OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/24621/Thunderbird_Returns_to_Mozilla_as_Labs_Project Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:20:46 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com I hate to do it, but ... http://www.osnews.com/thread?469710 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469710 I don't like when people point out typos in articles like they're the grammar police, but you have a glaring typo in the title of this article ;) Edited 2011-04-09 00:44 UTC Sat, 09 Apr 2011 00:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WorknMan) Comments Comment by Brynet http://www.osnews.com/thread?469712 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469712 http://www.mutt.org/ Sat, 09 Apr 2011 03:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Brynet) Comments RE: I hate to do it, but ... http://www.osnews.com/thread?469718 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469718 What's sad is I've glanced through the article title a couple times on the main page and didn't notice it until reading your post. It's a glaring mistake... yet one that's at the same time pretty well hidden. Normally I have a good eye for seeing spelling errors. Sat, 09 Apr 2011 06:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (UltraZelda64) Comments RE: I hate to do it, but ... http://www.osnews.com/thread?469721 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469721 Mmm... do you mean it would be "returns to Mozilla as a Labs project" instead of "returns to Mozilla as Labs project"? :-) Sat, 09 Apr 2011 07:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Nth_Man) Comments Tunderbird? http://www.osnews.com/thread?469722 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469722 Tunderbird sounds like an Irish e-mail client. Sat, 09 Apr 2011 08:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (3rdalbum) Comments RE: Tunderbird? http://www.osnews.com/thread?469725 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469725 ..nah that'd be Tunderturd! ..i'm irish i'm allowed.
(i'm also tirtytree n a turd! :-P ) Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mistersoft) Comments Not a Labs project http://www.osnews.com/thread?469726 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469726 The MoMo team is joining Labs, but Thunderbird isn't becoming a Labs project. It'll still be a separate product, done by its existing team. But they also work on a bunch of Labs-like projects (F1, for instance), and have been collaborating with Labs for awhile - so they'll now do that as part of Labs.

(Disclaimer: I'm a Mozilla employee, although not part of MoMo or Labs.) Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TheUnfocusedOne) Comments Comment by Luminair http://www.osnews.com/thread?469736 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469736 I cringed when this horrible idea became reality. I saw Mozilla get the new money-hungry leadership, and I watched them scheme to duplicate the once-in-a-lifetime success of Firefox.

And I'm lucky enough to be alive see it fall apart. Rest in pieces, Mozilla Messaging. May you be documented and studied in textbooks as a business spinoff failure.

More likely though it will go down in history as NEVER EXISTED'D Sat, 09 Apr 2011 14:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Luminair) Comments RE: Comment by Luminair http://www.osnews.com/thread?469738 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469738 There's another version of the story:
Mozilla needed money for its free projects, Google was giving them money, Google wanted a browser but not an email client (since Google was bringing Gmail), Mozilla kept on developing Firefox but not Thunderbird, Thunderbird was developed since then from Momo. Nowadays Mozilla can get Thunderbird back, since Google brought Chrome and Google mainly helps developing Chrome, not Firefox.

I'm not saying that this is the truth, I don't know what Google and Mozilla have talked in their meetings. I'm just saying that this another version of what happened.Edited 2011-04-09 15:59 UTC Sat, 09 Apr 2011 15:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Nth_Man) Comments RE[2]: Comment by Luminair http://www.osnews.com/thread?469745 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469745 Yeah its all about the money. They want to wean themselves off Google. But the way they are going about it is not very open web friendly. Instead of relying on google alone for their funding they are branching out to all of the big social networking sites like twitter and facebook. Now you can get your social networking site integrated into both Thunderbird and the rumoured Firefox web browser 5.0 if you are willing to pay well enough. What does this mean for user privacy or choice? I guess it all goes to hell in a hand basket now.Edited 2011-04-09 17:46 UTC Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (OSbunny) Comments RE: Not a Labs project http://www.osnews.com/thread?469746 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469746 For all these who don't understand what MoMo is: Mozilla Messaging (strangest abbreviation ever !?) Sat, 09 Apr 2011 18:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lennie) Comments RE[3]: Comment by Luminair http://www.osnews.com/thread?469747 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469747
What does this mean for user privacy or choice? I guess it all goes to hell in a hand basket now.

Yeah, you will probably be better of with proprietary products or a company that sells advertising. I'd hate to put my confidence in an open source non profit organization that tries to do things in the open. Sat, 09 Apr 2011 18:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Fergy) Comments RE[2]: I hate to do it, but ... http://www.osnews.com/thread?469752 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469752 thanks to you guys for pointing out the mistakes. It was just a quick one, done in haste and my first. :-) Sat, 09 Apr 2011 21:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (imtiaz) Comments Why as a Labs project ?? !!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?469753 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469753 Mozilla Thunderbird is a matured product. But why integrate it back as a labs project.
It deserves more than labs status which sounds like still in experiment.

I am happy that Mozilla re-integrated it back. Mozilla Messaging as separate entity was getting lost somewhat. But the product is a superb one. Sat, 09 Apr 2011 21:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (imtiaz) Comments RE[2]: Comment by Luminair http://www.osnews.com/thread?469756 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469756 that is exactly what happened, as told by a disabled person Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Luminair) Comments RE: I hate to do it, but ... http://www.osnews.com/thread?469757 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469757 at least they corrected it Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fran) Comments RE: Why as a Labs project ?? !!! http://www.osnews.com/thread?469765 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469765 Thunderbird is NOT becoming a Labs project. The title/implication of this post is incorrect.

See this comment by a Mozilla employee: http://www.osnews.com/permalink?469726

The Messaging team is merging into the Labs team, but Thunderbird is not becoming a Labs project. Sun, 10 Apr 2011 08:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (caspy7) Comments Seamonkey http://www.osnews.com/thread?469784 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469784 Seamonkey remains an extraordinary alternative. Which unfortunately did not get the attention of web sites that write about free software. Since I discovered SeaMonkey, I have an excellent browser fast enough but in addition several development tools and an integrated email manager. What do you want more!

Go to Seamonkey and you will not be over I assure you ...
Firefox has become very heavy and sometimes lack of stability.

My OS on which is installed Seamonkey: PC-BSD 8.2 - Sabayon 5.5 gnome - MintDebian that I use on my Laptop and my Desktop Netbook Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Geekboula) Comments RE: Seamonkey http://www.osnews.com/thread?469785 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469785 Isn't Seamonkey all glued together Mozilla products? Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pepa) Comments RE[2]: Seamonkey http://www.osnews.com/thread?469786 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469786 Yes indeed, Seamonkey is an open source project that does not tip in the mad rush of the fastest browser, the most beautiful, most of this, most of it and and and. ..

If a user searches for a set of tools very stable and easy to configure and use.

The choice is simple. That's Seamonkey Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Geekboula) Comments RE[3]: Seamonkey http://www.osnews.com/thread?469789 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469789 Firefox has become very heavy and sometimes lack of stability.
What I meant was, isn't Seamonkey even heavier than just Firefox? Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pepa) Comments RE[4]: Seamonkey http://www.osnews.com/thread?469801 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469801 Seamonkey was Mozilla, it predate FF, it include features that have been dropped long ago like the WYSIWYG editor. Its big, but well, everybody have their taste. I used it prior to FF, it worked. Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Elv13) Comments RE[5]: Seamonkey http://www.osnews.com/thread?469817 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469817 Doesn't Seamonkey closely track Firefox and Thunderbird etc.?? I just can't see how [OP] Firefox is too heavy and lacks stability, while Seamonkey is way heavier, and keeps fairly close to Firefox anyway... Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pepa) Comments RE[4]: Seamonkey http://www.osnews.com/thread?469821 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469821
Firefox has become very heavy and sometimes lack of stability.
What I meant was, isn't Seamonkey even heavier than just Firefox?


Yes, but Seamonkey is lighter than Firefox + Thunderbird.

HOWEVER,

Seamonkey really isn't a viable product for many people unless you are nostalgic for the old Mozilla. While it contains the same Gecko engine as Firefox (updated over the years), the releases often come much later than the equivalent Firefox release. Additionally, many FF/Thunderbird extensions simply don't work on the suite, and those that were geared for the suite have long ago stopped development (Multizilla). The WYSIWYG HTML editor is absolutely useless anymore, and still has bugs left over from 1998 (but cannot be removed because Seamonkey Mail depends heavily on it for HTML composition). There was a time as recently as 4-5 years ago where running the suite made much more sense than FFx+Tbird combination, but the divergence between the two options has been significant since then and Seamonkey has been on the losing end. Sometimes there are really superior products that get left behind by the larger market and stagnate because the community of dedicated users is too small to maintain the codebase...Solaris (now Illumos), KDE3.5 (now called Trinity Desktop) and Mozilla Suite (now called Seamonkey Project) fall into that category. Sad, but time to move on. Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (joekiser) Comments Seamonkey http://www.osnews.com/thread?469880 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469880 I love seamonkey too. The interface is just friendly. It has the Firefox Engine which is proven, but I don't get the play on back/forward buttons, chrome-style interface as FF4... it ha an interface which doesn't get in your way, with menus and buttons in place where they should. And they do not change with each release.

The mail option is even better, I much prefer it to Thunderbird!

And, one has to try, Seamonkey remains quick and usable and is not heavier than Firefox. Perhaps because it has less bells&whistles.
It surely is easier than both FF+TB! Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (greygandalf) Comments RE: Seamonkey http://www.osnews.com/thread?469923 http://www.osnews.com/thread?469923
The mail option is even better, I much prefer it to Thunderbird!


What do you find preferable about the mail client?

Not trying to be confrontational, I'm genuinely curious - I've used TB for a few years now, but I've become increasingly fed up with it recently (mainly because of stuff like this, a problem that's been present since at least 2007: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=575814&s... ). Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (StephenBeDoper) Comments