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OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/23424/Safari_5_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Mon, 20 May 2013 11:29:42 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Correct ad-impressions? http://www.osnews.com/thread?428816 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428816 Won't it be incorrect since some ads will be downloaded, but not displayed? Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Torbjorn Vik Lunde) Comments Correct amount? http://www.osnews.com/thread?428817 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428817 "The ads and various web pages are still fully downloaded, so web sites will still see the correct amount of page views and ad impressions."

If the ads aren't shown, won't the web site see _too many_ ad impressions then? Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tuxie) Comments RE: Correct amount? http://www.osnews.com/thread?428818 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428818 Yes, to many and less clicks. Some sites which mostly have visitors like this will get different ratios now and less money and less ads from ad-providers I guess. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lennie) Comments yoepie http://www.osnews.com/thread?428821 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428821 Great now I can finally see the HTML 5 showcase page *kuch*. A good thing is that addons have to be signed, I would like Firefox required that too and prefatching is nice too.

But for the rest I won't gonna use it, because I don't like Apple as company

Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (handy) Comments Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?428824 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428824 cryptographically signed by Apple.

you don't need to go through Apple's official channels to distribute them.

clearly, if apple sign the extensions themselves it does not matter if you can distribute them yourself or not, they still make the choice and control, apple store style.

Probably need more precisions here Tue, 08 Jun 2010 10:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (_xmv) Comments Not that impressed so far http://www.osnews.com/thread?428826 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428826 It might be my computer (Macbook 4,1 from 2008) but the performance doesn't really seem any different. As for the reader, which seemed like an awesome feature, on my system it's been disabled ever since I installed Safari 5. I can't enable it on any web page I've tried visiting, it's been grayed out the entire time. So, what looked like the most awesome feature of Safari 5 to me I can't even turn on. Wonderful. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 10:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments RE: Not that impressed so far http://www.osnews.com/thread?428828 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428828 Upon further inspection, even the help topic for reader is unavailable, help viewer claims it doesn't exist. Is anyone else experiencing this? Do I need to reinstall Safari 5 or is this really as buggy as I'm seeing?
edit: typo.Edited 2010-06-08 10:27 UTC Tue, 08 Jun 2010 10:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments RE: Correct amount? http://www.osnews.com/thread?428832 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428832 The page is shown fully and you have to click "Reader" in the URL bar, much like RSS; where upon it displays the Reader view. So you have to view all the ads first before you can mask them (Reader displays over a translucent black background so the original page is visible behind).

It only seems to support specific sites (NYT / BBC &c.) unlike Readability which makes a stab at most pages, so itâs not much of a feature. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 10:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments RE[2]: Correct amount? http://www.osnews.com/thread?428835 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428835

It only seems to support specific sites (NYT / BBC &c.) unlike Readability which makes a stab at most pages, so itâs not much of a feature.

If it works on NYT for you, you're having better luck than I am. No matter what article I click, no matter what section, I can't enable reader at all. It remains resolutely grayed out. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments RE: Correct ad-impressions? http://www.osnews.com/thread?428836 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428836 Page owner will like it, ad companies not so much.

But yeah, I agree.

But this way page owners won't try to bypass it .. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aliquis) Comments Reader = <3 <3 <3 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428838 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428838 i really like the reader and it worked right away on all news sites i frequent. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dumdiddydum) Comments RE[2]: Correct amount? http://www.osnews.com/thread?428839 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428839 I haven't got my hands on it yet (can't restart atm), so I'm wondering how it works. Does it try to guess which div has the content (unlikely since you say it works on specific sites only)? Does it use -webkit-display-this-on-the-reader-thingy or something like that? Does it use the html5 article tag? Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Stratoukos) Comments RE[2]: Correct amount? http://www.osnews.com/thread?428840 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428840 Um, it's working just fine on OSnews. Try your own GeOS article. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adam S) Comments reader = lynx? http://www.osnews.com/thread?428844 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428844 The reader is Safari's answer to lynx? Or did I misunderstand what it does?Edited 2010-06-08 12:11 UTC Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (spiderman) Comments RE[2]: Not that impressed so far http://www.osnews.com/thread?428848 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428848 Doesn't work for every news site.

Try this (works for me):
1. go to http://news.bbc.co.uk
2. click on a random article
3. wait until it's fully loaded
4. a reader icon should appear in the adress bar (at the position of the RSS icon) afterwards
5. click on it
6. voila

On sites where it works, it's a very nice feature.

btw: it's only available on Mac OS X 10.5 or newerEdited 2010-06-08 12:38 UTC Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Heard) Comments Comment by me http://www.osnews.com/thread?428849 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428849 It's quite annoying that it doesn't remember the zoom level when you visit a site for a second time. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pandronic) Comments Safari 5 still supports Flash http://www.osnews.com/thread?428850 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428850 Maybe Safari 6 will get a new kill-feature: Better browsing experience with less ads through Flash dispensation. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (usr0) Comments Bothersome http://www.osnews.com/thread?428855 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428855 I'm I the only one annoyed that Safari for Windows is 50MB download that is bundled with Quicktime and Bonjour? What total crap. We'll ignore the fact that the UI was almost entirely ripped from Chrome, except for tab placement (Which they tried, and failed miserably at, and fixed it before Safari 4 went final). Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Noctem) Comments RE[3]: Not that impressed so far http://www.osnews.com/thread?428856 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428856 Ok, that sort of worked. It only worked on one article for me (the one concerning the supposedly kidnapped Iranian scientist). Didn't work on the others though. Certainly would be a nice feature, but the fact that it works so very rarely makes it all but useless. Seriously, what's the point? Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments RE[2]: Correct amount? http://www.osnews.com/thread?428857 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428857 Thanks for the Readability tip! Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (righard) Comments RE: Bothersome http://www.osnews.com/thread?428865 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428865

I'm I the only one annoyed that Safari for Windows is 50MB download that is bundled with Quicktime and Bonjour? What total crap. We'll ignore the fact that the UI was almost entirely ripped from Chrome, except for tab placement (Which they tried, and failed miserably at, and fixed it before Safari 4 went final).

