OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/23510/Microsoft_Kin_is_Dead Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sun, 26 May 2013 02:27:16 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Great. http://www.osnews.com/thread?432103 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432103 Now they'll never resurrect the Courier. Thu, 01 Jul 2010 06:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tuishimi) Comments Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432106 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432106 Microsoft have zero ideas how to actually succeed in the mobile space. They seem determined to repeat Apple's mistakes, like being locked to a specific carrier or having their phones require a specific plan. Earth to Microsoft: That only worked for Apple and only for a little while. You can, and should, do better! Thu, 01 Jul 2010 07:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments RE: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432109 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432109 The vendor lock is awful. For example, if I wanted to get iPhone 4 - I can't, because I don't live in US. But apart from that Kin thing, let me ask : "likely thanks to its too-high-for-the-demographic $30 data fee from Verizon" - is that too much for current US market ? and what exactly data fee means ?
For example, here in Europe, you can get а 15$ plan with lots of free minutes / SMS, and an Internet access included, with some speed limitations after going over the initial MBs. Then, you can get a phone leasing for 1 or two years included in your monthly bill, for as low as 2-3$ per month. Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kvarbanov) Comments RE[2]: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432110 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432110
The vendor lock is awful. For example, if I wanted to get iPhone 4 - I can't, because I don't live in US. But apart from that Kin thing, let me ask : "likely thanks to its too-high-for-the-demographic $30 data fee from Verizon" - is that too much for current US market ? and what exactly data fee means ?


I listened to TWIT or some other shoddy podcast - they talked about the problem with that $30 plan. This was intended for "generation upload" which means young kids. If you have 2 kids, that's $60/month extra stress on your wallet. Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vivainio) Comments RE: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432113 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432113
Microsoft have zero ideas how to actually succeed in the mobile space. They seem determined to repeat Apple's mistakes, like being locked to a specific carrier or having their phones require a specific plan. Earth to Microsoft: That only worked for Apple and only for a little while. You can, and should, do better!


The vendor lock in isn't global, I can get iPhone on any of the major networks and many of the minor ones in my country, and the only difference to their standard plans is the bundled data, and they're actually cheaper than the standard plans + data. I can also buy iPhone "unlocked" and put whatever sim I like into it. The killer here is the cost of data. Because our standard aDSL and cable broadband plans are all data based providers charge a fortune for it, and the same applies to 3G data, which is one reason I'm so thankful that iPhone DOESN'T do over-the-air updates. Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mrhasbean) Comments So... http://www.osnews.com/thread?432116 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432116 is it even confirmed? I'm asking because the beginning of the Gizmodo article quotes nobody specifically. Saying
Microsoft is ending its short life, sources close to Microsoft tell us.

is not really what I call an affirmation. The rest doesn't look compelling enough to justify the conclusion. A product that took years of development and cost millions being buried alive so abruptly is just out of my grasp. Buried to the point that Europe doesn't get to **see** it! Am I the only one surprised by this? Come on, the world is not limited to the US. Granted, the smartphone market is not a 6 billion people market but the Giz article says the Kin is not even a smartphone. So basically, why wouldn't it be a success elsewhere? Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vodoomoth) Comments May be we missed something but .... http://www.osnews.com/thread?432118 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432118 What exactly have they discovered this quickly that they couldn't work out before hand?

Big corps like to pride themselves on being ultra shrewd so what gives? Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ameasures) Comments Not to worry http://www.osnews.com/thread?432126 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432126 Not to worry - if "only 500 Kin phones were sold" on launch day, but Microsoft "will continue to work with Verizon in the U.S. to sell current KIN phones", then they'll still be available for a few decades. Or more. Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ricegf) Comments RE: So... http://www.osnews.com/thread?432127 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432127 The problem with the kin is it is a feature phone, with smart phone parts (expensive processor, expensive touch screen etc.), which means that it is can't be much cheaper than an Android phone or iPhone.

And there is the problem. If I can can an Android Phone or iPhone for just a little bit more and install whatever social networking software I want on it, why should I get a Kin? Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (arpan) Comments Comment by FealDorf http://www.osnews.com/thread?432132 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432132 I find it a bit sad actually --- while the price was outrageous and all; the interface was pretty interesting and could've given Microsoft an upper hand. However, if what they say is true and they integrate it into Win7Mo, then that'd make Win7mo a much more attractive device Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (FealDorf) Comments Uhm http://www.osnews.com/thread?432133 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432133 Not surprising. I think the Danger deal was started before the success of the iPhone, which, of course, profoundly changed the business. After the iPhone, Danger's phones weren't as desirable as they used to be. Consequently, the acquisition became a lemon.

So, why still release the Kin? Well, I'm talking out of my ass here, but is it possible that part of the deal was that Microsoft wouldn't instantly kill Danger, but had to come with a successor instead?

If so, it would explain this product and move. Microsoft made the most of it and experimented with interface ideas on a product they could get feedback on - and the feedback has, in fact, been positive (interface-wise).

So, now they can shove these ideas back into Windows PHone 7. Clever. Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments RE: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432144 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432144
Microsoft have zero ideas how to actually succeed in the mobile space.


Microsoft is a single entity, there is no need for the plural form of has. Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nt_jerkface) Comments RE[2]: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432145 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432145 There is in British English (you know, the real thing ;) ). Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments I wonder... http://www.osnews.com/thread?432152 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432152 "Kin you hear me now?" Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments Hallelujah! http://www.osnews.com/thread?432153 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432153 No more obnoxious ads on Hulu!

But seriously... if this is true, I think they quit without even really trying.

How many years of Zune failure did it take to put out a winner?

Maybe (if confirmed) it has more to do with the management purge They had a couple of months ago (cleaning the closet of stuff left behind by Allard and Bach), than any real device strategy.Edited 2010-07-01 15:13 UTC Thu, 01 Jul 2010 15:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (daddio) Comments + brownie http://www.osnews.com/thread?432160 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432160 I saw the one that looks like a square and my 5 years old daughter thought it was a brownie! MS sucks big time in the cellphone market.

It is funny to see how our visionaries are all looking at Apple to copy their ideas so they can make a profit for their companies. Can they come out with something unique? Where is the creativity? I guess Steve Jobs has it all. Palm came with the webOS but the marketing was not the best but it is a hell of a OS.

Shameful to mention that but this is how I see it.

-t Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (2501) Comments RE[3]: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432161 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432161 You mean like this British guy:

Great Britain has lost an Empire and has not yet found a role.

Acheson, Dean

Brits sometimes incorrectly use the plural form in spoken word. Their own history and textbooks use the correct form.Edited 2010-07-01 16:48 UTC Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nt_jerkface) Comments RE: Hallelujah! http://www.osnews.com/thread?432168 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432168 They put out a winner?

When?! Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bryanv) Comments RE: + brownie http://www.osnews.com/thread?432169 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432169 The marketing for the Pre freaked me (And a lot of other people) the hell out. There was -no- way that product was going to sell. It was simply too damn creepy to carry around in your pocket. Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bryanv) Comments RE[2]: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432177 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432177 That $30 is in addition to the $40 minimum you pay for phone service. (Texts are more still on smartphones, but I don't know about the Kin). The plan pricing certainly could've been a factor, but Verizon has instituted mandatory data plans on all their "multimedia" (feature?) phones, and it hasn't killed off the rest of their feature-phone offerings. [I do agree with another comment on here that, since that is the case, it makes more sense to pay a bit more and get a real smartphone.]

As for not trying it on another network, it may have been CDMA only, or it may just not have sold well due to the goofy marketing and strange form factor. I'm no fan of Apple's, but the Kin's industrial design can't tie the iPhone's shoes. Maybe MS ought to loan their keyboard and mouse hardware people to the phone group. Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (license_2_blather) Comments RE[2]: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432179 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432179 No need, maybe, but it's acceptable. "Microsoft" may be seen as an entity or as a group (plural). Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (license_2_blather) Comments RE: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432203 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432203
Microsoft have zero ideas how to actually succeed in the mobile space.

I agree.

They seem determined to repeat Apple's mistakes like being locked to a specific carrier

I assume you are in the US? In the UK all the operators sell the iPhone (O2, Vodafone, Orange, T-Mobile and H3G). Even Tesco, a chain of supermarkets, sells it! ;)

http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/buy/
http://direct.tesco.com/p/inc/specials/iphone/

or having their phones require a specific plan.

What specific plan? Again you must be talking about the US, in the UK you can buy it unlocked or with a Pay Monthly contract or even with a regular Pay & Go SIM.

