OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/25037/Adobe_s_64_Bit_Flash_11_for_Linux_Too Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 22 May 2013 11:20:25 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com adobe released flash11 beta month ago http://www.osnews.com/thread?483837 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483837 old news repost, Flash Player 64bit for Linux released 13 jul.
http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2011/07/adobe-air-3-and-flash-pl... Fri, 05 Aug 2011 17:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ulrus) Comments RE: adobe released flash11 beta month ago http://www.osnews.com/thread?483878 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483878 Yeah, and the idiots still can't figure out how to use DRI and complain how it is technically not possible to accelerate graphics on the LINUX side.

Meanwhile every program I have is DRI accelerated with the latest 7.11 Mesa libs.

I want Flash to go away. Even better take Adobe with it.

They make crap and blow up more browser pages than any single plugin on the internet that Apple goes to great lengths to also avoid Adobe products.

Go go HTML 5 for Video and Audio on the net!

-Hack Fri, 05 Aug 2011 22:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hackus) Comments Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?483890 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483890 I really do hope they fix the bugs that Flash has with Lion - play a video using Flash an on the rare occasion the whole screen freezes yet you can move the cursor around (but can't click on anything) thus forcing one to do a hard reset. It really does piss me off give that Adobe has had a good amount of time to prepare for this - Apple made it known over a year ago regarding the new Webkit2 structure, several betas have been issued and an RTM that sat there for 3 weeks where Adobe could have focused all resources solely on that one issue as to make it in time.

I really do wish that maybe an alternative company can rise to replace Adobe because right now their products are completely and utterly shit - their latest rip off being CS5.5 and ceasing to support CS5 customers. In all due respects I've taken the jump and now using Pixelmator, OmniGraffle Pro, Hype and BBEdit - it may not have the Adobe pixie dust but at least they've been written from day one on Mac OS X. Sat, 06 Aug 2011 01:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?483896 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483896 My system has been getting really hot when I use flash on lion. I never had this problem in leopard. I skipped snow leopard, because leopard was working fine for me. Sat, 06 Aug 2011 01:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (broken_symlink) Comments RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?483901 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483901
My system has been getting really hot when I use flash on lion. I never had this problem in leopard. I skipped snow leopard, because leopard was working fine for me.


Interesting, have you run iStat Pro to see whether it is the GPU or CPU getting hot? it would be interesting to see what the hold up is.

What are your system specs? (model etc.) Sat, 06 Aug 2011 01:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?483903 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483903 It looks its the cpu. My system is a first gen solid body 15in. mbp. When I run anything with flash the cpu temp is between 160 (71) and 170 (76) degrees and the fans spin up. Without its around 155 (68).

All in all, I think I'm a little disappointed with lion. Leopard worked fine for me, I probably shouldn't have upgraded. Now that I see the future of os x I'm not so sure I'll be sticking with apple through the next os x release. Sat, 06 Aug 2011 02:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (broken_symlink) Comments RE[4]: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?483904 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483904
It looks its the cpu. My system is a first gen solid body 15in. mbp. When I run anything with flash the cpu temp is between 160 (71) and 170 (76) degrees and the fans spin up. Without its around 155 (68).

All in all, I think I'm a little disappointed with lion. Leopard worked fine for me, I probably shouldn't have upgraded. Now that I see the future of os x I'm not so sure I'll be sticking with apple through the next os x release.


Instead of geting emotional about the situation how about reading blogs about the situation:

http://obamapacman.com/2011/07/adobe-caught-with-pants-down-5-month...

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/905/cpsid_90508.html#main_Flash_Player

And there are many more out there. Adobe has already made it clear on their website that they know Flash utilises more CPU under Lion than Snow Leopard. It is NOT a Lion fault, it is a fault with Flash.

Btw, if you're sitting at 68 Degrees Celsisus then there is definately something wrong with your setup because even my old 13.3inch 2.53Ghz Core 2 would be sitting at around 40-50 Degrees Celsius sitting idle.Edited 2011-08-06 02:21 UTC Sat, 06 Aug 2011 02:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?483913 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483913
I really do hope they fix the bugs that Flash has with Lion - play a video using Flash an on the rare occasion the whole screen freezes yet you can move the cursor around (but can't click on anything) thus forcing one to do a hard reset.

