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OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/24413/Man_Decides_to_Open_Source_His_Genetic_Data_Using_GitHub Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:51:09 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462522 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462522 I would have thought, as it is illegal to patent DNA, you couldn't "open source" it either. You could publish it, but you couldn't attach a license to the DNA - open or otherwise. Or is this guy specifically "open sourcing" the publication rather than the DNA itself?

Is anyone any wiser about this? Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments Does not compile http://www.osnews.com/thread?462527 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462527 It does not compile on my machine. Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (YEPHENAS) Comments Version control? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462532 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462532 Why? Does he intend folk to submit patches & make changes? Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (EvaTheDog) Comments RE: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462536 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462536 Whether it's illegal to patent DNA or not, shouldn't anything to say in regard of license or open source.
It's not patent law, it's copyright law, and seeing as it's a persons own DNA sequence I would say that he has copyright on that data and therefore can release it through a license or just drop it as public domain (as he has, if I understand geek.com correctly). Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (olefiver) Comments RE: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462538 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462538

He has released all his rights to the data and made around 1 million of his genetic markers public domain.

I guess it's just journalism getting lost in phrases. The article doesn't mention a license anywhere, but does mention that he made the data public domain.

Another problem with the phrase "open source" here, is that DNA is not regarded as a kind of source code... at least not yet. Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bogomipz) Comments RE[2]: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462539 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462539 No! It's his parents that hold the copyright on his DNA. They've just licensed it to him for the duration of one lifetime. He is allowed to distribute modified copies, though. That's usually done through a patch mechanism which is very good at merging two completely different DNA sequences. I think it uses a form of sexps [1], but I'm not sure.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexps Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bogomipz) Comments RE: Version control? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462540 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462540 Yes, see here for a serious example: https://github.com/cariaso/dna

and here for a funny one: https://github.com/msporny/dna/pull/1Edited 2011-02-15 11:29 UTC Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nibor) Comments Not suitable topic for OS News -- or is it? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462547 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462547 I was about to joke that is not a suitable topic for OS News. But then thinking about it perhaps it is -- instructions to build the most advanced OS on the planet -- the human brain. Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Louis B) Comments RE: Not suitable topic for OS News -- or is it? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462549 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462549 More or less what I thought when linking this

This is the Assembly source of a human being and its operating system, you nonbeliever !Edited 2011-02-15 12:52 UTC Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Neolander) Comments RE: Version control? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462555 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462555 Should anybody submitting patches being called eugenetist ? Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bitwelder) Comments Comment by OSbunny http://www.osnews.com/thread?462583 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462583 He does have a serious reason for releasing this data. He wants to encourage the development of "good Open Source software for genomics research". Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (OSbunny) Comments RE[2]: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462585 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462585

Whether it's illegal to patent DNA or not, shouldn't anything to say in regard of license or open source.
It's not patent law, it's copyright law, and seeing as it's a persons own DNA sequence I would say that he has copyright on that data and therefore can release it through a license or just drop it as public domain (as he has, if I understand geek.com correctly).

If that's the case, then if he has living parents, wouldn't they actually be the copyright holders?

Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (demetrioussharpe) Comments RE[3]: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462587 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462587

No! It's his parents that hold the copyright on his DNA. They've just licensed it to him for the duration of one lifetime. He is allowed to distribute modified copies, though. That's usually done through a patch mechanism which is very good at merging two completely different DNA sequences. I think it uses a form of sexps [1], but I'm not sure.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexps

LOL I guess you beat me to it!

Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (demetrioussharpe) Comments RE: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462594 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462594 It's not. Some company's already have patents on Animal DNA. It's even been said some Human Genetic material has been patented. Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sodapop) Comments RE[3]: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462613 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462613 Thanks for clearing that up.

Wouldn't that mean that the guy is setting himself up for a lawsuit from his parents on violation of copyright?
Assuming that the released DNA isn't modified, that is.Edited 2011-02-15 18:43 UTC Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (olefiver) Comments Viruses ! http://www.osnews.com/thread?462616 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462616 . Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (oinet) Comments RE: Comment by OSbunny http://www.osnews.com/thread?462626 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462626 Seems to me that releasing your genetic data to the public is opening yourself up for a future grief. All of us have genes, or combinations, which may or may not increase our susceptibility to various horrible ends. And the pool of things which we *don't* know for sure about genetic risk is far larger than the pool of things which we *are* sure about. Which doesn't dissuade the armchair experts from chipping in "what they know". There are plenty of people out there with just enough knowledge to point you to "evidence" that a few of your gene sequences make you an Alzheimer's candidate.