For example I just got an O2 Pay & Go SIM for free (most operators here give them away) to use with my 1st gen iPhone. I top up with 10 pounds per month and have 300 SMS and 500MB of data. There's nothing specific about it apart from the lack of Visual Voicemail maybe.

http://freesim.o2.co.uk/

Earth to Microsoft: That only worked for Apple and only for a little while. You can, and should, do better!

The first iPhone came out in 2007. The iPhone 4 came out days ago and sold over 1.7 million units in 3 days. What do you mean by "it only worked (...) for a little while"?

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/06/28iphone.html Edited 2010-07-01 21:38 UTC Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Governa) Comments RE[3]: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432205 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432205 No it is a single organization which requires the singular form.

You won't find a sentence like The East India company have in any classic British text. The current informal usage is grammatically incorrect. Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nt_jerkface) Comments RE[4]: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432230 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432230 (pulling out my Harbrace Handbook, 14th edition...)

Depends on whether the subject refers to the group as a whole, or to its individual members. Since the corporate entity does not have ideas, but its employees do, I think one could argue for the plural form here, at least in British English.

Da Book does state, however, that in American English collective nouns used as subjects are always singular. Fri, 02 Jul 2010 01:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (coreyography) Comments RE: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432279 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432279 Isn't it a surprise what MS tried to borrow a couple of things from Apple? ^_^ Fri, 02 Jul 2010 11:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (viton) Comments RE[4]: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432343 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432343 Thank you. I brought this up regarding a post the other day. *sigh* OSNews have not agreed with me. ;-) Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tbutler) Comments RE[2]: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432355 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432355 You'd be correct, I'm in the US. The Microsoft Kin phones were also going to be sold here, so I thought it an apt comparison. Microsoft, in this case, made the same mistake Apple did in this country. Further, I say it only worked for Apple for a little while because the they've pretty much hit the amount of people willing to switch to AT&T (who really aren't that great) in order to get the iPhone. Certainly Apple is still going to sell millions of iPhone 4's in the coming weeks, but most of them are going to be upgrades from previous AT&T phones (mostly older iPhones).
I'm glad Apple, at least outside of the US, weren't dumb enough to lock the iPhone to one carrier via a ridiculous five year contract. Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments Comment by motang http://www.osnews.com/thread?432370 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432370 I still stand by the fact that the data plan was way too much for these phones. Sat, 03 Jul 2010 01:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (motang) Comments RE[4]: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432437 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432437
You mean like this British guy:

Great Britain has lost an Empire and has not yet found a role.

Acheson, Dean

Brits sometimes incorrectly use the plural form in spoken word. Their own history and textbooks use the correct form.


Sorry bud, you are wrong. The British know their own 'living' language just as you know your dialect (for example, in my own dialect both British and American spelling is generally accepted - we prefer to communicate rather than distract or get distracted by 'grammar nazism'). Why start this off-topic discussion just because you don't like the content of the post? Sun, 04 Jul 2010 07:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (StaubSaugerNZ) Comments RE: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432449 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432449
Microsoft have zero ideas how to actually succeed in the mobile space. They seem determined to repeat Apple's mistakes, like being locked to a specific carrier or having their phones require a specific plan. Earth to Microsoft: That only worked for Apple and only for a little while. You can, and should, do better!


I think if Microsoft could repeat Apple's "mistakes" they would be ecstatic.

The evidence does not suggest that Apple's approach has "only worked for a while". Apple's iPhone sales are continuing to accelerate and iOS continues to build an ever larger user base. And of course the iOS has the largest number of Apps and developers etc plus an App market measured in billions. Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tony Swash) Comments RE[3]: Face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432454 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432454 Blow it out your kazoo, Thom. I get this enough from actual Brits without a chime-in from Europe. Real thing or no, even British linguists admit British English is used sloppily; the U.S. has hardly cornered that market among those that believe Noah Webster was and is a heretic.

Back on topic: Kin, meet Zune. Mon, 05 Jul 2010 00:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jaklumen) Comments face it http://www.osnews.com/thread?432463 http://www.osnews.com/thread?432463 enjoy life!!here is a website to help us to enjoy our life better.now i give you this website.please click in it.you will find a surprise.here is the website www.MatchSugar.com ^^^^ Mon, 05 Jul 2010 06:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lilyyoyo) Comments