]: Cool device http://www.osnews.com/thread?407859 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407859
The Ipad has twice the battery life


So the iPad already has twice the battery life and this thing supports Flash, which on Linux (and OSX) almost generates a core breech in the processor. Watching 1080p movies will be interesting then - you might get through the credits before the battery gasps its dying breath... Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mrhasbean) Comments RE: Illegal? http://www.osnews.com/thread?407861 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407861
I may have missed something here, but how would hacking your own iPad be illegal? DMCA?

Yes, the DMCA (which is idiotic beyond belief) prevents you from using your own device however you want to.

It just goes to show how messed up the legal system is, where big companies can simply pay for new laws... Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Zifre) Comments RE[3]: Cool device http://www.osnews.com/thread?407871 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407871 They specifically mention flash 10.1, which is supposed to bring many performance enhancements including better hardware acceleration for things like H.264 video. Adobe's literature also makes great mention of improvements on mobile devices, so perhaps it won't destroy the battery life all that much after all. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bralkein) Comments ... so that things like Hulu will work. ... http://www.osnews.com/thread?407873 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407873 Except for the rest of the world... ;) Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (roar) Comments RE: Comment by BigDaddy http://www.osnews.com/thread?407875 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407875 At the risk of going a bit OT I nonetheless feel compelled to mention that some people (myself included) find NFS to be a bit of a PITA compared to Samba, which is actually very well supported & easy to set up on Linux. Consider that you also get free & easy Windows interoperability for the household's MS lusers as well and it does actually make a reasonable choice sometimes ;)

If this pad doesn't come with Samba support out of the box, it should be fairly straightforward to add it if the thing's even the least bit hackable. If it's not, well then it's hardly worth buying anyway ;) Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bralkein) Comments RE: Why 1080p http://www.osnews.com/thread?407876 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407876 I second that. What good is the 1080p support if the display can barely support 720p? Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sultanqasim) Comments RE: CPU? http://www.osnews.com/thread?407891 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407891 It's a VIA Nano CPU inside. So it's X86 compatible and could run Windows. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (truckweb) Comments RE: Cool device http://www.osnews.com/thread?407892 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407892 Only 4GB RAM? I hope there's an external slot for more storage. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Phloptical) Comments RE[2]: Why 1080p http://www.osnews.com/thread?407975 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407975 If you have a 1080p movie available it would be nice if the device could play it scaled down without stutter.
Although 720p looks nice enough on my computer scaled up a bit. Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gfx1) Comments RE[4]: No 3G? Seriously? http://www.osnews.com/thread?407985 http://www.osnews.com/thread?407985
You can get an unlimited 3g plan for $25-$30/month USD from most major wireless carriers.


Luxury, luxury! ;)

By comparison, Rogers Wireless in Canada provides 2GB data transfer/month for $80/month. And last I checked, that's an especially good deal (by their standards) that's only available to iPhone customers. Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (StephenBeDoper) Comments RE[2]: Incredible http://www.osnews.com/thread?408041 http://www.osnews.com/thread?408041 I never said it wouldn't sell. Don't put words in my mouth.

But I would say that the majority would rather buy a $350 notebook than a $500 tablet, regardless of brand. That leaves a lot of room for competitors. A $200 tablet could really do well. Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nt_jerkface) Comments F the Cheats -- TechCruch and Loyalty to the Good http://www.osnews.com/thread?408417 http://www.osnews.com/thread?408417 I am dumbfounded that no one has mentioned CruchPad or TechCrunch in any of the comments. Did every one of you forget what happened just a few months ago? Does no one care about Honer and what's Right any more? JooJoo can go blow it out their digital arses. I for one will never ever touch a piece of technology of theirs after their total disregard of Michael Arrington. And I would hope other would feel the same. Your just asking for trouble when you buy a product from a vendor that's already proved their low character. Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (transami) Comments