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the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries are petty

I hope they're not

But hey, DR17 getting released, DNF being released as well, what kind of vaporware will we be able to complain about now ?!!Edited 2010-10-04 09:21 UTC Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (_xmv) Comments RE: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443648 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443648 Iâm getting you a Phantom gaming console for Christmas

Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments RE: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443649 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443649

But hey, DR17 getting released, DNF being released as well, what kind of vaporware will we be able to complain about now ?!!

Yeah, I'm starting to wonder if hell froze over this year

Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WorknMan) Comments RE[2]: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443650 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443650 There's always the trusty GNU Hurd. It'll probably remain vaporware for years to come. Unfortunately we've lost two projects to joke about, but at least one major one remains...Edited 2010-10-04 09:53 UTC Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (UltraZelda64) Comments awesome! http://www.osnews.com/thread?443653 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443653 I just reminded the days when the enlightenment was one most recommended window manager with its eye candy and features. I am looking forward to tinker with it. Though would it be hard to port to mac's x11?

Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (t3RRa) Comments Completely awesome http://www.osnews.com/thread?443655 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443655 I seem to have become a Linux user just in time. This was the first desktop that attracted me to Linux! This is the greatest news ever. I will have to start writting some programs for it ASAP. It seems like the jokes about it will be mute when its finished. I am already using despite it not being "ready", and I love it! Its requirements are so low it runs on cell phones! It also has support for 3d windows I seen somewhere... I wish I could find it again. Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ironhoof) Comments RE: awesome! http://www.osnews.com/thread?443656 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443656 http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide/Installing_o... Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aliquis) Comments RE[3]: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443659 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443659 Looks like 2011 will be the Year of Vaporware Condensing. Of course, then the world will end in 2012 but we can celebrate the Apocalypse playing Duke Nukem Forever. Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bannor99) Comments RE: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443661 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443661

But hey, DR17 getting released, DNF being released as well, what kind of vaporware will we be able to complain about now ?!!

I had exactly the same thoughts when I read the title.
What is happening to this planet, is the end really near?

Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous Penguin) Comments Windows Vista, Duke Nukem Forever, and now this http://www.osnews.com/thread?443662 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443662 We're only waiting for the Hurd, the fourth horseman of the Apocalypse. Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (No it isnt) Comments RE: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443663 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443663 Yeah, I mean even Duke Nukem Forever will finally come out next year. Seriously? Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aargh) Comments RE[2]: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443685 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443685

I had exactly the same thoughts when I read the title. What is happening to this planet, is the end really near?

No, that happens when the Chicago Cubs win the World Series. Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments RE: Completely awesome http://www.osnews.com/thread?443686 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443686

It seems like the jokes about it will be mute when its finished.

Or as Joey Tribbiani said: "It's a moo point. It's like a cows point of view, it just doesn't matter, it's moo." Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments RE: Windows Vista, Duke Nukem Forever, and now this http://www.osnews.com/thread?443687 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443687 You mean GNU/Apocalypse. Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (orestes) Comments RE[2]: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443692 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443692 It all started with the release of a new Starcraft... Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aliquis) Comments Comment by Radio http://www.osnews.com/thread?443694 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443694 Can't wait to play Duke Nukem Forever on my Hurd/E17 box! The 3D drivers for Wayland make it run really smoothly on my ARM multicore! Truly next year is the year of the linux desktop!

(More seriously, yeah for the good news!) Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Radio) Comments RE: Comment by Radio http://www.osnews.com/thread?443703 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443703 Linux on the desktop ?

The desktop is already losing ground, the webstatistics from netapplications and statcounter show that:

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_vs_desktop-ww-monthly-200909-2010...

This one is somewhat harder to read, it shows Windows, Mac and Linux (desktop) loose to iOS and other (mostly mobile):

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9 Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lennie) Comments The apocalypse is Neigh! http://www.osnews.com/thread?443704 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443704 They should hold off until Jan 2012 just to make sure we are all *really* Fuc*ed

Who would of thought that R17 would ever *really* be released? Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kallisti5) Comments RE[2]: Comment by Radio http://www.osnews.com/thread?443709 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443709

Linux on the desktop ?

The desktop is already losing ground, the webstatistics from netapplications and statcounter show that:

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_vs_desktop-ww-monthly-200909-2010...

This one is somewhat harder to read, it shows Windows, Mac and Linux (desktop) loose to iOS and other (mostly mobile):

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9

Well, those are percentages, so without raw data it could simply be that mobile OSs are growing faster than desktop, while the desktop still sells a stationary very high flow of devices every day.

That would not be surprising, considering that only few people currently own mobile devices that are good at web browsing, so there are lots of potential buyers once said devices start to become attractive.