Of course, each claim is just one small study. Or perhaps they just "heard it from a credible source".

You know that it doesn't mean a thing. But still, you can't help but wonder. No. This is silly!

But then, before you know it, you're in your 40s. (Like me.) And it seems to you that you are forgetting things more often. You're really not, of course. But there's a lot more to have forgotten now. All the way back to your first pet... which seems like only yesterday... but how long was his tail? Was it bobbed? Or not? Am I confusing Dannyboy with Hattie? And where did I put my reading glasses, anyway? (Can't believe I need those, already!)

And still... you remember those emails from long ago about those questionable genes. Could it be? No. That's just silly. Right?

And then you get to be in your 50s, and...

You get the picture.

I've not had my genome taken. And I don't intend to. For the same reason, I've never done tatoos. You just don't know how its going to turn out 10 to 30 years from now.

Sometimes, ignorance allows for a higher quality life, even if the data *might* (or might not) have had a chance of extending the duration.

I guess I take a proactive approach to "fear spam".

-Steve Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sbergman27) Comments RE[2]: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462643 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462643 Funny thing: In Germany and Austria there is no "copyright" as such, but "Urheberrecht" (=authors right). Who would be the author of ones DNA? Your parents (50% each parent, aside from minor mutations)? But their DNA would then be fully copyrighted by their parents (apply recursively). This is a license mess! Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (panzi) Comments RE[3]: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462656 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462656

Funny thing: In Germany and Austria there is no "copyright" as such, but "Urheberrecht" (=authors right). Who would be the author of ones DNA?

I might be wrong, but AFAIK that's not really true. It might me an other term, but it still regulates copies (among other things).

The question about authorship is still valid, bit I think it might be handled similar to pictures (if you are the person pictured you have a number of rights), because it also pictures you in a certain way.Edited 2011-02-15 23:48 UTC Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (reez) Comments Dear Mr. Many http://www.osnews.com/thread?462669 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462669 Dear Mr. Many
We have evaluated your code and found 24 critical bugs.
The bugfixes or (cure you might say) is unfortunately not published under general GPL and will be available at your nearest pharmacy in about 30 years after it passed the FDA and general ethics lobby regarding genetic manipulation

Sorry for the inconvenience. We suggest you cut out all dairy and gluten products for the time being.
;-) Wed, 16 Feb 2011 01:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fran) Comments RE[2]: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462721 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462721

It's not. Some company's already have patents on Animal DNA. It's even been said some Human Genetic material has been patented.

You can't patent DNA. You can only patent the process to identify or modify DNA parts.
Often that is the only way to identify or modify and thus an indirect patent on DNA is created. However you cannot directly patent DNA. Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments RE[3]: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462736 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462736 DNA patenting lies in a legally gray zone that is still to be sorted out by legislators and benchlaws.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/03/30/is-the-dna-patent-dead/ Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fran) Comments RE[3]: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462737 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462737 in the US, you can patent isolated DNA. Or could. A federal judge has ruled against the practice, which will of course be appealed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_patent Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MamiyaOtaru) Comments oblig: git clone? http://www.osnews.com/thread?462745 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462745 Or, rather:

$ git clone
$ git-merge
$ git-buildpackage

?

Sex is for the birds... Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shawnlower) Comments RE[2]: Comment by OSbunny http://www.osnews.com/thread?462757 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462757 Starting to post on osnews again is a sure sign of senility, my good man. Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Soulbender) Comments Fork it. http://www.osnews.com/thread?462884 http://www.osnews.com/thread?462884 I read it and didn't like it at all.

I'm planning to fork it.

Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lighans) Comments RE[4]: "Open source"??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?463133 http://www.osnews.com/thread?463133 Maybe this is just the case in the UK.

Someone I commute with (or used to until recently) worked in this field (identifying genes rather than patent laws) and we would have long discussions about this very subject. Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments