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OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/23883/Motorola_Slaps_Apple_with_Patent_Suit_Completes_Circle_of_Insanity Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 21 May 2013 16:15:13 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Good news http://www.osnews.com/thread?444292 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444292 I like when Apple gets blasted. They love abusing patents, like for example patenting LLVM and Clang so they can sue unsuspecting users when they see fit.

http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.#Patenting_LLVM.3F

More slaps like this (and that patent troll that robbed them for $200m the other day) are only things that could beat some sense into them. Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gnufreex) Comments Comment by Calipso http://www.osnews.com/thread?444293 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444293 The graphic doesn't include the lawsuit that the article is about. No arrow from Motorolla to Apple.

Edit: the graphic in the link does though.Edited 2010-10-07 10:24 UTC Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Calipso) Comments RE: Comment by Calipso http://www.osnews.com/thread?444294 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444294 I know... The original in the source link is broken - it's 700kb in size, and for some reason, it can't be converted into a sane format (png), since the converted file always ends up corrupted. As such, I found a small size version of the original, non-Motorola-vs-Apple variant. Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments Regarding Nokia... http://www.osnews.com/thread?444296 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444296 From the picture at the end, you can see that Nokia is involved in a shitload of legal battles.

It should be mentioned that most of these are not patent cases, but complaints about LCD price fixing. Just wanted to mention that before you guys name Nokia the mother of all Evil

Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fatjoe) Comments RE[2]: Comment by Calipso http://www.osnews.com/thread?444297 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444297 Just put the image in full screen, take a screenshot, and save it in PNG

It's ugly, but who cares ? It works !Edited 2010-10-07 10:42 UTC Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Neolander) Comments Safer? http://www.osnews.com/thread?444298 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444298 "I am slightly milder towards companies like Nokia and Motorola (compared to, say, Microsoft and Apple), because these two have genuinely helped develop and create the hardware backbone of mobile telephony, a true gift to the world that has made the lives of many people easier and safer..."

I don't know, all the idiots I see driving around with a cell phone held firmly to their head make me believe otherwise. As far as I'm concerned, they're as potentially dangerous as a drunk driver, and there are probably many times more of them than drunk drivers. At least drunk drivers often have a valid excuse: they were already f'ed up out of their minds and didn't know what the hell they were before they even got in the vehicle. Cell phone drivers? Not at all, they're just naturally plain stupid.Edited 2010-10-07 10:58 UTC Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (UltraZelda64) Comments Where is the CSIRO in the list? http://www.osnews.com/thread?444299 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444299 Interestingly, as broken as the patent system is. It is getting the CSIRO a boatload of money for wireless patents now that the Australian Government has started suing all the major tech companies for violating its patents. My tax dollars at work, bringing more tax dollars back to Australian researchers where it belongs. Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Darkmage) Comments Comment by abstraction http://www.osnews.com/thread?444300 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444300 Hahaha I loved the LALALALALALLALALALALA bit =) Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (abstraction) Comments RE: Regarding Nokia... http://www.osnews.com/thread?444305 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444305 Yeah, it would be interesting if the graphic could show e.g. with solid vs dotted lines which ones are patent suits over hardware and which one are about 'soft' patents. Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bitwelder) Comments To the pits with them all http://www.osnews.com/thread?444306 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444306 Here's hoping they sue the hell out of each other and rid the tech landscape of their vile legal presences! Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments As a Coil fan... http://www.osnews.com/thread?444308 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444308 I would have written '...Circle of Mania' Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TheGZeus) Comments RE: Good news http://www.osnews.com/thread?444311 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444311 Wow, is there no end to the insanity? From the link:

1. A method for processing computer code, comprising:storing a device-independent intermediate representation of a source code; and in the event an indication is received that the source code has changed, using the changed source code to generate and store a new intermediate representation of the changed source code.
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8. A method as recited in claim 1, wherein the intermediate representation comprises LLVM intermediate representation (IR), LLVM byte code or other byte code, or another appropriate intermediate representation.

The part in bold means it is so general it covers nearly all JIT compilers. Completely rediculous. Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (drahca) Comments One more arrow... http://www.osnews.com/thread?444312 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444312 Just one more arrow to add to these graphs:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/oct/04/microsoft-motorola...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pconigs/5055027363/ Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jtinz) Comments RE: Good news http://www.osnews.com/thread?444318 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444318 Lets hope they all realise they can sue the pants off each other and voluntarily petition Government to fix it up. Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (flanque) Comments Well, we all know how this will end http://www.osnews.com/thread?444321 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444321 Apple goes for the gold, and Nokia tells it to start digging. Microsoft comes in from the sideline, throwing Apple a shovel, pointing a gun at Motorola. Motorola claims that if he dies, the others will get nothing: he's pals with Google, the only one who knows where the treasure is buried. Oracle, who's been hiding under a bridge the whole time, throws a grenade in the direction of Google.

Nearby, a horse whispers 'neeeigh!.

Motorola shouts 'neeeigh', and points its gun at Apple. Nokia points its gun to everyone who's packing hardware. Kodak does the same, but is ignored.

They all agree to deal with it like gentlemen, stepping away from each other and holstering their guns. A long stand-off ensues, but finally Microsoft makes a move for its gun, then reconsiders after being strongly frowned upon by the EU. Nokia tries to shoot from his holster, but due to poor communication between his twitchy nerves, he ends up shooting himself in the foot.

In the chaos, Apple tries to take a quick shot at Motorola: click! Again: click! And again: click! click! click! click! Motorola quietly walks over: "There's two kinds of people, my friend. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig." Google points out the location of the treasure, Apple unearths it, and Motorola and Google walk away with as much as they can carry.

Nokia limps across the stage, not quite mortally wounded yet, and still with five rounds in his pistol.

Just as THE END is spelt out across the screen, you see Motorola and Google walking out to freedom -- they only have to cross this rickety bridge ... Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (No it isnt) Comments RE[2]: Good news http://www.osnews.com/thread?444327 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444327 http://www.bpmlegal.com/howtopat5.html

Everyone who thinks they can read patent claims should read the above. Its not easy. It takes more than five minutes, but basically you can't just cherry pick a claim out of a patent and think that anything that the claim covers (by itself without the other claims) is automatically infringing. Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE[2]: Comment by Calipso http://www.osnews.com/thread?444343 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444343 Not too sure why the LCD price fixing lawsuits are included, makes one company a whole lot more aggressive than they actually are - Nokia âlostâ plenty over the years when the screen producers were acting as a cartel.

Nice graphic though, much better than a few iâve seen around, which were just dots randomally positioned with lines between. Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Beta) Comments Bad News, Good News http://www.osnews.com/thread?444344 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444344 The Bad News:
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1. Millions of dollars that could be spent on developing products is being wasted on lawsuits.

2. New companies have very little chance of entering the market (unless they are already big in some other area).

3. Ours courts are tied up with frivolous lawsuits.

4. The world is laughing at the broken U.S. patent system.

5. A system designed to foster innovation is being used to crush innovation.

The Good News:
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Well, actually the good news is that patent Armageddon is actually upon us, and all the major players are losing - losing millions in litigation.

That, hopefully, signals the beginning of the end of our broken patent system, since all of this patent litigation is costing the major players too much money, and at the same time holding back their own product development. So now they have the incentive to stand back, call truce, and start collectively lobbying Congress to pass true patent reform.

Well, that's my sunshine, puppy dogs running through fields of wildflowers, hopeful, best case scenario.

The cynic in me says it's only going to get worse, because these yahoos running these companies are too blinded by their own egos and greed to see the light.

Sign Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JeffS) Comments RE[2]: Bad News, Good News http://www.osnews.com/thread?444365 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444365 Actually, the way it currently works is they all settle up with each other, cross-license their patents and ensure no one else can enter the game. It is similar to the Nuclear club. And, as with Nukes, the people lose. Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments Go!!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?444378 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444378 Go motorola go!!! go!!! Beat the axx of Apple and if possible Microsoft & Oracle too! Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TusharG) Comments RE[3]: Bad News, Good News http://www.osnews.com/thread?444393 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444393 Very likely.

But I'm also hoping that these guys are going start thinking that this is all a huge waste of their time and money. Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JeffS) Comments RE[3]: Bad News, Good News http://www.osnews.com/thread?444406 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444406

Actually, the way it currently works is they all settle up with each other, cross-license their patents and ensure no one else can enter the game. It is similar to the Nuclear club. And, as with Nukes, the people lose.

You infringe my IP !!! I made that nuke comparison just yesterday !

It's funny how much horrible concepts you can find quickly when thinking about patent abuse : terrorists, nukes, bacteriological weapon...

And dinosaurs ruling the earth and crushing young and smarter mammals, in absolute violation of a natural history which occurred under a climate of fair competition.Edited 2010-10-07 21:39 UTC Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Neolander) Comments RE: Safer? http://www.osnews.com/thread?444422 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444422

"I am slightly milder towards companies like Nokia and Motorola (compared to, say, Microsoft and Apple), because these two have genuinely helped develop and create the hardware backbone of mobile telephony, a true gift to the world that has made the lives of many people easier and safer..."

I don't know, all the idiots I see driving around with a cell phone held firmly to their head make me believe otherwise. As far as I'm concerned, they're as potentially dangerous as a drunk driver, and there are probably many times more of them than drunk drivers. At least drunk drivers often have a valid excuse: they were already f'ed up out of their minds and didn't know what the hell they were before they even got in the vehicle. Cell phone drivers? Not at all, they're just naturally plain stupid.

Here in Washington State it's a ticket and an open door for law enforcement to search your vehicle for being so stupid as not to use a bluetooth headset or other hands free device.

The fine is $124. Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE: Go!!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?444425 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444425

Go motorola go!!! go!!! Beat the axx of Apple and if possible Microsoft & Oracle too!

They'll lose and I suspect Motorola will then go on the chopping block as a buyout candidate. Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE[2]: Go!!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?444430 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444430 What makes you think they'll lose?

These are old, established, already licensed (to several other companies), patents that Motorola is suing over.

Both Nokia and Motorola are suing Apple over their long established patents which they have licensed to everyone else in the market, and they both long negotiated with Apple, and Apple refused to license what everyone else has had to license.

Knowing this, it's hard to see how Apple will stand a chance.

I don't know, maybe their strategy is to blatantly violate the patents, then in the ensuing lawsuits, try to stretch it out in court for as long as possible (Apple has very deep pockets), until they somehow get the patents invalidated, or just hope that Nokia and Motorola lose the wherewithal to continue.

But of course they could get reamed as well. It's a game of brinkmanship.Edited 2010-10-07 22:41 UTC Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JeffS) Comments RE[2]: Safer? http://www.osnews.com/thread?444459 http://www.osnews.com/thread?444459 I don't think hands free shouldn't get anyone out of trouble. They still have to reach for the phone, wherever they have it sitting, to begin or end a call. And getting too focused on a conversation, especially when trying extra hard just to hear the person on the other side of the line with an earpiece and road noises outside, can be downright dangerous. "Hands-free" is a little bit better than holding the phone (you have two hands while talking at least), but still not good enough. IMO, cell phones should just not be used in cars, especially by the driver, when the car is not in park. Any law against it, I won't argue: I'll never be seen driving with a phone in my hand. Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (UltraZelda64) Comments