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OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/24202/VirtualBSD_8_1_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:24:53 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?455924 http://www.osnews.com/thread?455924 Doesn't look bad. BSD is lagging so much on the desktop.
How's the freebsd+flash situation? Still sad?.. Wed, 05 Jan 2011 02:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (NuxRo) Comments RE: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?455928 http://www.osnews.com/thread?455928

How's the freebsd+flash situation? Still sad?..

How can anything related to flash not be sad?! Wed, 05 Jan 2011 02:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (reez) Comments RE[2]: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?455937 http://www.osnews.com/thread?455937 That's why there is HTML5. Anything related to flash like proprietary software for Internet is harmful to everyone. Wed, 05 Jan 2011 05:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (littlegeek) Comments RE: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?455951 http://www.osnews.com/thread?455951 It takes about that to have working Flash under Firefox/Midori:

/etc/rc.conf
linux_enable="YES"

# pkg_add -r linux_base-f10
# pkg_add -r linux-f10-nspr
# pkg_add -r linux-f10-sqlite3
# pkg_add -r linux-f10-curl
# pkg_add -r linux-f10-libssh2
# pkg_add -r linux-f10-nss
# pkg_add -r nspluginwrapper
# pkg_add -r firefox35
# pkg_add -r midori

# cd /usr/ports/www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 && make install clean

% nspluginwrapper -v -i $( find / -name libflashplayer.so )

If You want to have working Flash in Opera, then You additionaly need to install this port:

# pkg_add -r opera-linuxplugins Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vermaden) Comments RE: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?455957 http://www.osnews.com/thread?455957

Doesn't look bad. BSD is lagging so much on the desktop.

Not really, unless you haven't been looking for a long time! ;-)

The applications available are largely the same compared to Linux and, what's not available natively, can usually be run via emulation (like the Flash plugin, for instance). Or you were referring to Windows and OS X?

How's the freebsd+flash situation? Still sad?..

Someome wrote: "One of my definitions of desktop ready is whether I can see YouTube videos out-of-the-box" and the screenshots clearly shows YouTube running, so I should say no, not sad at all.

Reece Tarbert Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (karunko) Comments RE: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?455959 http://www.osnews.com/thread?455959

It takes about that to have working Flash under Firefox/Midori:

Exactly, but there's no need for that when running VirtualBSD as we wanted to provide a desktop ready FreeBSD right out of the box.

Reece Tarbert Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (karunko) Comments RE[3]: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?455970 http://www.osnews.com/thread?455970 That's why there is HTML5. Anything related to flash like proprietary software for Internet is harmful to everyone.

Too bad that HTML 5 is a future technology and everything, anyone would want to view, on the web is encapsulated with flash most of the time. So flash support is important today and handwaving with HTML 5 doesn't cut it. Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (r_a_trip) Comments Comment by Laurence http://www.osnews.com/thread?455972 http://www.osnews.com/thread?455972 Well I'm sold.

I will give this a play tonight. Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments RE[2]: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?455974 http://www.osnews.com/thread?455974 Do you have any plans for adding a VBox image alongside VMWare? Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments RE[3]: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?455975 http://www.osnews.com/thread?455975

Do you have any plans for adding a VBox image alongside VMWare?

Last time we checked (i.e., early 2009 with VirtualBox 2.x and VirtualBSD 7.1) it more or less worked, but no OS additions (the counterpart of VMware tools) were available for FreeBSD, which meant:

- no real full screen mode
- no drag'n'drop between host and guest
- no cut&paste between host and guest
- clicking inside the window "grabbed" the mouse

As far as I know the same problems are still there, but we haven't checked with the latest VirtualBox yet, so there's a chance that the situation has improved in the meantime.

That said, creating/distributing/maintaining an additional image is probably a bit too much for a tiny team like ours, and the best we could do is post some instructions about the customizations to be made.

ReeceEdited 2011-01-05 13:04 UTC Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (karunko) Comments RE[4]: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?455982 http://www.osnews.com/thread?455982 It would seem there are guest additions available for FreeBSD: http://wiki.freebsd.org/VirtualBox (scroll to 'Guest Additions for FreeBSD guests').