I'd argue that if a random process running in user mode manages to crash the system this way (or if Flash needs more than normal user mode privileges to do its job), something's deeply wrong with the OSX graphics stack (or at least the version supplied in Lion). I'm used to see this kind of crashes on Linux distros, not on "professional" OSs that are sold in bundle with hardware for a hefty price.Edited 2011-08-06 08:30 UTC Sat, 06 Aug 2011 08:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Neolander) Comments RE[5]: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?483923 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483923 What really annoys me is that flash uses so much cpu on osx compared to windows or even linux (with vdpau). I'm not sure that this particular problem can be attributed to adobe though.

H264 videos on osx (the ones that VDA deems acceptable) all seem to use more cpu than DXVA or VDPAU. Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (_txf_) Comments RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?483924 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483924

I'd argue that if a random process running in user mode manages to crash the system this way (or if Flash needs more than normal user mode privileges to do its job), something's deeply wrong with the OSX graphics stack (or at least the version supplied in Lion). I'm used to see this kind of crashes on Linux distros, not on "professional" OSs that are sold in bundle with hardware for a hefty price.


Actually Lion is quite heavily sandboxed. Even video playback is heavily sandboxed. I imagine that flash has been sandboxed in most browsers for quite a while. Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (_txf_) Comments RE[5]: CPU temp http://www.osnews.com/thread?483956 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483956 Agreed, at idle my CPU is generally around 40, video playing around 50-60. A modern processor probably shouldn't be running that hot unless it's under load of you're in a really warm environment. Sat, 06 Aug 2011 20:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jessesmith) Comments RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?483971 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483971
What really annoys me is that flash uses so much cpu on osx compared to windows or even linux (with vdpau). I'm not sure that this particular problem can be attributed to adobe though.

H264 videos on osx (the ones that VDA deems acceptable) all seem to use more cpu than DXVA or VDPAU.


For me Snow Leopard and 10.3 enabled me to play YouTube videos with around 5% CPU utilisation but in all honesty that was the only thing I used it for but I've since removed it and started using ClickToPlugin and ClickToFlash which pretty much allows me not to have Flash installed. I'd venture to argue that the problem with Flash is years of legacy and an unwillingness to do something about the underling problems with it - at the end of the day Lightspark (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/lightspark) has made great progress which tells me the underlying concept of Flash isn't the problem but the implementation. At the end of the day if a one man bad (with a few helpers) can produce a pretty good partial replacement for Flash then I expect a lot better from professional programmers whose bread and butter is programming and get paid for their craft. Sat, 06 Aug 2011 23:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?483973 http://www.osnews.com/thread?483973
I'd argue that if a random process running in user mode manages to crash the system this way (or if Flash needs more than normal user mode privileges to do its job), something's deeply wrong with the OSX graphics stack (or at least the version supplied in Lion). I'm used to see this kind of crashes on Linux distros, not on "professional" OSs that are sold in bundle with hardware for a hefty price.


The system obviously hasn't crashed if I am able to move the cursor around and people with similar problems can ssh - the issue is related to the application itself. If something runs in user space and affects something else that runs in user space then the issue is with the application going rogue and the vendor failing to fix it. Sun, 07 Aug 2011 00:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?484004 http://www.osnews.com/thread?484004 Something running in user space being able to affect something else that runs in a separate user space process is a failure of OS security, more specifically process sandboxing, IMO.

When my mail client crashes, I don't have to reboot my PC because the UI has basically turned unresponsive, only leaving me with a useless mouse pointer floating around. Why should it be different with Flash ? Sun, 07 Aug 2011 14:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Neolander) Comments RE[5]: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?484070 http://www.osnews.com/thread?484070 no, i'ts a Lion fault. Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (d-signet) Comments RE[4]: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?484086 http://www.osnews.com/thread?484086 Flash has two basic features: 1) It can run fullscreen, hogging all input, and 2) it can hang. At that point, the user won't be able to regain control of the console without some equivalent of the Windows three finger salute, or a remote login. Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (No it isnt) Comments RE[5]: Comment by kaiwai http://www.osnews.com/thread?484087 http://www.osnews.com/thread?484087 But OSX has such a thing as system-wide keyboard shortcuts that applications shouldn't be able to disable, like the Exposé button and a Win9x-ish "kill app" three finger shortcut. I'm sure kawai is knowledgeable enough about OSX to remember about both. Yet he still had to do a hard reset. Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Neolander) Comments Hooray! http://www.osnews.com/thread?484091 http://www.osnews.com/thread?484091 Flash released simultaneously on Linux...

...but it will still be horrendously slow to the point of being useless. Mon, 08 Aug 2011 13:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sorpigal) Comments