OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/23085/KDE_Software_Compilation_4_4_2_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 22 May 2013 00:14:51 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Comment by igalmarino http://www.osnews.com/thread?416095 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416095 Installed ... i love Arch Linux !!!! Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (igalmarino) Comments Poll http://www.osnews.com/thread?416096 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416096 Windows Phone 7 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Beachchairs) Comments RE: Comment by igalmarino http://www.osnews.com/thread?416111 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416111 No kidding I was used to the quick updates on arch it just isn't the same on gentoo... Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cb88) Comments RE: Poll http://www.osnews.com/thread?416119 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416119 Tough one... they're both bad. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (UltraZelda64) Comments Comment by BluenoseJake http://www.osnews.com/thread?416124 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416124 Downloading now, I really love how KDE 4 has improved over the last few releases, I have really missed it. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BluenoseJake) Comments RE: Comment by BluenoseJake http://www.osnews.com/thread?416128 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416128 I agree... KDE4 has come a long way, from the horrible 4.0, to the still crap 4.1, to the STILL crap but getting noticeably better 4.2, and 4.3--the version that, while still containing bugs, it finally seems to be almost ready for day-to-day use (not perfect, and it has annoyed me several times, but I've been using it in the form of openSUSE 11.2 for a while now). I toyed around with the Chakra live CD earlier, which was nice, and I've seen some welcome improvements.

Meanwhile, I don't know if this is a Chakra-specific change, but I HATED Amarok's toolbar. If you could call it that, it only had a play/pause button and some text saying "go to the next track." Please tell me this isn't actually an upstream Amarok change... the interface blows. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 03:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (UltraZelda64) Comments RE[2]: Comment by BluenoseJake http://www.osnews.com/thread?416142 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416142 That's the default Amarok 2.3 toolbar. The good news is that you can get rid of it by selecting the Slim Toolbar instead.Edited 2010-03-31 05:38 UTC Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Soulbender) Comments Damn you Debian!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?416146 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416146 Debian still has not updated from 4.3. They used to be good about getting the updates into unstable, but that has fallen off recently. I was thinking of reinstalling a 64-bit OS, so perhaps I'll go Kubuntu next month. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (uteck) Comments RE[3]: Comment by BluenoseJake http://www.osnews.com/thread?416147 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416147 Well, next time I try out Chakra (or some other 4.4 distro) I'll have to find that. But seriously, WTF?! Reduced functionality is not ALWAYS good! The new Amarok interface is one of the biggest and ugliest wastes of space I've ever seen in a GUI (as were the openSUSE 11.2 version's, but at least they left less open space).

One more question though. Once again in Amarok, I have been using the capability of just clicking either the time elapsed or time remaining to switch the two around. I noticed it does not work in Chakra... is it possible? For some reason my mind works better one way--and not the way that seems to be default. I do like having, at a glance, both the time remaining and time elapsed though--but my mind just works better when they're in a certain direction. Based on the previous response, my guess is that they for some reason butchered that too. Simplifying is good, but these are two examples of butchering too far.

I do like some of the things that KDE is doing, but these examples remind me of the braindead things the businessmen of for-profit businesses would do. Which, ironically, I was trying to get away from when I ditched Windows.Edited 2010-03-31 06:51 UTC Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (UltraZelda64) Comments RE: Damn you Debian!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?416171 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416171
Debian still has not updated from 4.3. They used to be good about getting the updates into unstable, but that has fallen off recently. I was thinking of reinstalling a 64-bit OS, so perhaps I'll go Kubuntu next month.

I'd recommend giving Arch a try first.
Having used Kubuntu in the past, Arch is streets ahead.

However Arch does require more set up time and a willingness to dip into the command line - so it's clearly not aimed at everyone.
But if you give it a bash first then at least you know you have Kubuntu as fallback Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments RE[2]: Damn you Debian!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?416174 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416174
"Debian still has not updated from 4.3. They used to be good about getting the updates into unstable, but that has fallen off recently. I was thinking of reinstalling a 64-bit OS, so perhaps I'll go Kubuntu next month.

I'd recommend giving Arch a try first.
Having used Kubuntu in the past, Arch is streets ahead.

However Arch does require more set up time and a willingness to dip into the command line - so it's clearly not aimed at everyone.
But if you give it a bash first then at least you know you have Kubuntu as fallback "

Chakra is a way to have Arch without having to dip into the command line.

http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05980
http://chakra-project.org/news/index.php?/archives/47-Chakra-Panora...

