I was under the impression that luzsec quit because the personal details of their members was posted on the tubes last night?

Btw Thom, any particular reason why you decided the story I submitted about the FTC launching an antitrust investigation against Google was not news worthy? I saw it was removed from the queue, but never posted.

What gives these people the self proclaimed right to use guerilla tactics in preventing a law from beeing passed in a state by a democratic assembly in wich it is unlikely that most of these felons does not even live in?

I noticed one of the police officers used 12345 as a password. Haven't tehy heard of security?

Anyways, I'm not really sure yet if democracy is the way to go.

but there's no denying they were entertaining.

One can only hope they end up in some hellhole like guantanamo, nameless and forgotten for a decade or two. If not for their actions, then for their hubris.

I think it's time for government to stop stupidity and move toward Linux Operating System, and they won't regret it.

It's just plain criminal, and these guys should be made to pick up the soap in Bubba's shower every night.

That's truly bizarre. Have you ever even been to the USA?

They live in violation of our law. By definition - that's why they are "illegal". The solution is to obtain a green card and become a legal immigrant by "living under our law".

Seriously, which country in the world do you propose would allow me to fly in for an afternoon and vote in their elections. Why would they want to permit that?

democracy is not about voting.

The green card should be given to whoever requests it and people should be given all the rights to education, information and access to resources that democracy entails. If you vote to deny access to democracy for a part of the people then you vote against democracy.
If you want to select and cherry pick your immigrants and call those you didn't pick illegals, then you don't have democracy. The illegals are still people and under a democracy they don't exist since the people has the power.

FYI: The United States of America is a Republic and not a Democracy.

The US and the State of Arizona provide protections to all people including illegal immigrants. In fact, we provide more protections than most countries.

Arizona is a major traffic path for people entering the US illegally. This has put enormous strain on our State's resources (other States do not have this strain) that the federal government is not willing to cover. The citizens are now enacting laws to discourage illegal immigrants from entering and staying by taking away free services and enabling local law enforcement to supplement the federal law enforcement. These laws are meant to relieve the burden on the State, nothing more.

Unfortunately, it is not in the federal government's interest to put up more than a token effort in stopping illegal immigration. There are powerful lobbing forces (farmers are the ones that come to mind first, but there are others) that do not want illegals to leave because they can be paid lower than legal wages under the table. I think you find this in many countries with high labor costs.

I'm asking you to specify solutions to the numerous problems that the open borders that you are advocating caused in the USA in the early 20th century. "Don't brag about democracy" isn't even on the same topic.

Until you can specify how to resolve those very serious issues, your proposals are unlikely to be taken seriously by anyone even vaguely familiar with American immigration reform.

And your effort to replace the accepted definition of democracy with a "let illegal immigrants vote!" requirement is... Well, as I said before, truly bizarre.

Green card holders do not vote in the USA, despite being legal residents. They abide by the laws, pay the same taxes, but no voting rights. Is this different in other countries?

It is not entirely unwarranted to assume that law enforcement may be closing in on them, and that as such, they simply have to disappear for a while.

While I don't have any problem with the countries immigration laws, I do admit to being troubled by the one in Arizona that requires them to have papers at all times. Even though i can see the logical reasoning behind it, the law will forever be linked in my mind to the way Germany required Jews to carry id. At the time, Jews were blamed by common society for many of the problems of the day, just like immigrants are now. I realize that the current government would never go on to do what the Nazis did, but for me the situations are already too similar to feel comfortable with.

Listen: I am not advocating anything. I have no proposals.

Frankly if national security experts cannot stand up against teenagers with aspergers then something is wrong with the team of experts.