OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/24773/Fedora_15_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 22 May 2013 08:02:10 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Hesitant to upgrade http://www.osnews.com/thread?474347 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474347 For the life of me... I can't get used to GNOME Shell. Tue, 24 May 2011 16:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Jason Bourne) Comments RE: Hesitant to upgrade http://www.osnews.com/thread?474357 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474357 Perhaps one of these extensions will help you:

http://www.webupd8.org/search/label/gnome%20shell?max-results=1... Tue, 24 May 2011 17:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (YEPHENAS) Comments Comment by Jason Bourne http://www.osnews.com/thread?474362 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474362 Thanks, I will look at it. Tue, 24 May 2011 18:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Jason Bourne) Comments RE: Hesitant to upgrade http://www.osnews.com/thread?474383 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474383 I'm having the opposite problem. I've gotten used to the new virtual desktop handling and feel like I'm tripping over my feet when I go back to other environments. Keep tying to hit the upper left corner in Windows >_ Tue, 24 May 2011 19:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (orestes) Comments POWER http://www.osnews.com/thread?474387 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474387 > Improved Power Management

Yeay right ... especially with 'Power Regression' in the recent Linux kernels:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_kernel... Edited 2011-05-24 20:24 UTC Tue, 24 May 2011 20:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vermaden) Comments RE: Hesitant to upgrade http://www.osnews.com/thread?474392 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474392 I am the opposite. After trying it out on a SuSe live CD, I think it is a great departure for GNOME.

I for one I looking forward to use it as my new desktop. Tue, 24 May 2011 20:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (moondevil) Comments RE[2]: Hesitant to upgrade http://www.osnews.com/thread?474398 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474398 and here's more. found this while searching for information how to make extensions

http://blog.fpmurphy.com/ Tue, 24 May 2011 20:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (somebody) Comments RE: POWER http://www.osnews.com/thread?474399 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474399 The phroronix articles were reviewing changes in power consumption in Ubuntu. It does not necessarily follow that the same can be said of Fedora, even if the root cause was in the kernel. Fedora doesn't ship a vanilla kernel, but includes several patches to it. If they were aware of the issue and had the time and motivation, they very well could have fixed it prior to the release of fedora 15.

I'm not saying it isn't a problem, but I don't think based on those articles you can say that it defiantly is a problem. Tue, 24 May 2011 20:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE: POWER http://www.osnews.com/thread?474402 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474402 it pays off to read whole context

"PowerTOP is a tool for finding the software component that makes the system consume more power than necessary when the system in idle.

Fedora 15 includes PowerTOP 2.x which is a complete rewrite of PowerTOP 1.x. PowerTOP 2.x has been developed to give more accurate data and better power estimation."

they haven't improved power management, they improved power management tools Tue, 24 May 2011 20:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (somebody) Comments Well http://www.osnews.com/thread?474407 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474407 Well, not that I could strive more to get used to this, but my wife already complained about the missing icons on desktop. It took me a century to make her used to GNOME2 over XP. At least the fallback mode could be themeable!

Using the Live CD F15 Desktop, it crashed on me when I went to system settings and choose different system language and keyboard (and had to ALT+F2 and kill Xorg). Then I got more few crashes involving gvfs... Is it just me? Tue, 24 May 2011 21:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Jason Bourne) Comments An amazing move forward for the Linux desktop... http://www.osnews.com/thread?474412 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474412 I've been using F15 since the beta was first released and it is great. Gnome 3 finally gives Linux a modern, forward-thinking desktop.

This is the most enjoyable version of any distro I've ever used. Tue, 24 May 2011 21:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jtfolden) Comments Original announcement http://www.osnews.com/thread?474417 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474417 I recommend everyone read the original announcement which covers a lot more features in more detail than the article which osnews has linked

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2011-May/002964.h...

I don't quite understand how some other distro releases have alpha versions that get featured in the main page but a general release of Fedora that includes a lot of new features doesn't deserve that. Tue, 24 May 2011 21:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Rahul) Comments OK http://www.osnews.com/thread?474434 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474434 Been playing with GNOME 3 and now I am starting to get it. It takes a bit of effort to break the panels paradigm and once you do it, you feel free from the Windows 95 panels and start menu paradigm, which most of UI's have tried to emulate so far. I think this is a step in the right direction. I am glad I switched to Fedora over Ubuntu, since F14. Tue, 24 May 2011 23:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Jason Bourne) Comments Rupee Symbol? http://www.osnews.com/thread?474461 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474461 Rupee Symbol? OMG... Feels like something that should have been available from 1982...
In any case, well done Fedora! Wed, 25 May 2011 04:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (stereotype) Comments RE: Rupee Symbol? http://www.osnews.com/thread?474464 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474464 You seem to be unaware of the history here. Rupee symbol was only very recently standardized by Unicode. There are very few if any mainstream operating systems that support it now but Fedora does. Wed, 25 May 2011 04:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Rahul) Comments RE[2]: Hesitant to upgrade http://www.osnews.com/thread?474471 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474471
I'm having the opposite problem. I've gotten used to the new virtual desktop handling and feel like I'm tripping over my feet when I go back to other environments. Keep tying to hit the upper left corner in Windows

If you do find you can't get used to it though and you want to stick with Fedora it may be worth your time to check out the XFCE spin. It's reasonably easy to get a setup close to what the old GNOME used and it's pretty lightweight to boot

http://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/#home


It might be prudent to mention also that Fedora has a fairly decent KDE spin.

http://zrchrn.blogspot.com/2011/05/fedora-15.html
http://spins.fedoraproject.org/kde/
http://spins.fedoraproject.org/kde/#about

The only problem might be that Fedora 15 KDE spin ships KOffice, which is not the best office suite by a long way. It is a pity that the new Calligra Suite version 2.4 won't be available until about October:

http://www.calligra-suite.org/news/calligra-announces-first-snapsho...
http://www.calligra-suite.org/news/calligra-2-4-snapshot-1-tour/

It is still in beta. The project is soliciting the help of users to polish the UI, which still needs work.

Until that has been done, and possibly even after that release, if you wanted to make the KDE spin of Fedora 15 actually useful, you would probably install LibreOffice.Edited 2011-05-25 05:51 UTC Wed, 25 May 2011 05:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemur2) Comments RE[3]: Hesitant to upgrade http://www.osnews.com/thread?474561 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474561 The KDE Spin mentality keeps sinning on that same spot: Only KDE-apps as default. If Fedora KDE spin ever considered to forget about KOffice, Konqueror and KWhatever as main apps and started to ship LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP, things would be so different! But I believe someone at KDE will have seriously hurt feelings if done in that way... Wed, 25 May 2011 14:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Jason Bourne) Comments That's it... http://www.osnews.com/thread?474712 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474712 Well, despite my mental effort, my computer has never been a smartphone. Can't really get used to GNOME Shell. I have too options now, either abandon Fedora and use Ubuntu 11.04 in Classic Mode, or keep Fedora and embrace KDE. But what's the point in embracing KDE when I need 90% of GNOME in order to use my favourite GTK applications?

It happens just now that Linux Mint 11 is released...Edited 2011-05-26 15:06 UTC Thu, 26 May 2011 14:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Jason Bourne) Comments RE: That's it... http://www.osnews.com/thread?474727 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474727 So why not use gnome3 fall back mode in Fedora? Its the same as Ubuntu classic mode and can be forced from system settings Thu, 26 May 2011 17:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jarkkot) Comments RE[2]: That's it... http://www.osnews.com/thread?474738 http://www.osnews.com/thread?474738 My friend... the GNOME 3 fallback mode is nothing comparable, flexible and adjustable as GNOME 2 was. I dare you living with fallback mode more than 1 week. Plus more annoying stuff: No themes? Do I still need to add 5 repositories to get my usual multimedia codecs, by hand? Sorry. The installation got even uglier in F15... so many mistranslated portuguese entries - and many not translated at all in Anaconda. Disappointment. Fedora 14 was stable for sure - but in F15 now, I managed even to break GNOME 3 ! Yes ! It wouldn't log on after switching to KDE a few sessions! Fedora will pay for this. This time they will pay hard. I'm really sorry. GNOME 3 is the end of the road for me, and it ended a 6 month relationship with Fedora and disonoured a couple of RedHat years I had back in 1999.

I am running Linux Mint 11 Live DVD. I am surprised it has all codecs support and sane default applications even for a Live DVD! It's sad that it can inherit Ubuntu upstream bugs, but I will cross my fingers on this one, knowing that they may be planning not to be based on Ubuntu any longer for the next release.

I can clearly see why Mint is running for the number one on the linux podium.Edited 2011-05-26 20:05 UTC Thu, 26 May 2011 19:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Jason Bourne) Comments