Chakra setup is entirely similar to Kubuntu. Shaman2 is a GUI for the pacman package manager system.

I haven't yet tried this latest Panora (Alpha 5) version, but previous results have been good. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments RE: Damn you Debian!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?416177 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416177 It's not quite ready for Sid yet, due to something or other (I don't remember what, but it might have been related to qt and/or phonon). You can get it by putting

deb http://qt-kde.debian.net/debian experimental-snapshots main

into your /etc/apt/sources.list. It works. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (No it isnt) Comments RE[2]: Damn you Debian!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?416201 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416201 +1. I have been using that on Sid in one of my machines and for the most part, it works fine. I am not sure if I like the way that KDE SC 4.4 handles external media now - which is that it simply expands a menu of options beneath the media that has been plugged on the "storage media" plasmoid or whatever it is called with the options that used to appear on a separate dialog window previously - and thus I would like to see if there's a way to revert that to the previous behavior.

Also, for some reason all of the fancy effects used to switch applications when pressing Alt-Tab - such as cover flow that is the one that I use - no longer works and I was wondering if that is something unique to my setup or if it is something wrong with this release's packaging. In my case, it falls back to the "regular" Alt-Tab behavior on non-accelerated desktops.

Also, finally the Nepomuk/Strigi combo works as it is supposed to thanks to the brand new virtuoso backend but it still has ways to go if it wants to play on the same league of other more mature desktop searching tools.

Unfortunately, the team doing KDE packaging for Debian is severely over staffed - the number of packages and dependencies for KDE keeps increasing with each point release while the number of contributors remains flat - which means that it will be a while before we can see a proper release of the latest KDE on Debian with the quality of packaging and integration that we're used to.Edited 2010-03-31 14:32 UTC Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DeadFishMan) Comments RE[3]: Damn you Debian!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?416204 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416204 I deliberately avoided recommending Chakra because I found it very very buggy. Not a patch on an Arch system personally built.

This isn't criticism against Chakra as it's clearly advertised as Alpha software and does preform well taking that into account.

However if you want a bug free (read: reasonably bug free - all OSs have bugs) Arch desktop, then building it yourself is the best way to go.


Disclaimer: at least that's my experience anyway. Maybe Chakra worked better for you. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments RE[3]: Damn you Debian!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?416205 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416205
Unfortunately, the team doing KDE packaging for Debian is severely over staffed

if only all volunteer groups were overstaffed Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MamiyaOtaru) Comments RE[4]: Comment by BluenoseJake http://www.osnews.com/thread?416237 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416237
The new Amarok interface is one of the biggest and ugliest wastes of space I've ever seen in a GUI


yeah, it's pretty damn awfull. I prefef Bangarang over Amarok though.

I noticed it does not work in Chakra... is it possible?


That seems to be something in Chakra since clicking on them does switch them in Kubuntu Lucid.

I do like some of the things that KDE is doing, but these examples remind me of the braindead things the businessmen of for-profit businesses would do


Amarok isn't part of KDE SC actually. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Soulbender) Comments RE[4]: Damn you Debian!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?416271 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416271
" Unfortunately, the team doing KDE packaging for Debian is severely over staffed

if only all volunteer groups were overstaffed "

Heh! Obviously, I meant under staffed. But I think that I still managed to make my point.Edited 2010-03-31 19:47 UTC Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DeadFishMan) Comments RE[2]: Poll http://www.osnews.com/thread?416280 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416280 True, but Phone 7 is at least somewhat manageable to say. KDE's name is about as long as a typical sentence. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Beachchairs) Comments RE: Damn you Debian!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?416281 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416281 While Kubuntu has been getting less bad, there are still better choices.

I would prefer Arch or the KDE spin of Fedora. They have been much more pleasant experiences for me. Lots of people really like OpenSUSE as well, but I found to be a massive bugfest. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Beachchairs) Comments RE[4]: Comment by BluenoseJake http://www.osnews.com/thread?416283 http://www.osnews.com/thread?416283 Since 2.2, the Amarok interface is really customizable.
This is how mine looks:
http://imgur.com/H9U6E.png

And here's another example:
http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/122305-1.png

You can also change toolbar to slim. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rub3nmv) Comments