IIRC VBox also supports images from other virtulisation solutions such as VMWare - so, unless I'm wrong, you could create your generic VMWare image and then, before adding VMWares's additions, make a copy of that image and then install VMware's additions on one copy and VBox's guest additions on the other.

In fact, if you have an image of VBSD w/o VMWare additions installed, I'm happy to have a quick play to test this theory for you

Edited 2011-01-05 13:33 UTC Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments RE[5]: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?456005 http://www.osnews.com/thread?456005 Or, the end-user could just load the VMWare image, and install the VBox additions manually. It's not like it's an impossible, or even hard, task.

Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (phoenix) Comments RE[6]: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?456037 http://www.osnews.com/thread?456037

Or, the end-user could just load the VMWare image, and install the VBox additions manually. It's not like it's an impossible, or even hard, task.

But that would defeat the whole point of "working out of the box" which is the central aim of VirtualBSD and a point quoted even within this very thread by one of the guys behind this release.

I wouldn't have even raised this question otherwise, so please do keep up :pEdited 2011-01-05 22:34 UTC Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments RE: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?456048 http://www.osnews.com/thread?456048

Doesn't look bad. BSD is lagging so much on the desktop.

I can't confirm that - using it exclusively on my home desktop since version 4.0, and 've been doing all the "fancy stuff" for years, never missed a thing. What have I been doing wrong? :-)

VirtualBSD really looks interesting. I wish there would be a fully functional german version of it to share. I also like the intended look & feel that makes me think it would maybe resemble a certain OS from Cupertino. Xfce is relatively lightweight, but brings all the bells, whistles, dancing bunnies and bling that "average" desktop users are traditionally expecting.

The idea of releasing a VMware image is good - especially for "just want to try it" users, I wish they would also release an installable version of it (doesn't even need an installer, just the image, and let the user do the last tweaks in relation to X) - for the real fun.

I'm interested in how far the "out of the box" experience includes the ability to play various media formats. The idiotic codec trouble - you know - often makes things complicated in terms of providing the full set of codecs and player software, because it's illegal to play MP3s in the US. :-) Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Doc Pain) Comments RE[6]: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?456101 http://www.osnews.com/thread?456101

Or, the end-user could just load the VMWare image, and install the VBox additions manually. It's not like it's an impossible, or even hard, task.

It's a bit more complicated than that:

1) You can't double click on an icon but need to create a new virtual machine and select the hard disk from the archive -- and be sure to select the first chunk.

2) Network would work right away, but not sound (changing one line in /boot/loader.conf according to the remarks would fix the problem).

3) open-vm-tools should be removed to avoid conflicts and error messages.

4) virtualbox-ose-additions should be installed and possibly virtualbox-ose-kmod too.

5) /etc/X11/xorg.conf should be modified.

6) Possibly a couple of other minor things too, but... you get the idea! ;-)

We could look into this sometime next week and, assuming the results are good enough, maybe provide a script that takes care of all of the above (minus creating a new virtual machine, of course). Thu, 06 Jan 2011 02:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (karunko) Comments RE[2]: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?456102 http://www.osnews.com/thread?456102

VirtualBSD really looks interesting. I wish there would be a fully functional german version of it to share.

You can select you preferred language from the login screen (look at the bottom after selecting the user, click on Other... and pick your language). Not all sofware has been localized, though.

The idea of releasing a VMware image is good - especially for "just want to try it" users, I wish they would also release an installable version

That would be nice but also quite a lot of work with drivers and stuff -- not too mention that both PC-BSD and DesktopBSD are available and quite good. As you said, VirtualBSD is really meant to give you a taste of FreeBSD.

I'm interested in how far the "out of the box" experience includes the ability to play various media formats.

VLC is part of the installation, so... ;-)

Reece Thu, 06 Jan 2011 02:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (karunko) Comments RE[2]: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?456163 http://www.osnews.com/thread?456163 Throw in an modern AMD GPU (HD5xxx and up) or install FreeBSD on an intel Ironlake machine and you'll see exactly how BSD is lagging.

Adam Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (adamk) Comments RE[7]: Comment by NuxRo http://www.osnews.com/thread?456164 http://www.osnews.com/thread?456164 Excellent. Please do keep us updated on how the testing goes (positive or negative). Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments