- I'm tired of the crapware that carriers are shoving into OTA stock ROMs, and the OEMs who are putting custom 'trinkets' on top that I don't want. And to get a custom ROM with just vanilla Android and WITHOUT all the crap, you have to wait for your device to get rooted, and then wade through a bunch of half-finished custom ROMs, where random features (such as wifi and GPS) don't work. I know a lot of people get off on this kind of thing and that's fine, but it's just not how I'd like to spend my free time. (Of course, the quality of custom ROMs probably depends on which phone you have, which is a problem in itself.

As for the ideological 'Steve controls everything', that's what jailbreaking is for .

Of course, I'm not an Android hater and realize that it's infinitely more customizable, but rarely (if ever) do I use any of that stuff, such as the battery-draining widgets that most folks seem to be enthralled with. I've played with my dad's iPad and for the most part, I like the way it works out of the box, so there isn't much I'd want/need to change.

Inst there a little bit of irrational fanboyism here?

Dont you see an inconsistency in your statements? You are giving apple a pass on a stronghold they have on the device because you can root ios devices, but you are hard on android devices on the stronghold carries have when you can still root them too.

You most likely arent, but if you dont know, you are most likely high on what ever steve jobs dishes out and in his sales pitches you have an apologetic view of apple products and a critical view of their competitors and hence you will always have an opinion that apple products are always better.

He's saying "why should I have to root the device to be able to get functionality that it's already supposed to have according to Google's marketing?" - ie, Updates, as opposed to CHOOSING to root the device if you want to make it do things that aren't promised or supported by the OS's developer. There is a real and significant difference in there, just many choose to ignore it and lump them into the same boat, as you have.

If iPhone comes to Verizon, I would seriously consider jumping ship from Android, depending on what features they put into Honeycomb (Android 3.0).

The reasons for this are as follows:

- I'm tired of the crapware that carriers are shoving into OTA stock ROMs, and the OEMs who are putting custom 'trinkets' on top that I don't want. And to get a custom ROM with just vanilla Android and WITHOUT all the crap, you have to wait for your device to get rooted, and then wade through a bunch of half-finished custom ROMs, where random features (such as wifi and GPS) don't work. I know a lot of people get off on this kind of thing and that's fine, but it's just not how I'd like to spend my free time. (Of course, the quality of custom ROMs probably depends on which phone you have, which is a problem in itself...

With iOS, it comes vanilla, and then you jailbreak and add whatever you want on top of it; that's how I like to roll.

- Whereas Apple releases new OS updates for all their phones at the same time, you have to wait for weeks (or even months) on most Android phones, or else do the root/custom ROM thing, and have to put up with the same shite I mentioned above. Of course, you could always get a 'Google' phone to solve all these problems, and end up (in the US) on a carrier where you'd have to walk outside and stand in the middle of the street just to get a signal.

Of course, I'm not an Android hater and realize that it's infinitely more customizable, but rarely (if ever) do I use any of that stuff, such as the battery-draining widgets that most folks seem to be enthralled with. I've played with my dad's iPad and for the most part, I like the way it works out of the box, so there isn't much I'd want/need to change.

My Nexus One is unlocked which means I am able to take it to the carrier of my choice.

Is this attempting to say "Look! Android's better than iPhone 'cause it's outselling it!!!"? We all know the fallacy of that argument.

Is it saying "Apple's dooooooooooomed!!!!! Android's going to kill iOS and Apple's gonna shrivel and DIE SUCKERS!"? Surely nobody is that stupid?

Basically the day you can dock your phone on your desk and it has Screen, keyboard and mouse connected and you are just able to surf the internet. Is the day the big change to market is here. Also as soon as you pick up phone from dock everything you were working on could have been saved in the phone until the next time you dock.

iPhone is sold in half as many countries and only by one carrier per country (for the most part).

I'm tired of the crapware that carriers are shoving into OTA stock ROMs, and the OEMs who are putting custom 'trinkets' on top that I don't want. And to get a custom ROM with just vanilla Android and WITHOUT all the crap, you have to wait for your device to get rooted, and then wade through a bunch of half-finished custom ROMs, where random features (such as wifi and GPS) don't work. I know a lot of people get off on this kind of thing and that's fine, but it's just not how I'd like to spend my free time. (Of course, the quality of custom ROMs probably depends on which phone you have, which is a problem in itself.

- With the iPhone, you have access to many, many more accessories. I can't even find a f**king armband for my Android phone.

- iPhone is still the 'de facto' standard for phones, so if there's a cool new app/service coming out, it's probably going to be on iPhone first.

I think it would be easier/better to keep up with iPhone-related news/blogs, because they're only concerned with one or two phones, whereas Android blogs are always talking about the 300 different phones that'll be out in the next month, or updates/news about current phones that you don't own and have no interest in.

Of course, I'm not an Android hater and realize that it's infinitely more customizable, but rarely (if ever) do I use any of that stuff, such as the battery-draining widgets that most folks seem to be enthralled with. I've played with my dad's iPad and for the most part, I like the way it works out of the box, so there isn't much I'd want/need to change.

If iOS supported widgets then I'm sure just as many iPhone/iPad users would play about with the interface as Android users do with their phones.

50-60% Nokia

"50-60% Nokia

"My Nexus One is unlocked which means I am able to take it to the carrier of my choice.

It seems to me that Apple, while it is *Poisonous* to FOSS

"it will take more than Android devices outselling the iPhone for it to truly be in trouble."

I guess it is only human nature for people to argue that my smart phone is better than your smart phone. What people forget is that everyone is different and people like different things. Because someone likes something you don't doesn't make them an idiot. The iPhone defined what the smartphone could be. The fact that Jobs is such a visionary means the iPhone will most likely continue to define the smart phone and will not be "in trouble" as long as Jobs lives. But this does not mean it is the best phone for everyone. There is lots of room for innovation and features the iphone lacks. As long as Jobs can dictate design, the iPhone will always be a strong seller. But, because of the inherent limitations of Apple (discussed in detail here and everywhere), it is only reasonable that the iphone will be outsold by another platform (could be android or Microsoft... yes, even microsoft). But, what is the best smart phone? Well, that will be the one the person has bought and loves. Finally, it is my sincerest wish that people would stop flaming each other for what is an affront to their immense ego. Choice is choice even if you think the chooser is stupid. Granted. some are, but have a little compassion, eh? Not everyone can be as smart as you are.

it might not be soo good for my Mother or my aunt Mary

SO I like Android BUT not enough to make a bad name for myself as a developer even accidentally