It's a big download with QT. But, on the download page you can choose one of two Windows Safari versions for download - one with Quicktime and one without (saves about 20MB). Bonjour is coming in either one, although you can choose to not have that bothersome app installed during setup.

Regarding Safari ripping off Chrome's UI... Safari was released 5 years before the first beta of Chrome (back in 2003 on Panther) and overall UI design for Safari hasn't changed significantly since then (just tweaks). Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sasparilla) Comments RE: Bothersome http://www.osnews.com/thread?428867 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428867 Well, at one point all the apple for windows apps used the quicktime library for the GUI as well as the multimedia. So that explains quicktime. Bonjour is just stupid. 99.99% of people installing Safari for Windows will never use it. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments What I cannot understand.. http://www.osnews.com/thread?428872 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428872 is why did't they build it on GNUStep to work on more platforms and reuse their experience in ObjC. Just wondering. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fithisux) Comments RE[2]: Bothersome http://www.osnews.com/thread?428874 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428874 Is there any reason to install Bonjour on Windows? I have never heard of anyone using it.

I guess if you are in a Apple/Mac environment they would be using it. But shouldn't Bonjour be separated? Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (robojerk) Comments RE: What I cannot understand.. http://www.osnews.com/thread?428877 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428877

is why did't they build it on GNUStep to work on more platforms and reuse their experience in ObjC. Just wondering.

Because they do not see any potential for income in doing so. They do not care.

Also GNUStep is not keeping pace with Apple's APIs and that would make for more work, again with little to be gained by Apple. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lazarus) Comments Click2Flash still works http://www.osnews.com/thread?428881 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428881 I'm really glad that Click2Flash still works in Safari 5. I thought it might have gotten broken but no.

Personally I hope that as many ads as possible stick with Flash so that I can block them.

Why do I block them? Animation. If they took animation out of their ads I wouldn't block them with anything I can find. Just being honest.

As for the Reader only working on some articles. The articles have to be Long enough for it to be available. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sabon) Comments RE[2]: Bothersome http://www.osnews.com/thread?428886 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428886 Take a look at a screenshot of safari 3, then safari 4, on windows. Safari 4 came well after chrome, and it shows. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Noctem) Comments RE[2]: Bothersome http://www.osnews.com/thread?428897 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428897 Also, when I downloaded Safari last night, having it bundled with QuickTime was the only option available. The standalone download was added some time today, so that, at least, has been corrected

Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Noctem) Comments RE[3]: Correct amount? http://www.osnews.com/thread?428906 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428906

"It only seems to support specific sites (NYT / BBC &c.) unlike Readability which makes a stab at most pages, so itâs not much of a feature.

If it works on NYT for you, you're having better luck than I am. No matter what article I click, no matter what section, I can't enable reader at all. It remains resolutely grayed out. "

Works just fine and I'm running it on a Powerbook to test with Leopard 10.5.8. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments Downloading Safari (via Apple Software Update) http://www.osnews.com/thread?428912 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428912 ...for Windows.

31 MB for me. But I already have iTunes/Quicktime installed.

I am guessing it will still be somewhat ugly on Windows with irritating font rendering.

Still, it will be fun to try it out. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tuishimi) Comments Not bad http://www.osnews.com/thread?428916 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428916 I've been playing with it since yesterday but Chrome is still quite a bit faster. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (strestout1) Comments RE: Downloading Safari (via Apple Software Update) http://www.osnews.com/thread?428970 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428970 Huh. The fonts are not rendering as badly as I remembered. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tuishimi) Comments Runs great. http://www.osnews.com/thread?428975 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428975 I am using a Powermac G4, but it runs even faster. So far, it's great, and I can't wait to see what Extensions start getting pulled together.

And a sneak edit: Here is the blog for extensions that are coming out like running water.

http://safariextensions.tumblr.com/Edited 2010-06-08 20:58 UTC Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (NathanHill) Comments RE[4]: Not that impressed so far http://www.osnews.com/thread?428991 http://www.osnews.com/thread?428991 There's something wrong...the Reader works great for me on all type of news sites, any site I've tried with articles. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (parrotjoe) Comments browser history disclosure leak http://www.osnews.com/thread?429001 http://www.osnews.com/thread?429001 I can't believe all you guys do is bitch about UI originality, and the pretty useless Reader feature, when this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/08/safari_history_leak_fix/ seems much more newsworthy.Edited 2010-06-08 22:00 UTC Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fraterf93) Comments About Reader http://www.osnews.com/thread?429032 http://www.osnews.com/thread?429032 I think it simply appear on webpage with print view. It even works on a korean portal site. And seems its content is identical to of the print view on the same page. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 23:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (t3RRa) Comments RE[2]: Bothersome http://www.osnews.com/thread?429353 http://www.osnews.com/thread?429353

Well, at one point all the apple for windows apps used the quicktime library for the GUI as well as the multimedia. So that explains quicktime. Bonjour is just stupid. 99.99% of people installing Safari for Windows will never use it.

There are supposedly a number of printers that are using ZeroConf/Bonjour, but whether you need to install it or not, that's another matter. Is it part of Windows 7? Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bousozoku) Comments