OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/24547/Ubuntu_Linux_Aims_to_Give_Back_with_Debian_Dex Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Thu, 23 May 2013 11:57:04 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Interesting http://www.osnews.com/thread?467015 http://www.osnews.com/thread?467015 this could go 3 ways, either work out really well, have no effect, or turn Debian into an Ubuntu clone.

I hope it's one of the first two. Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BluenoseJake) Comments RE: Interesting http://www.osnews.com/thread?467033 http://www.osnews.com/thread?467033 At worst Debian will get some patches then the fights will start.

At best Ubuntu will use more unmodified Debian packages which will hopefully make both distro's better.

With the derivatives desk and DEX teams it's at least a step in the right direction. Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (stabbyjones) Comments Anything would be an improvement http://www.osnews.com/thread?467037 http://www.osnews.com/thread?467037 Considering how slowly patches and bug fixes make their way both upstream and downstream between Debian and ubuntu, I'd have to say anything wold be an improvement. Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jessesmith) Comments RE: Interesting http://www.osnews.com/thread?467062 http://www.osnews.com/thread?467062 I don't see Debian ever becoming an Ubuntu clone. This DEX sounded good when I started reading, but by the time I was finished I came to the conclusion that this will not change anything at all. Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (marblesbot) Comments RE[2]: Interesting http://www.osnews.com/thread?467087 http://www.osnews.com/thread?467087
..."DEX is all about action: merging patches, fixing bugs, crunching data, whatever is necessary to get changes from derivatives into Debian proper," Ubuntu CTO Matt Zimmerman wrote...

Hmmm... something tells me that the worst option is likely to happen. Unfortunately. Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bitwelder) Comments RE[3]: Interesting http://www.osnews.com/thread?467115 http://www.osnews.com/thread?467115
"..."DEX is all about action: merging patches, fixing bugs, crunching data, whatever is necessary to get changes from derivatives into Debian proper," Ubuntu CTO Matt Zimmerman wrote...

Hmmm... something tells me that the worst option is likely to happen. Unfortunately. "
what he says is irrelevant. When it comes to what Debian becomes, it's what Debian says that matters. If they don't want it to turn into Ubuntu, it won't Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MamiyaOtaru) Comments Ego http://www.osnews.com/thread?467153 http://www.osnews.com/thread?467153 I suspect the dev egos from both camps will cause DEX to fail in record time. Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (danbuter) Comments RE[4]: Interesting http://www.osnews.com/thread?467326 http://www.osnews.com/thread?467326 With the worse happening I did not mean that Ubuntu will succeed in getting their way with having patches accepted, but just that a bitchfight will follow, as Debian developers won't (rightfully!) accept what is not good for Debian. Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bitwelder) Comments RE[5]: Interesting http://www.osnews.com/thread?467357 http://www.osnews.com/thread?467357 Ah I see your meaning. I thought you were talking about the worst alternative from BluenoseJake's post instead of from Stabbyjone's post. Misread the thread, sorry Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MamiyaOtaru) Comments RE[5]: Interesting http://www.osnews.com/thread?467441 http://www.osnews.com/thread?467441
With the worse happening I did not mean that Ubuntu will succeed in getting their way with having patches accepted, but just that a bitchfight will follow, as Debian developers won't (rightfully!) accept what is not good for Debian.

And this is different from when, actually? Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gfolkert) Comments RE[2]: Interesting http://www.osnews.com/thread?467442 http://www.osnews.com/thread?467442 Its really no worse than getting "upstream" to accept Debian's Way of thinking and policy from the DFSG.

I think Debian will carry on, with or without DEX/Ubuntu and take the pieces it sees that are beneficial to Debian. *JUST* like the way it is now.

The only thing I can really see this doing is getting the hollering out of the way more quickly. Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gfolkert) Comments RE: Ego http://www.osnews.com/thread?467443 http://www.osnews.com/thread?467443 I think the hollering will be deafening. It'll make the fights happen in record time. Whether or not it'll be a success or failure, will be either a full-on failure in record time or it'll take many years to fully realize its possibility.

My biggest concern is Shuttleworth and his time-line for things to be a success... and pulling out of DEX before anything really could be known. Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gfolkert) Comments