1. IE gets an upgrade. WP finally gets an HTML5 capable browser which is hardware accelerated.

2. Bing Scout looks like Google Places.

3. Bing Vision looks like Google Goggles.

4. Multi-tasking looks like the same thing in WebOS. That's probably the most obvious way to do multi-tasking, but it is a bit unclear how it will actually work (applications are paused when switching between them in the demo) especially when you have a lot of apps opened.

Which, if the descriptions are accurate, is actually better than what Android and iOS have to offer. Of course, Apple and Google aren't sitting still until autumn.

...but fully integrated into the operating system.

Where's OpenGL?

How about books at friends? CDs in a store?

Not comparable. OpenGL is available virtually anywhere, except such "walled gardens" who don't allow any competing libraries to be present (for example with restricting access to NDK how MS does in this case).

However some tried to implement XNA to other platforms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_XNA#Alternative_implementati...

Not comparable. OpenGL is available virtually anywhere, except such "walled gardens" who don't allow any competing libraries to be present (for example with restricting access to NDK how MS does in this case).

However some tried to implement XNA to other platforms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_XNA#Alternative_implementati...

Someone tried to port DirectX for MacOS or Linux? Or may be it's available on several mobile OSes too?-) The fact that desktop games mostly run on Windows and use DirectX doesn't make it better. Feature wise OpenGL is on par with it.

OpenGL you have everywhere else, plus on Windows.

Someone tried to port DirectX for MacOS or Linux? Or may be it's available on several mobile OSes too?-) The fact that desktop games mostly run on Windows and use DirectX doesn't make it better. Feature wise OpenGL is on par with it.

So boy the WP7.0 must be junk. Looking forward to hearing the people scream who cannot upgrade.

That's not a port, rather a wrapper over OpenGL which implements some of the DirectX functionality. And it doesn't implement the most up to date DirectX api anyhow.

Still the same combination of extra large fonts with extra small ones. Nothing in the comfortable range. You can't read title, it does not fit the screen, and you can't read text, it requires glasses.

"Still the same combination of extra large fonts with extra small ones. Nothing in the comfortable range. You can't read title, it does not fit the screen, and you can't read text, it requires glasses.

Its inevitable, I own a Droid X, but I gotta tell you, my old ladys focus looks, and performs very nicely. Androids "stutter" always drives me up the wall, but WP7 seems to flow like melted butter all the time. I like both, but from a visual standpoint, it just feels better.

Right, for example iOS.

Gamers basically use what's available, and Microsoft tries to monopolize the market. As they always did. There is no other reasons why they don't release NDK for WPx.

To the four Windows Phone fanboys who rated me down, consider this: The market cannot support iOS, Android, Blackberry OS, Windows Phone 7, and WebOS for long. Pick who dies first, second, and third. I'm curious.

Looking forward to more MS bashing from Apple and Google fanboys.

Please, don't blame Microsoft because your vision sucks royally.

Exactly!

On the desktop world, OpenGL 4.0 is still lacking some features from DirectX 11.

Plus not all DirectX 11 cards have an OpenGL 4.x driver, or even OpenGL 3.x (Intel).

Opengl is loved by video card makers for 1 particular reason. Opengl supports video makers doing custom extensions. All the Direct X 11 features exist in them.

If it wasn't for the iPhone and its bet on OpenGL, the API would have died already.

Fortunately due to the mobile games market fostered by the iPhone, OpenGL ES is now becoming a choice for many studios. But again, just because that is the API that is available. If it would be PHIGS, they would use it as well.

The current Xbox UI - same thing. So much more coherent and easier to use than the Wii and esp. the PS3 (which is a UI nightmare).

To the four Windows Phone fanboys who rated me down, consider this: The market cannot support iOS, Android, Blackberry OS, Windows Phone 7, and WebOS for long. Pick who dies first, second, and third. I'm curious.

No you don't.

If you are referring to mobiles then yes, but it is not OpenGL rather OpenGL ES, which is not exactly the same.

If you are referencing to game consoles, most have OpenGL like APIs but they are not exactly OpenGL.

I only code for OpenGL but in terms of developer support OpenGL is no match for DirectX.

Professional game studios don't care about APIs, they are about support. Porting is an issue handled by subcontractors.

And in the support league OpenGL cannot match DirectX.

- Hardware features are done in sync with DirectX development;
- There is no proper SDK;
- Graphic analysis tools are a joke compared with what is available for DirectX, except for gDebugger, which is actually quite good.

Have any of you went to a Games Developer Conference? The amount of OpenGL related talks is minimal when compared with DirectX. There is usually a Microsoft booth to handle DirectX related issues, but none for OpenGL.

If it wasn't for the iPhone and its bet on OpenGL, the API would have died already.

Fortunately due to the mobile games market fostered by the iPhone, OpenGL ES is now becoming a choice for many studios. But again, just because that is the API that is available. If it would be PHIGS, they would use it as well.

Exactly!

On the desktop world, OpenGL 4.0 is still lacking some features from DirectX 11.

Plus not all DirectX 11 cards have an OpenGL 4.x driver, or even OpenGL 3.x (Intel).

"Looking forward to more MS bashing from Apple and Google fanboys.

That's the most rational point of view. But the guy who was bashing DirectX is in fact a freetard [...]

If it wasn't for the iPhone and its bet on OpenGL, the API would have died already.

"
Opengl is loved by video card makers for 1 particular reason. Opengl supports video makers doing custom extensions. All the Direct X 11 features exist in them.

Where's OpenGL?

In the same place as DirectX and XNA are on iOS and Android.

Have more questions?

Difference here. Direct X provides software emulation for all features listed included.

Opengl on the other hand. If there is not real hardware for the feature it can be missing.

Two different beasts. Also something people are not aware is like Intel cards. The opengl version on windows provided is lower than the opengl version on Linux and Apple.

Feature wise Opengl with maker extensions has the features first. Always has.

Simple point of the matter. This is historic facts. Opengl failure on Windows can be placed squarely at MS feet.

Lets ditch opengl. MS proposed that with Vista. The result was ATI and Nvidia made it blunt. Remove Opengl no drivers at all. Because they cannot test any new experimental features due to the way direct x is designed.