We cannot conclude anything from this, because we're comparing a mature market to an emergent market. It would be like saying in the 90s that lasers are going to outsell milling machines and drills for all machining jobs, using numbers showing that the industrial laser market share, which was nonexistent before, is growing, while the mature drilling&milling market is stationary.Edited 2010-10-04 17:39 UTC Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Neolander) Comments RE: The apocalypse is Neigh! http://www.osnews.com/thread?443725 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443725 I can't wait until January 1st, 2013... so I can point and laugh at everyone who seriously believes that the world will end in 2012. Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BallmerKnowsBest) Comments RE: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443729 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443729 Vaporware ?

According to Slashdot this is old news. Enlightenment was released on 2003 april first: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/03/04/01/1423252/Enlightenment-goes-... ;-) Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (KermitTheFragger) Comments RE[2]: The apocalypse is Neigh! http://www.osnews.com/thread?443739 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443739 I have it on good authority that the world will end on the 31st of December this very year! Oh... Wait, just need a new calendar... Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Moredhas) Comments RE: awesome! http://www.osnews.com/thread?443745 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443745 @t3RRa : "Though would it be hard to port to mac's x11?" It's already working on Mac OS X. See

http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/MACOSX Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dcaro) Comments RE[3]: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443754 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443754

There's always the trusty GNU Hurd.

Meh, Hurd doesn't really count. I mean, anybody really believe that was ever going to come out? Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WorknMan) Comments RE[4]: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443799 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443799 Can't they just kill hurd and switch over to making something like plan9 rock? Tue, 05 Oct 2010 03:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bnolsen) Comments another 'c' toolkit http://www.osnews.com/thread?443800 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443800 I'm still not pleased that the EFL is just another 'c' GUI library that re implements the object model of c++ rather poorly. There's nothing wrong with leveraging the small subset of the c++ object model, it really makes sense for GUI development. Tue, 05 Oct 2010 03:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bnolsen) Comments RE: another 'c' toolkit http://www.osnews.com/thread?443829 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443829 frankly the entire linux desktop model is boring. Etoile/GNUStep looked interesting but it'll be 2025 before they produce anything resembling a usable desktop. Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Darkmage) Comments RE[2]: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443830 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443830 We all go through this every now and then. Remember Wine 1.0? How about Mozilla 1.0? And I had similar thoughts when Star Craft II was released this year.

All in all as a long-time E16 user I am pleased to see E17 reaching maturity. You can really do some impressive things with it and I'd like some more modern E16 alternative that doesn't suck. Remember when there were dozens of interesting window managers and everyone used something different? Now most people don't know what a WM is, much less which they're running. Metacity, compiz, kwin and the die-hard minimalists are all you really hear of these days. Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sorpigal) Comments RE: another 'c' toolkit http://www.osnews.com/thread?443850 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443850 "I'm still not pleased that the EFL is just another 'c' GUI library that re implements the object model of c++ rather poorly."

You just don't know how it works. It's not at all like GObject. It does not try to implement an object model in C.

"There's nothing wrong with leveraging the small subset of the c++ object model, it really makes sense for GUI development."

Try to use QT on embedded devices, and have speed and low memory usage. It's just impossible. As an Example : on a set top box running a MIPS @200MHz, QT was just not running, gdk was uber slow, Evas (the graphic part of the EFL) allowed animations at 25 fps. Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dcaro) Comments RE[2]: another 'c' toolkit http://www.osnews.com/thread?443853 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443853 QT isn't light weight c++. It's the epitome of bloat. Look at something more like fltk for something light weight that can be done with c++

Looking at the api it looks like emulating c++ objects with 'c'. Noting all the c style namespacing there's another low hanging fruit. Not to mention the function calls with 15+ arguments.Edited 2010-10-05 14:26 UTC Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bnolsen) Comments RE[3]: another 'c' toolkit http://www.osnews.com/thread?443898 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443898 "Looking at the api it looks like emulating c++ objects with 'c'."

There is only 1 object : Evas_Object. That's all. And you say it emulates c++ objects ? Seriously...

"Noting all the c style namespacing there's another low hanging fruit. Not to mention the function calls with 15+ arguments."

If for you C++ is namespace and some (few) functions that take more than 10 parameters, you have a bad idea of C++. Talk about heritage, polymorphism, exceptions, template, etc... That's C++. And all that stuff cost. C++ can be light but then slower than C. It can beat C in speed using meta programmation maybe but then the memory consumption is quite high.

We have chosen C for several good reasons. That's a design choice. Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dcaro) Comments RE[3]: Comment by _xmv http://www.osnews.com/thread?443971 http://www.osnews.com/thread?443971 I don't think "vaporware" means what you think it does.... Wed, 06 Oct 2010 01:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tylerdurden) Comments RE[2]: Comment by Radio http://www.osnews.com/thread?444538 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444538 Seeing that "Linux on the desktop is dying, the stats prove it" comment, I was going to make a joke about combining Enlightenment's vaporware/(un)dead status with the old troll-meme about "BSD is dying, the stats prove it"... ( http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1391352 )

and then I remembered I already had... 3 years ago!
http://www.osnews.com/comments/18736

Oh the hu... manity! Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (KLU9) Comments